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Post by chessparov on Apr 4, 2020 19:35:39 GMT -6
Hey guys, anybody else wonder (a lot) like me, why California overall "numbers-wise", is doing so much better than New York?
I'm curious what you guys think. I'm not "married" to one ideology necessarily BTW.
Looking forward to your thoughts, including possible "Herd Effect".
I have some thoughts, from the early trenches, when I was teaching 120+ elementary students/week.
Chris
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Post by Tbone81 on Apr 4, 2020 19:58:46 GMT -6
This is 100% speculation but weather could play a big part. Microbes thrive in different environments, some like it cold (like influenza). I don't know what the weather in CA is like compared to NY at this moment but its certainly possible that its having an effect.
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Post by chessparov on Apr 4, 2020 20:04:31 GMT -6
Thanks! I'm wondering also if Californians, might have been hit with a milder strain?
Also because we're more "Suburbia", compared to Manhattan, for example.
Also less public transit, etc.
Chris
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Post by svart on Apr 4, 2020 20:46:58 GMT -6
People in NYC and surrounding burroughs are living in much higher density, take a lot more mass transit, etc.
I don't think there's any real mystery.
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Post by ragan on Apr 4, 2020 21:56:00 GMT -6
Yeah I don't see why it wouldn't be the obvious points. NY has density and a delay (compared to CA) in implementing any social distancing directives working against it.
Not too hard to see why enormous amounts of human contact during an outbreak of a highly infectious disease would lead to some bad stuff. NY is certainly in the trenches right now. My brother-in-law has lived in NYC for 20 years and hopped a plane out here (to Washington state) just before shit hit the fan. I think that is proving to have been the right call.
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Post by chessparov on Apr 4, 2020 22:54:48 GMT -6
Good points. I'm beginning to think the warmer California climate, was a major factor too...
Chris
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Post by johneppstein on Apr 4, 2020 23:26:17 GMT -6
Hey guys, anybody else wonder (a lot) like me, why California overall "numbers-wise", is doing so much better than New York? I'm curious what you guys think. I'm not "married" to one ideology necessarily BTW. Looking forward to your thoughts, including possible "Herd Effect". I have some thoughts, from the early trenches, when I was teaching 120+ elementary students/week. Chris It's pretty much obvious - pretty much everybody out here at "ground zero" (where the virus first landed) knows why.
The Bay Area started shelter at home before any other state (or area) in the union and have done a pretty darn good job of implementing it.
(I happen to live in Fairfield, home of Travis Air Force base, where they brought the first people taken off that first cruise ship. Everybody was like "Why do they have to bring them HERE, to OUR town", but that also was pretty obvious if you think about it - proximity to San Francisco, which Trump hates. Which is kinda ironic, given tha Fairfield is largely blue collar and military and has a greater than usual percentage of Republicans than most places in Northern Cal.)
So anyway, no "theorizing" is really required, just observation and common sense.
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Post by chessparov on Apr 4, 2020 23:32:33 GMT -6
OK. Thanks guys!
Chris
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Post by johneppstein on Apr 4, 2020 23:37:06 GMT -6
This is 100% speculation but weather could play a big part. Microbes thrive in different environments, some like it cold (like influenza). I don't know what the weather in CA is like compared to NY at this moment but its certainly possible that its having an effect. Microbes are bacteria. This is a virus. Influenza ia a virus, too.
I wish people would start getting the distinction right - you don't approach bacterial and viral infections the same way.
Weather? I just checked - it's about the same in NYC and Fairfield at the moment. We're about 5 degrees warmer at the moment, but closer to the Bay it's cooler (I'm about an hour north northeast of SF.). Humidity within 2%.
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Post by chessparov on Apr 5, 2020 0:41:32 GMT -6
IMHO John, which could well be partly due to no small amount of ignorance on my part... There seems to be some speculation on warmer
weather's effect, that it tends to slow down transmission.
Chris
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Post by Tbone81 on Apr 5, 2020 10:02:27 GMT -6
This is 100% speculation but weather could play a big part. Microbes thrive in different environments, some like it cold (like influenza). I don't know what the weather in CA is like compared to NY at this moment but its certainly possible that its having an effect. Microbes are bacteria. This is a virus. Influenza ia a virus, too.
I wish people would start getting the distinction right - you don't approach bacterial and viral inferctions the same way.
Weather? I just checked - it's about the same in NYC and Fairfield at the moment. We're about 5 degrees warmer at the moment, but closer to the Bay it's cooler (I'm about an hour north northeast of SF.). Humidity within 2%.
Jesus Christ, get over yourself. Viruses aren't microbes? Maybe you have some super technical description that I'm unaware of but the term is used regularly, in a general sense if not literal sense, to represent all kind of micro organisms including Prions, Fungi, Bacteria, Viruses, Protozoa etc. BTW what is an "inferctions"? I wish people would get their grammar right. |
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Post by yotonic on Apr 5, 2020 11:25:49 GMT -6
California may not be doing better. They have a fraction of the tests done versus New York and their Governor says they can't get any. Then of course there is the density factor, people are elbow to elbow in NY.
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Post by johneppstein on Apr 5, 2020 12:01:48 GMT -6
Microbes are bacteria. This is a virus. Influenza ia a virus, too.
I wish people would start getting the distinction right - you don't approach bacterial and viral inferctions the same way.
Weather? I just checked - it's about the same in NYC and Fairfield at the moment. We're about 5 degrees warmer at the moment, but closer to the Bay it's cooler (I'm about an hour north northeast of SF.). Humidity within 2%.
Jesus Christ, get over yourself. Viruses aren't microbes? Maybe you have some super technical description that I'm unaware of but the term is used regularly, in a general sense if not literal sense, to represent all kind of micro organisms including Prions, Fungi, Bacteria, Viruses, Protozoa etc. BTW what is an "inferctions"? I wish people would get their grammar right. First, "Inferctions" is a typo. Obviously.
Second, virii are NOT 'microbes". Microbes are unicellular (but sometimes living in colonies) microscopic (living) organisms. A virus is neither an organism, nor is it (technically) alive, as it cannot reproduce by itself, which is a key part of the definition of being alive.
I really hate it when people misuse technical terminology in an effort to appear smarter or more informed that they actually are, especially concerning, but not limited to, life or death situations.
As to my typos, I have never pretended to be a good, or even decent typist. I typically spend nearly as much time proofreading my posts as I do making them, but sometimes something slips by, especially on this forum which does not highlight or underline spell check errors, and in particular late at night when I'm tired and likely have been drinking at bit.
Third, a spelling error is not an error in grammar.
From the Oxford Dictionary:
"Grammar - the whole system and structure of a language or of languages in general, usually taken as consisting of syntax and morphology (including inflections) and sometimes also phonology and semantics."
It says nothing about spelling errors.
BTW, not only are prions not microbes, they're not even virii - they're simply misfolded proteins. They contain no genetic material at all. None.
From Wikipedia: "Prions (/ˈpriːɒn/ ( listen), /ˈpraɪɒn/) are misfolded proteins with the ability to transmit their misfolded shape onto normal variants of the same protein."
So let's see - that's eight nine ten typos caught in this short post alone. Or did I miss any, Mister Proofreader?
And your "weather" hypothesis still doesn't hold water.
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Post by svart on Apr 5, 2020 12:31:44 GMT -6
California may not be doing better. They have a fraction of the tests done versus New York and their Governor says they can't get any. Then of course there is the density factor, people are elbow to elbow in NY. Also, it's almost impossible to find straight data from California. I'm sure they're holding the data closer to the chest for political reasons. |
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Post by christopher on Apr 5, 2020 12:34:57 GMT -6
If I already got it, then there’s no way it’s a weaker strain. I knew I’d be ok, but an older person or weaker person probably would kill them, at least put them near death for a long while. But I’m staying safe because I might not have had it, there’s a bad flu strain this year; (they test for flu, and if negative they tell you it’s a mutated flu strain). I got the flu shot, did not get tested. There’s bird flus, swine flus.. those still float around this state, if you have money and a good doc they might test for those I think. But usually only if you are admitted pretty sure.
Bottom line: I may have had it, and there’s NO WAY I want something like that again. I’ve had flu probably over 10 times in my life, (used to skip the shot and just get the flu every year) nothing came close to what I had this year.
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Post by Tbone81 on Apr 5, 2020 12:55:35 GMT -6
Jesus Christ, get over yourself. Viruses aren't microbes? Maybe you have some super technical description that I'm unaware of but the term is used regularly, in a general sense if not literal sense, to represent all kind of micro organisms including Prions, Fungi, Bacteria, Viruses, Protozoa etc. BTW what is an "inferctions"? I wish people would get their grammar right. First, "Inferctions" is a typo. Obviously.
Second, virii are NOT 'microbes". Microbes are unicellular (but sometimes living in colonies) microscopic (living) organisms. A virus is neither an organism, nor is it (technically) alive, as it cannot reproduce by itself, which is a key part of the definition of being alive.
I really hate it when people misuse technical terminology in an effort to appear smarter or more informed that they actually are, especially concerning, but not limited to, life or death situations.
As to my typos, I have never pretended to be a good, or even decent typist. I typically spend nearly as much time proofreading my posts as I do making them, but sometimes something slips by, especially on this forum which does not highlight or underline spell check errors, and in particular late at night when I'm tired and likely have been drinking at bit.
Third, a spelling error is not an error in grammar.
From the Oxford Dictionary:
"Grammar - the whole system and structure of a language or of languages in general, usually taken as consisting of syntax and morphology (including inflections) and sometimes also phonology and semantics."
It says nothing about spelling errors.
BTW, not only are prions not microbes, they're not even virii - they're simply misfolded proteins. They contain no genetic material at all. None.
From Wikipedia: "Prions (/ˈpriːɒn/ ( listen), /ˈpraɪɒn/) are misfolded proteins with the ability to transmit their misfolded shape onto normal variants of the same protein."
So let's see - that's eight nine ten typos caught in this short post alone. Or did I miss any, Mister Proofreader?
And your "weather" hypothesis still doesn't hold water.
mi·crobe /ˈmīˌkrōb/ Learn to pronounce noun noun: microbe; plural noun: microbes a microorganism, especially a bacterium causing disease or fermentation. That's a quote from an actual dictionary, not Wikipedia lol. You failed to recognize that I said "in general" the word microbe is used to denote all types of micro organisms. Try telling a MD that a virus isn't a microbe and he'll look at you like you're an ass hole (if not tell you straight up) . Heres a link with good descriptions of the generally held micro organisms: www.britannica.com/science/microbiology/Types-of-microorganismsAnd you don't think that spelling is part of the "system and structure of language" lol? Really? That's a stretch. Btw, it's clear from my post that my "weather theory" is pure speculation. You know, by when I said that "this is 100% speculation". I though we were alowed to speak casually on this forum, I guess not. It's funny that you of all people get your panies in a bunch when you get called out for your consistently condescending remarks. Seems you're the one that is constantly trying to come off as smarter than everyone. Your comments reek of arrogance and insecurity. I mean you're arguing about a technicality that makes no practical difference. So take some time and come up with a really witty and cutting reply. Maybe some more wiki quotes? |
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Post by johneppstein on Apr 5, 2020 15:57:13 GMT -6
First, "Inferctions" is a typo. Obviously.
Second, virii are NOT 'microbes". Microbes are unicellular (but sometimes living in colonies) microscopic (living) organisms. A virus is neither an organism, nor is it (technically) alive, as it cannot reproduce by itself, which is a key part of the definition of being alive.
I really hate it when people misuse technical terminology in an effort to appear smarter or more informed that they actually are, especially concerning, but not limited to, life or death situations.
As to my typos, I have never pretended to be a good, or even decent typist. I typically spend nearly as much time proofreading my posts as I do making them, but sometimes something slips by, especially on this forum which does not highlight or underline spell check errors, and in particular late at night when I'm tired and likely have been drinking at bit.
Third, a spelling error is not an error in grammar.
From the Oxford Dictionary:
"Grammar - the whole system and structure of a language or of languages in general, usually taken as consisting of syntax and morphology (including inflections) and sometimes also phonology and semantics."
It says nothing about spelling errors.
BTW, not only are prions not microbes, they're not even virii - they're simply misfolded proteins. They contain no genetic material at all. None.
From Wikipedia: "Prions (/ˈpriːɒn/ ( listen), /ˈpraɪɒn/) are misfolded proteins with the ability to transmit their misfolded shape onto normal variants of the same protein."
So let's see - that's eight nine ten typos caught in this short post alone. Or did I miss any, Mister Proofreader?
And your "weather" hypothesis still doesn't hold water.
mi·crobe /ˈmīˌkrōb/ Learn to pronounce noun noun: microbe; plural noun: microbes a microorganism, especially a bacterium causing disease or fermentation. That's a quote from an actual dictionary, not Wikipedia lol. You failed to recognize that I said "in general" the word microbe is used to denote all types of micro organisms. Try telling a MD that a virus isn't a microbe and he'll look at you like you're an ass hole (if not tell you straight up) . Heres a link with good descriptions of the generally held micro organisms: www.britannica.com/science/microbiology/Types-of-microorganismsAnd you don't think that spelling is part of the "system and structure of language" lol? Really? That's a stretch. Btw, it's clear from my post that my "weather theory" is pure speculation. You know, by when I said that "this is 100% speculation". I though we were alowed to speak casually on this forum, I guess not. It's funny that you of all people get your panies in a bunch when you get called out for your consistently condescending remarks. Seems you're the one that is constantly trying to come off as smarter than everyone. Your comments reek of arrogance and insecurity. I mean you're arguing about a technicality that makes no practical difference. So take some time and come up with a really witty and cutting reply. Maybe some more wiki quotes? Virii are not technically microorganisms. Virii are technically not even alive.
No, he won't, not if he's much of an MD.
Try telling him the a virus IS a microbe and he'll think you're an ignoramus trying to sound educated, but he won't say anything because it wouldn't be professional. And because his time is worth a lot more than correcting errors of laymen.
From your Brittanica article:
OK?
Virii are NOT "microorganisms" - they are by definition not living organisms because the ability to reproduce themselves is a defining characteristic of life. Virii are infectious but they are not alive. Ditto for prions. Ditto for the irritant toxin in poison ivy, for that matter.
Dig it, I have two research biochemists in my family. I grew up with this stuff. One of them, my (late) uncle Samual Eppstein, who was a research biochemist for Upjohn got me my first subscription to Scientific American for my 12th birthday (he was also an avid amateur astronomer, with a very nice reflector telescope.) I've made it a point to keep up with the sciences ever since. (Actually my dad started me off on the basics long before that.) If my life hadn't been hijacked by music I would almost certainly have been a scientist of one sort or another myself, either in some branch of biology or something related to physics. (One of my three majors in College was Botany. The others were English and Music.)
You are not going to "win" this one.
From you:
Really?
You're going to get into this with a former English major and son of an internationally recognized linguist?
No, spelling is not part of "grammar." That's why they are taught as separate subjects in school. Spelling is how words are written down and is the most fluid and unstandardized aspect of language. Grammar is concerned with how words are put together to form sentences and sentences to form paragraphs.
It's like the difference between a person who makes bricks out of clay and a person who designs and builds structures out of bricks. Or a person who grinds grain into flour and a person who operates a patisserie.
I really don't want to get into an extended argument about this with a layman. You've wasted wa-a-a-ay too much of my time already.
Just noticed this:
Weren't you the spelling police? Mind telling us what "panies" are?
My remarks are not condescending, or are not intended that way. However I'm not going to pretend to be dumber than I am just to indulge the insecurites of people like you, no matter how intentionally insulting those people might be.
I don't "try to come off as smarter than everyone". I am what I am. And I'm damn secure with it. If it bothers you that's your problem, not mine.
Your comments reveal your own insecurity. When somebody who knows more than me takes the trouble to correct my error I say "Thank You", I don't attack him.
And the technicality we're discussing for damn sure makes a HELL of a lot of practical difference if were talking about how to control a deadly pandemic.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2020 4:19:47 GMT -6
I saw this mini episode how things could get way worse in NY spreading in Public Housing.
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Post by Tbone81 on Apr 9, 2020 20:01:08 GMT -6
mi·crobe /ˈmīˌkrōb/ Learn to pronounce noun noun: microbe; plural noun: microbes a microorganism, especially a bacterium causing disease or fermentation. That's a quote from an actual dictionary, not Wikipedia lol. You failed to recognize that I said "in general" the word microbe is used to denote all types of micro organisms. Try telling a MD that a virus isn't a microbe and he'll look at you like you're an ass hole (if not tell you straight up) . Heres a link with good descriptions of the generally held micro organisms: www.britannica.com/science/microbiology/Types-of-microorganismsAnd you don't think that spelling is part of the "system and structure of language" lol? Really? That's a stretch. Btw, it's clear from my post that my "weather theory" is pure speculation. You know, by when I said that "this is 100% speculation". I though we were alowed to speak casually on this forum, I guess not. It's funny that you of all people get your panies in a bunch when you get called out for your consistently condescending remarks. Seems you're the one that is constantly trying to come off as smarter than everyone. Your comments reek of arrogance and insecurity. I mean you're arguing about a technicality that makes no practical difference. So take some time and come up with a really witty and cutting reply. Maybe some more wiki quotes? Virii are not technically microorganisms. Virii are technically not even alive.
No, he won't, not if he's much of an MD.
Try telling him the a virus IS a microbe and he'll think you're an ignoramus trying to sound educated, but he won't say anything because it wouldn't be professional. And because his time is worth a lot more than correcting errors of laymen.
From your Brittanica article:
OK?
Virii are NOT "microorganisms" - they are by definition not living organisms because the ability to reproduce themselves is a defining characteristic of life. Virii are infectious but they are not alive. Ditto for prions. Ditto for the irritant toxin in poison ivy, for that matter.
Dig it, I have two research biochemists in my family. I grew up with this stuff. One of them, my (late) uncle Samual Eppstein, who was a research biochemist for Upjohn got me my first subscription to Scientific American for my 12th birthday (he was also an avid amateur astronomer, with a very nice reflector telescope.) I've made it a point to keep up with the sciences ever since. (Actually my dad started me off on the basics long before that.) If my life hadn't been hijacked by music I would almost certainly have been a scientist of one sort or another myself, either in some branch of biology or something related to physics. (One of my three majors in College was Botany. The others were English and Music.)
You are not going to "win" this one.
From you:
Really?
You're going to get into this with a former English major and son of an internationally recognized linguist?
No, spelling is not part of "grammar." That's why they are taught as separate subjects in school. Spelling is how words are written down and is the most fluid and unstandardized aspect of language. Grammar is concerned with how words are put together to form sentences and sentences to form paragraphs.
It's like the difference between a person who makes bricks out of clay and a person who designs and builds structures out of bricks. Or a person who grinds grain into flour and a person who operates a patisserie.
I really don't want to get into an extended argument about this with a layman. You've wasted wa-a-a-ay too much of my time already.
Just noticed this:
Weren't you the spelling police? Mind telling us what "panies" are?
My remarks are not condescending, or are not intended that way. However I'm not going to pretend to be dumber than I am just to indulge the insecurites of people like you, no matter how intentionally insulting those people might be.
I don't "try to come off as smarter than everyone". I am what I am. And I'm damn secure with it. If it bothers you that's your problem, not mine.
Your comments reveal your own insecurity. When somebody who knows more than me takes the trouble to correct my error I say "Thank You", I don't attack him.
And the technicality we're discussing for damn sure makes a HELL of a lot of practical difference if were talking about how to control a deadly pandemic.
John, you’ve taught me a great lesson. You’ve taught me that I shouldn’t engage with people who are unable to have a nuanced conversation. Your arguments are pedantic and pointless. You go on and on, nit-picking details that make no practical difference, not even when “were talking about how to control a deadly pandemic.” If you really think that whether or not a virus can be classified as a microbe makes a difference to this pandemic…then…well, I guess I have no words for that. Really though, I think you’re smarter than that and just being argumentative. And yes, I get it, you have a really smart dad, and wanted to be a scientist when you were younger, had posters of Nikola Tesla on your wall, bla bla bla…it’s a cute story, but it would play better if you just stuck to the part where said (paraphrasing) that you’re a smart guy and keep up with the sciences. I mean I have a really smart dad too, he has a phd. I even have some smart uncles, crazy huh? You know why I never bring it up? Because it doesn’t matter. Its funny to me that you fail to realize that the only reason I called you out on your spelling is to make a point that anyone taking the time to write a condescending comment (one that implies I don’t know the difference between a bacteria and virus, don’t know that influenza is a virus, and don’t know that bacteria and viruses are treated differently) should at least take the time to get their own spelling right. I think you’re smart enough to know that in professional and academic circles viruses are often categorized as microbes. You can go on and on about how viruses aren’t living creatures, it doesn’t matter. Partly because accurately defining life is difficult to do. I won’t get into that here because its more of a philosophical and metaphysical argument, but you’re smart enough to know that…again, you’re just being argumentative. In case you don’t believe me, here’s a few links to prove my point: microbiologysociety.org/why-microbiology-matters/what-is-microbiology/viruses.htmlbio.libretexts.org/Bookshelves/Microbiology/Book%3A_Microbiology_(Boundless)/1%3A_Introduction_to_Microbiology/1.2%3A_Microbes_and_the_World/1.2A_Types_of_Microorganismswww.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/158179biology.stackexchange.com/questions/39479/why-are-viruses-considered-microbesYou’re comment about MD’s makes me think you don’t really have much interaction with them outside of getting treated as a patient. The MD’s I work with on a regular basis (cardiac surgeons, pulmonologists, neonatologists) are brilliant people. And they don’t waist their time arguing about trivial definitions. It might surprise you that in the medical field we speak rather plainly to each other. Sure we use technical terms, when appropriate, but we’re rather casual in our speech. And if anyone was ridiculous enough to go around correcting people on their usage of the word “microbes” they would be laughed at or insulted to their faces (particularly by RN’s, they can be a mean bunch). But you know what? Maybe I’m an idiot. How could I possibly know what I’m talking about? I never won any science fairs, my dad was too busy working three jobs to “get me started in science” and my family obviously wasn’t as smart as yours. All I have is a humble degree in life sciences, with a 4.0 gpa and piece of paper that says Magna Cum Laude, and 8 years of experience working in critical care. So what do I know? You’re right John, about everything. I apologize. Feel better now? Now that that’s done I have to get ready for work tomorrow. You see tomorrow I’ll be back at it, actually dealing with COVID. Not figuratively, from my armchair. I mean literally, in the ICU at a major hospital. |
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Post by johneppstein on Apr 10, 2020 18:33:09 GMT -6
Never mind. I see no way to have an intelligent scientific discussion with someone who rejects established terminology and falls back on personal attacks.
I have a great deal of respect for someone who goes and works in the ICU during a deadly pandemic, but that still doesn't make that person a biologist, biochemist, virologist, etc. A hero, maybe, even probably. But that's a different thing.
I had prepared a lengthy rebuttal, with quoted excerpts from your quoted sources (some of which sourced some of their posts/articles from such august and respected sources as Wikipedia!) but the hell with it.
BTW, I spell just fine - I just can't type worth a hill o' beans. Most people my age can't unless they studied for a secretarial job after high school. And YOU were the one who started with the "Spelling Police" stuff and weren't even remotely humerus (that's a pun, son) about it.
You need to cut the Gearslutz personal insult crap. I am never intentionally condescending to anybody. I grew up in an environment that valued precision of language and scientific correctness above nearly everything. If you can't understand that and can't converse without your inferiority complex getting in the way that's your problem, not mine. I've been me for nigh on 70 years and I'm not likely to change now.
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Post by Tbone81 on Apr 10, 2020 20:00:17 GMT -6
Never mind. I see no way to have an intelligent scientific discussion with someone who rejects established terminology and falls back on personal attacks.
I have a great deal of respect for someone who goes and works in the ICU during a deadly pandemic, but that still doesn't make that person a biologist, biochemist, virologist, etc. A hero, maybe, even probably. But that's a different thing.
I had prepared a lengthy rebuttal, with quoted excerpts from your quoted sources (some of which sourced some of their posts/articles from such august and respected sources as Wikipedia!) but the hell with it.
BTW, I spell just fine - I just can't type worth a hill o' beans. Most people my age can't unless they studied for a secretarial job after high school. And YOU were the one who started with the "Spelling Police" stuff and weren't even remotely humerus (that's a pun, son) about it.
You need to cut the Gearslutz personal insult crap. I am never intentionally condescending to anybody. I grew up in an environment that valued precision of language and scientific correctness above nearly everything. If you can't understand that and can't converse without your inferiority complex getting in the way that's your problem, not mine. I've been me for nigh on 70 years and I'm not likely to change now.
One thing you're right about John (I'm being sincere here) is that yes, I should've backed off the personal jabs. I don't usually get so heated and don't like throwing insults. Its not who I try to be. But when I feel that someone is insulting me, whether intentionally or not, its hard for me not to respond in like fashion. And its particularly frustrating to me when I feel someone is intentionally missing the point of my posts just for arguments sake. If I'm wrong in that, then fine, but that's my perception of things and it isn't changing. I'll take you for your word that anything you said wasn't meant to be condescending but I have trouble reading it any other way. If you truly value the precision of language maybe you'll considering wording your posts differently in the future, so that they're read with the same connotation that was meant. A smiley face emogi goes a long way (as ridiculous as that is). It didn't help that you caught me at a time when I was under immense stress (on the job) and because of it I've had a rather short fuse lately. So, I'm sorry for that.
Lets just agree to leave each other alone. I don't see much use in us bickering, here or in the future. We both agree that we can't converse with each other, albeit for different reasons. Please keep that in mind in future threads and I'll do likewise. Thanks.
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Post by johneppstein on Apr 10, 2020 20:21:01 GMT -6
Never mind. I see no way to have an intelligent scientific discussion with someone who rejects established terminology and falls back on personal attacks.
I have a great deal of respect for someone who goes and works in the ICU during a deadly pandemic, but that still doesn't make that person a biologist, biochemist, virologist, etc. A hero, maybe, even probably. But that's a different thing.
I had prepared a lengthy rebuttal, with quoted excerpts from your quoted sources (some of which sourced some of their posts/articles from such august and respected sources as Wikipedia!) but the hell with it.
BTW, I spell just fine - I just can't type worth a hill o' beans. Most people my age can't unless they studied for a secretarial job after high school. And YOU were the one who started with the "Spelling Police" stuff and weren't even remotely humerus (that's a pun, son) about it.
You need to cut the Gearslutz personal insult crap. I am never intentionally condescending to anybody. I grew up in an environment that valued precision of language and scientific correctness above nearly everything. If you can't understand that and can't converse without your inferiority complex getting in the way that's your problem, not mine. I've been me for nigh on 70 years and I'm not likely to change now.
One thing you're right about John (I'm being sincere here) is that yes, I should've backed off the personal jabs. I don't usually get so heated and don't like throwing insults. Its not who I try to be. But when I feel that someone is insulting me, whether intentionally or not, its hard for me not to respond in like fashion. And its particularly frustrating to me when I feel someone is intentionally missing the point of my posts just for arguments sake. If I'm wrong in that, then fine, but that's my perception of things and it isn't changing. I'll take you for your word that anything you said wasn't meant to be condescending but I have trouble reading it any other way. If you truly value the precision of language maybe you'll considering wording your posts differently in the future, so that they're read with the same connotation that was meant. A smiley face emogi goes a long way (as ridiculous as that is). It didn't help that you caught me at a time when I was under immense stress (on the job) and because of it I've had a rather short fuse lately. So, I'm sorry for that.
Lets just agree to leave each other alone. I don't see much use in us bickering, here or in the future. We both agree that we can't converse with each other, albeit for different reasons. Please keep that in mind in future threads and I'll do likewise. Thanks.
I get what you're saying. My problem (and it's one I've had all my life) is that when I try to word my posts with increased precision some people take them as being even more condescending.
I totally understand about the amount of stress and overwork you must be under right now. Your apology is gladly accepted.
I don't usually get on well with emojis, largely because they seldom if ever convey what I would want to use them for. (Ever see an "arched eyebrow" emoji? I haven't, and sure would like to. My humor (when I'm not making horrible puns) often tends to be somewhat on the dry side, and unfortunately there don't seem to be any "dry" emojis around.(When I made that crack about "panies" I was actually being a bit dryly humorous, in the context of your having just jumped on me for spelling.)
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Post by Tbone81 on Apr 10, 2020 20:38:09 GMT -6
One thing you're right about John (I'm being sincere here) is that yes, I should've backed off the personal jabs. I don't usually get so heated and don't like throwing insults. Its not who I try to be. But when I feel that someone is insulting me, whether intentionally or not, its hard for me not to respond in like fashion. And its particularly frustrating to me when I feel someone is intentionally missing the point of my posts just for arguments sake. If I'm wrong in that, then fine, but that's my perception of things and it isn't changing. I'll take you for your word that anything you said wasn't meant to be condescending but I have trouble reading it any other way. If you truly value the precision of language maybe you'll considering wording your posts differently in the future, so that they're read with the same connotation that was meant. A smiley face emogi goes a long way (as ridiculous as that is). It didn't help that you caught me at a time when I was under immense stress (on the job) and because of it I've had a rather short fuse lately. So, I'm sorry for that.
Lets just agree to leave each other alone. I don't see much use in us bickering, here or in the future. We both agree that we can't converse with each other, albeit for different reasons. Please keep that in mind in future threads and I'll do likewise. Thanks.
I get what you're saying. My problem (and it's one I've had all my life) is that when I try to word my posts with increased precision some people take them as being even more condescending.
I totally understand about the amount of stress and overwork you must be under right now. Your apology is gladly accepted.
I don't usually get on well with emojis, largely because they seldom if ever convey what I would want to use them for. (Ever see an "arched eyebrow" emoji? I haven't, and sure would like to. My humor (when I'm not making horrible puns) often tends to be somewhat on the dry side, and unfortunately there don't seem to be any "dry" emojis around.(When I made that crack about "panies" I was actually being a bit dryly humorous, in the context of your having just jumped on me for spelling.)
Fair enough. Don't take this as an insult, but all things considered it's not likely that we'd get along when the only method of "talking" is this forum. Strangely (or not), I'd actually guess that we'd get along just fine in person, over a beer or two. Believe it or not, I have a feeling we're not that different from each other. |
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Post by johneppstein on Apr 11, 2020 14:03:09 GMT -6
I get what you're saying. My problem (and it's one I've had all my life) is that when I try to word my posts with increased precision some people take them as being even more condescending.
I totally understand about the amount of stress and overwork you must be under right now. Your apology is gladly accepted.
I don't usually get on well with emojis, largely because they seldom if ever convey what I would want to use them for. (Ever see an "arched eyebrow" emoji? I haven't, and sure would like to.) My humor (when I'm not making horrible puns) often tends to be somewhat on the dry side, and unfortunately there don't seem to be any "dry" emojis around.(When I made that crack about "panies" I was actually being a bit dryly humorous, in the context of your having just jumped on me for spelling.)
Fair enough. Don't take this as an insult, but all things considered it's not likely that we'd get along when the only method of "talking" is this forum. Strangely (or not), I'd actually guess that we'd get along just fine in person, over a beer or two. Believe it or not, I have a feeling we're not that different from each other. I completely agree! The interrnet exacerbates communication problems - there's too much nonverbal stuff that's missing. |
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Post by chessparov on Apr 11, 2020 15:12:20 GMT -6
Very true. If all of you "stay safe", and come out of all this doing well-Literally & figuratively. That's the main thing. Other than squabbling over Analog vs. Digital of course!  Chris |
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