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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 31, 2014 14:58:38 GMT -6
OK. I PM'd you, but you said you would rather do it publicly.
You say you don't have a personal problem with me? Well, buddy, you do now after calling me that. I don't give a FLYING SHIT which converter you use. You and Ethan don't put money in my pocket, so your opinion is just that - opinion. You can disagree with anyone and ANYTHING on this board, just don't be an asshole about it. YOU are being an asshole. I don't have a problem with ANYONE ELSE except YOU. If I somehow offended your sensibilities when I locked that thread, I am profusely sorry. It's hard to please everyone all the time. All this shit about me "twisting an argument" - son, I don't have time to play mind fucks like that. So, either get over it, or I'll be glad to delete your account for you.
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Post by jazznoise on Mar 31, 2014 15:12:06 GMT -6
My opinion is only opinion because I don't pay you? What?
Look, do you not see any merit to what I'm trying to say here? You're not going to have anyone here that's much good to anyone if you keep stomping down opinions you don't like. If someone can actually show you something and you won't even try it, and when you get called out for that when you're still claiming to be in the right, get mad and shut the conversation down then you're probably being the asshole.
By all means don't care about me or what I use. I'm not a televangalist and I'm no co-worker or client of yours. I'm not here to preach and my work doesn't affect yours. But if you're not willing to try out other people's perspectives, then why bother even asking about it? So everyone can pat you on the back for having the right opinion in the first place? What's to be learnt from that?
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 31, 2014 15:14:11 GMT -6
If you want to focus on the name calling, great. But you're not dealing with my point so I'm going back to that. Ethan presented a case in the last thread and was met with total derision. Like the 'bias' in the URL of the test? I stepped in to defend the argument partially - referencing Svarts point that bad board designs often contribute more than the chips themselves - and said that while a few cheap bits of kit like Mboxes and Laptop soundcards suffer with noise and groundloops, most DAC's are perfectly good and have no audible difference (the one case I remember sounding noticeably bad was a Digi 192 that died a few weeks later). Total derision?? You need to re-read that thread. YOU caused it to spiral. My interaction with Ethan was nothing but professional. YOU are the one that baited. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 31, 2014 15:17:03 GMT -6
My opinion is only opinion because I don't pay you? What? Look, do you not see any merit to what I'm trying to say here? You're not going to have anyone here that's much good to anyone if you keep stomping down opinions you don't like. If someone can actually show you something and you won't even try it, and when you get called out for that when you're still claiming to be in the right, get mad and shut the conversation down then you're probably being the asshole. By all means don't care about me or what I use. I'm not a televangalist and I'm no co-worker or client of yours. I'm not here to preach and my work doesn't affect yours. But if you're not willing to try out other people's perspectives, then why bother even asking about it? So everyone can pat you on the back for having the right opinion in the first place? What's to be learnt from that? Dude - you are unbelievable. TOTALLY putting words in my mouth. I disagree with one freaking thing you say and now I'm censoring the entire board. Believe me, there's plenty here I don't agree with and I've never opened my mouth. I shut down one thread because it was getting out of hand. If you can't handle that, then LEAVE. |
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Post by jazznoise on Mar 31, 2014 15:30:43 GMT -6
Also you criticized a test you didn't look at because you didn't like the results! Let's not do the backwards-forwards thingy. I reply to your posts as you post them, it's more cogent that way.
We had this before where you locked a thread and made a new "rules" thread, from which you subsequently deleted all the posts, and unlocked the thread at the request of a few of us. I'm not saying you're authoritarian, but you've gotta be able to give us good as you'll take if there's to be any spirit of fairness.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 31, 2014 15:39:06 GMT -6
So, you're going to tell me how to run my forum? What an ego. Out of 30,000 posts, I've locked two threads...and I'm authoritarian. It's really simple. If you are oppressed, I invite you to leave. It might be the best thing after all that has happened.
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Post by drbill on Mar 31, 2014 15:42:56 GMT -6
Regarding multichannel high end converters: are there some specifically preferred for tracking - mixing - summing ( digi or analog ) among everybody here, and why ? Yeah. 192's. Why? Cause they interface with PTHD and later with ease, are priced fairly, and somehow....everyone ended up using them. Making them.....<gasp>.....a standard. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 31, 2014 15:45:42 GMT -6
Thank you, Drbill. This is insane.
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Post by drbill on Mar 31, 2014 15:52:36 GMT -6
No prob. For what it's worth.... If name-calling is going to be forbidden, I think it should apply to all, and not be tolerated, with immediate moderation and deletion of offensive phrases as found. Otherwise, pretty much anything is good to go because everyone has different tolerances for various "fun little phrases" we call each other. I seem to recall being called an asshole....  I found it offensive...well,,,,,kind of...  |
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Post by jazznoise on Mar 31, 2014 16:01:04 GMT -6
So, you're going to tell me how to run my forum? What an ego. Out of 30,000 posts, I've locked two threads...and I'm authoritarian. It's really simple. If you are oppressed, I invite you to leave. It might be the best thing after all that has happened. Look, you're seriously not interested in what I have to say - whether that's because you're upset or because you think your rules are always the best rules - so I'm going to stop trying here. But Ethan isn't coming back, and if Ethan isn't posting here that means quiet a few other acoustics-heads who post online wont either. Regardless of anything else, you can't deny that the entire forum has lost a well of information because you decided to have a hissy fit. I'm not just replying to you in the post of fitting in a few more insults, I'm trying to state a case. If you want to hear your perfect, pick up a Bruno Mars album. I'm willing to acknowledge that running a forum is a hard job and often thankless, and I've been first to praise you for the initiative, but you can't expect to come out on top all the time. And don't be so melodramatic. Couples have divorced over less, but this is an internet argument, not civil war. |
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Post by jazznoise on Mar 31, 2014 16:06:54 GMT -6
No prob. For what it's worth.... If name-calling is going to be forbidden, I think it should apply to all, and not be tolerated, with immediate moderation and deletion of offensive phrases as found. Otherwise, pretty much anything is good to go because everyone has different tolerances for various "fun little phrases" we call each other. I seem to recall being called an asshole.... I found it offensive...well,,,,,kind of... I don't recall a single friend in my life who didn't call me every name under the sun in the course of a day. On the internet it's beyond even par for course, it's downright normal. Getting upset by it is silly because the insults reflect on abstract internet avatars. They're only personal when you take them that way. I'm sorry if I went a word too far, for the record. Cunt, on reflection, probably undergoes more of a seachange than I'd thought. Calling someone here a 'mad cunt' is actually a good thing. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 31, 2014 16:09:47 GMT -6
You mean this? www.realgearonline.com/post/15929 ? I would say I only indirectly called you an asshole.  We are all capable of it. Me included. Obviously, language is not a problem for me, although the C word is particularly offensive...I just ask people to have some damn common sense. Is it common sense to come on to someone's forum and call them that? Really? Try that over at Gearslutz. I mean, I'm not being irrational here... |
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 31, 2014 16:11:55 GMT -6
OK - I'm giving Jazznoise what he wants. He's gone.
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Post by svart on Mar 31, 2014 16:22:01 GMT -6
That's a shame. I was hoping you guys would just agree to disagree and it wouldn't come this.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 31, 2014 17:01:56 GMT -6
I feel bad...I don't want to ban anyone. This is the second ban. I don't have any problem welcoming him back if he wants to reach out to me. info@realgeaonline.com . But let me say this: I will not be disrespected on my own board. You think that shit would fly anywhere else? Everyone on here deserves respect and that fact goes for the admin and the moderators too. Honestly, I let this go on for too long. He had his say...It won't be deleted. Make your own judgements and do what you gotta do.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 31, 2014 17:05:01 GMT -6
tonycamphd : thanks for the input and links (and sorry for rehashing, it's not that I don't like google, I just sometimes prefer chatting on forums  So, this is why I didn't want to rehash this subject. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 31, 2014 17:49:44 GMT -6
I've decided not to ban him. If he wants to come back, that's fine. If not, that's fine too.
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Post by nico on Mar 31, 2014 17:57:43 GMT -6
damned me, if I had known a simple talk between audio & music minded guys about converters would lead up to this, not once but twice, I would have just done something else! I pull my hat for DrBill, who in the middle of all this still managed to see my little question and answer it, while totally ignoring the whizzing bullets flying around mista cool cat And yes, agreed about the 192s....but that was already some years back. I wonder what now with the new digi interfaces, PTHD Native, if they are still the goto setup, or if with the non-digi hardware option to run Protools, which are the new contenders in the ring? note to self: talk about converters online is like playing with matches...oops regards, Nico |
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 31, 2014 18:00:17 GMT -6
Apparently so...It's like a freaking religion to some.
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Post by wiz on Mar 31, 2014 18:05:38 GMT -6
I haven't been contributing much, but I have been swinging by and reading.
Its a shame to see this happen here.
I will say this, language like that, will stop me coming by. Its just not needed.
cheeres
Wiz
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Post by RicFoxx on Mar 31, 2014 18:33:15 GMT -6
WTF...it's easy to call someone a Obstinate C--t on the internet??
Im going to act like Im acceptive of every idea until my ego gets hurt and then Im going to come in your house and piss and shit all over it and use some fancy words to make you feel stupid and below me!!! IM RIGHT YOUR WRONG!!
Also, I have no problem with Ethan Winer but believe me when I say that his business comes first and there is a reason why he spends his time and lurking audio forums on the net.
This is a f-ing audio gear site...the its all about the talent or put 1000 broadband absorber panels up(really, no shit sherlock) comments that plague other sites is BS. It seems to me that John is building a site where professionals come to talk about gear without that rhetoric BS. Some are professional engineers, some are singer song writers, etc...
Some people just come off as wanting to be asses...maybe they were bullied or something I dont know but just stop that shit and be cool!
John has one rule...dont be an asshole. Well that and use some common sense to obvious stuff. If someone called me that in my house Id kick his ass out of my house and tell him not to come back till he comes back with a different attitude.
This is a cool place and I like seeing it grow...
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Post by tonycamphd on Mar 31, 2014 18:42:04 GMT -6
I haven't been contributing much, but I have been swinging by and reading. Its a shame to see this happen here. I will say this, language like that, will stop me coming by. Its just not needed. cheeres Wiz hi Wiz, your appearances are few and far between lately, i often wonder how you're doing with the shoulder and all? RGO is a great and friendly place, it is just having a bad couple days, we'll get back on track here if everyone just chills and realizes we're supposed to be helping each other out. Ironically, I believe thats what nico had in mind. And lets not forget, John Kennedy runs this place out of his own pocket at a LO$$, so the very least we can do, is respect the guy in public, if u have a grievance with him, PM him. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 31, 2014 18:45:59 GMT -6
For real, wiz Where you been? Come around more often...Look at the fun you've missed |
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Post by drbill on Mar 31, 2014 19:20:32 GMT -6
John has one rule...dont be an asshole. I keep hearing that. The problem is judging when someone is an asshole and when they aren't. The correct interpretation should be : "don't be an asshole in John's book". The hard part is knowing the guy well enough to comply. Some asshattery will be acceptable to John, and some won't. Do you know which is which? I obviously don't. Or at least I didn't. Probably still don't. BTW, I agree with the O.C. being totally out of line, but you know what? There are guys that talk like that. Everyday. And for them, it's not so much of a reach to hit that level. For some saying "hey bud, don't be such a p*ssy" is a fun chiding comment with a big smile attached. And for others? Them's fighting words. It's not easy, and anything short of "don't call anyone a name" (which is already broken by saying "don't be an asshole" - or "you're acting like an asshole") it's going to be hard, and this problem will arise again. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. Just some rambling thoughts.... |
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 31, 2014 19:28:15 GMT -6
Yes, I will be the judge of whether you're being an asshole or not. You will just have to deal with that.
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We are all capable of it. Me included. Obviously, language is not a problem for me, although the C word is particularly offensive...I just ask people to have some damn common sense. Is it common sense to come on to someone's forum and call them that? Really? Try that over at Gearslutz. I mean, I'm not being irrational here...
