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Post by svart on Apr 12, 2020 11:29:33 GMT -6
Today's shower thought..
I wonder if the high rate of death seen in Italy has something to do with the supposed high rate in NYC due to higher amount of Italian heritage and there's a significant hereditary component?
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Post by matt@IAA on Apr 12, 2020 20:23:16 GMT -6
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Apr 13, 2020 7:57:43 GMT -6
19 million people living in an area you can walk across in 4.5 hours. So to that point, in my state of North Carolina, only 4500 cases state wide, 4416 of which have fully recovered and more will recover soon. And it would take someone 6 months to walk from end to end. 10.5 million people live in my state. This Covid 19 virus is NOT a one size fits all situation. We can't cripple an entire economy based on metrics taken from high population urban centers. Obviously, these are the ones who need the most help and we are doing that. But the US economy is not solely based around these areas. The urban centers need to be closed for as long as the numbers of cases allow, but my state does NOT need to be shut down IMO. And neither do many others.
If a person feels nervous about doing business during this, I understand. But again, it's not one size fits all. What NYC is going through should not be imposed on everyone. We don't live on top of each other in most of the country. Much of our economy can start up again right now and be no less the safer.
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Post by johneppstein on Apr 13, 2020 20:57:15 GMT -6
Today's shower thought.. I wonder if the high rate of death seen in Italy has something to do with the supposed high rate in NYC due to higher amount of Italian heritage and there's a significant hereditary component? Nah. More likely it's the amount of Italian sausage consumed per capita. |
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Post by johneppstein on Apr 13, 2020 20:59:40 GMT -6
19 million people living in an area you can walk across in 4.5 hours. So to that point, in my state of North Carolina, only 4500 cases state wide, 4416 of which have fully recovered and more will recover soon. And it would take someone 6 months to walk from end to end. 10.5 million people live in my state. This Covid 19 virus is NOT a one size fits all situation. We can't cripple an entire economy based on metrics taken from high population urban centers. Obviously, these are the ones who need the most help and we are doing that. But the US economy is not solely based around these areas. The urban centers need to be closed for as long as the numbers of cases allow, but my state does NOT need to be shut down IMO. And neither do many others. If a person feels nervous about doing business during this, I understand. But again, it's not one size fits all. What NYC is going through should not be imposed on everyone. We don't live on top of each other in most of the country. Much of our economy can start up again right now and be no less the safer. There are results coming in from some very sparsely populated states that do not support that theory.
Population density has a lot to do with it, but lack of pop density is not a shield.
I saw an interview a night or two ago with the governor of one of those states - Wyoming, Montana, North Dakota, one of those. She said that although they'd got off to a slow start they now have a serious problem and are totally unprepared to deal with it.
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Post by ericn on Apr 19, 2020 18:59:41 GMT -6
19 million people living in an area you can walk across in 4.5 hours. So to that point, in my state of North Carolina, only 4500 cases state wide, 4416 of which have fully recovered and more will recover soon. And it would take someone 6 months to walk from end to end. 10.5 million people live in my state. This Covid 19 virus is NOT a one size fits all situation. We can't cripple an entire economy based on metrics taken from high population urban centers. Obviously, these are the ones who need the most help and we are doing that. But the US economy is not solely based around these areas. The urban centers need to be closed for as long as the numbers of cases allow, but my state does NOT need to be shut down IMO. And neither do many others. If a person feels nervous about doing business during this, I understand. But again, it's not one size fits all. What NYC is going through should not be imposed on everyone. We don't live on top of each other in most of the country. Much of our economy can start up again right now and be no less the safer. Herbie Growing up in small town WI I get where your coming from, but you have to understand how the health care system works and the limited resources of small hospitals . First here in KC a mid sized city on a normal day I’m within 15min of at least 3 major medical centers, plus Children’s Mercy and a VA facility. All of these are going to have a good number of ventilators. Plus I’m within less than 10min of fire stations staffed with EMTs and equipped with ambulances with portable ventilators. Now your average small town Hospital probably has 1-3 traditional vents. The small hospital is going to try to transfer anybody before they need one of those vents to a larger hospital. Odds are with all this there probably not going to tie up the limited ambulance and EMT’s for the transfer and if they are smart request one of the few “mobile ICU’s” for the transfer or an air transport. Limited number of both in any area and I forget the exact number of required service hours per flight hour ( somewhere between 1.5 and 2). Now your small town patient is an Urban patient putting more stress on the already stressed system. Everybody in health cares greatest fear is this thing goes big outside of the urban centers, fore the most part it hasn’t. Now you also have to understand every Covid 19 patient that rolls in to any health care facility ups the odds that not only health care workers but also non Covid 19 patients ( trauma, heart attach, stroke plus continuation of cancer care are all still being treated). The current state of small town hospitals is an issue that everybody new was at some point going to be a problem, but nobody cared to put any effort into because there isn’t any money in it, the exceptions being. Mayo Clinic and Marshfield Clinic and they both have large holes in there coverage area. Now look at the demographics of any small town in the USA, you will find it older and a larger population with conditions that lead to a higher probability of ending up in an ICU or death with this virus. Honestly I would look at the low numbers in small towns as a sign that what you are doing is working and that when it comes to this your probably smarter than city folk. As far as the economy, well if you think this is bad, and it is, just think what a couple of big spikes in lightly populated areas would do long term. Remember the estimation from infection to being symptomatic is 7-10 days add in another week or 2 before things get really bad. Now how many people become infected in that time? |
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