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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2020 11:25:57 GMT -6
My info comes from some guys on another, VERY pro forum who use a lot of Gefells and also include some top technical people. They love the mics, just find the company a PITA to deal with. And yes, they did have a US distributor until relatively recently. The most recent in a fairly long line of US distributors, which might tell you something. Like many they have gone through a number of distributors in the US, but that isn’t always a reflection of the manufacturer. There is so much political BS that goes both ways. The most demanding thing about Gefell is that they don’t have a North American service center. They want to work on their mics, now when you consider how many flakes have come and gone in the mic repair biz is that really a bad thing? agreed. and they most likely trying to guard their production secrets by keeping their service inhouse, people are still trying to replicate their capsule and fall short. afteralll they are one of the best mic companies. cant be mad at that.
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Post by svart on Apr 5, 2020 11:48:16 GMT -6
I did learn some interesting things, one of which included their secret to achieving super low noise in such a high gain amplifier. Novel approach, but nothing too crazy. Share please! Photovoltaic optocouplers. They're generally used to isolate mosfet gates by generating a voltage on the output side that's photovoltaicly generated which turns on the fets. In this case, they use a chain of them in series to generate the ~100vdc capsule bias from the 48v phantom. Since it's generated in this way, the noise is extremely low. No switching noise, and it's completely isolated. It's expensive though, those optocouplers are a few dollars each, and it takes a dozen of them to do this.
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Post by chessparov on Apr 6, 2020 1:17:33 GMT -6
Must_stop_reading_about_Gefell. (hides wallet). Chris
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2020 3:14:02 GMT -6
Must_stop_reading_about_Gefell. (hides wallet). Chris I'm torn between a umt800 or a m92.1s
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Post by chessparov on Apr 6, 2020 3:36:18 GMT -6
Guessing the 92.1 will have more "personality", as the UMT800 seems more "Classical"... To this relatively untrained eye (in the ways of Gefell). Chris
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Post by iamasound on Apr 6, 2020 5:10:10 GMT -6
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Post by drbill on Apr 6, 2020 9:40:12 GMT -6
There are SOOOOoooooo many Gefell mics I'd like to own. So many. And I already have 7 of em. LOL
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Post by gwlee7 on Apr 6, 2020 10:02:20 GMT -6
There are SOOOOoooooo many Gefell mics I'd like to own. So many. And I already have 7 of em. LOL I have a couple of M295 SDCs. What would make a decent LDC addition if one was bored, and one were sorta, maybe, perhaps, looking to do a little retail therapy by adding an all purpose Gefell that wouldn't totally crush one financially?
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Post by adamjbrass on Apr 6, 2020 10:05:39 GMT -6
Must_stop_reading_about_Gefell. (hides wallet). Chris I'm torn between a umt800 or a m92.1s The UMT800 is like a UMT-70s on steroids, with all its patterns and larger head acoustics. That is one of the most versatile Gefell mics. I have thrown that grenade at more sources than any other Gefell. If you only need a cardioid pattern and want some tube euphony, you should get the M92.1s. It fits in a dense mix perfectly.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2020 10:53:15 GMT -6
There are SOOOOoooooo many Gefell mics I'd like to own. So many. And I already have 7 of em. LOL Which ones u have lol. I have 3
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Post by ericn on Apr 6, 2020 11:03:02 GMT -6
Other some of the old weird specialty mics that were not designed for Quality recording I have never heard a Gefell that didn’t bring a smile to my face. I have an old customer who always thought he wanted a U87, but would never save up the $. Over the years I sold him a pair of UM70’s. Well he finally bought a brand new U87 about 2 years ago, was major league disappointed, returned and spent it all on an old UM57. Now he is a very happy camper.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2020 11:16:33 GMT -6
Other some of the old weird specialty mics that were not designed for Quality recording I have never heard a Gefell that didn’t bring a smile to my face. I have an old customer who always thought he wanted a U87, but would never save up the $. Over the years I sold him a pair of UM70’s. Well he finally bought a brand new U87 about 2 years ago, was major league disappointed, returned and spent it all on an old UM57. Now he is a very happy camper. Wish they didn't stopped making the um70. Thee is something about about having tranformers in mics that i like. Have u ever had a chance to compare it to the umt70 (tranformeless). I heard it's close but reading from forums I gathered on vocals um70 is more preferable and some claiming it's equally good
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Post by ericn on Apr 6, 2020 11:24:17 GMT -6
Other some of the old weird specialty mics that were not designed for Quality recording I have never heard a Gefell that didn’t bring a smile to my face. I have an old customer who always thought he wanted a U87, but would never save up the $. Over the years I sold him a pair of UM70’s. Well he finally bought a brand new U87 about 2 years ago, was major league disappointed, returned and spent it all on an old UM57. Now he is a very happy camper. Wish they didn't stopped making the um70. Thee is something about about having tranformers in mics that i like. Have u ever had a chance to compare it to the umt70 (tranformeless). I heard it's close but reading from forums I gathered on vocals um70 is more preferable and some claiming it's equally good I always preferred having the transformer, but the difference wasn’t big enough that if I had an M7 Gefell FET without it I was disappointed or going to reach for something else. They first tried to sell the transformer less version as being quieter but I never really noticed a difference.
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Post by drbill on Apr 6, 2020 13:01:04 GMT -6
I prefer the transformer models.
I currently own : (2) UM70's, (3) M71S's with consecutive serials - essentially cardiod only UM70's, and (2) M70/692's (SDC with swappable capsule heads).
I'd love to own pairs of :
CMV 563/M 7S UM900 (wish I could still get the half moon yoke...) UM92.1S
Probably in that order (but the 900 could bump up....), but who am I kidding....I want ALL the Gefell line of mics. LOL
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Post by iamasound on Apr 6, 2020 17:10:07 GMT -6
The off axis pickup of the m930 is as beautiful as a rainbow. ROY G BIV. I think that the G stands for Gefell.
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Post by johneppstein on Apr 6, 2020 17:37:39 GMT -6
Like many they have gone through a number of distributors in the US, but that isn’t always a reflection of the manufacturer. There is so much political BS that goes both ways. The most demanding thing about Gefell is that they don’t have a North American service center. They want to work on their mics, now when you consider how many flakes have come and gone in the mic repair biz is that really a bad thing? agreed. and they most likely trying to guard their production secrets by keeping their service inhouse, people are still trying to replicate their capsule and fall short. afteralll they are one of the best mic companies. cant be mad at that. That's a bit silly, IMO. I somebody wanted to reverse engineer one of their mics it would be a simple matter to purchase one and disassemble it. You'd learn just as much as if you could order parts from the factory.
I just put it down to an excess of Germanic attitude.
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Post by johneppstein on Apr 6, 2020 17:39:36 GMT -6
To answer the original question though, you probably should buy one.
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Post by woofhead on Apr 6, 2020 18:46:35 GMT -6
The off axis pickup of the m930 is as beautiful as a rainbow. ROY G BIV. I think that the G stands for Gefell. I often use my pair as room mics facing away by varying degress for recording my grand piano and they are amazing for that.Usually combined with 1 or 2 ribbons as the closer mics
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Post by Ward on Apr 6, 2020 21:01:54 GMT -6
The off axis pickup of the m930 is as beautiful as a rainbow. ROY G BIV. I think that the G stands for Gefell. It is every bit the match for the KM84 and THEN SOME! Oh how I wish the Gefell crowd could have bought the remains of the other Neumann company and blended them together in one solid true Neumann Microphone GMBH. But I digress . . ..
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Post by Omicron9 on Apr 8, 2020 11:43:22 GMT -6
A slightly cautionary point here; I have the Gefell CMV 563 re-issue which has the M7 and is a great mic on some things but overall vocals are hit and miss even with a lovely old Bowie sourced tube. Further to my experience, Klaus (Heyne - guru of German mics) has stated in other fora that the newer gen of Gefell M7s are lacking relative to earlier incarnations. I'm seriously thinking of checking in with Heiserman to replace my cap particularly as I like the Heiserman cap in my Stam 87 a lot. On the plus side, Gefell are absolutely top to deal with IME Cheers, Ross The one problem with Gefell is service - if you require service you must send the mic back to the factory. And they have a rep for being somewhat difficult to deal with on the service side of things. For one thing the mic must be returned to them by an authorized dealer. Not my experience. I sent two mics back to them. Their service, both with the mics and personally, was stellar and flawless. If you need to send a mic back to them, just email them and they'll walk you thru it. Great company; great mics. Fear not. Also: the pricing for the repairs were far less than I would have expected. Gefell is a total class act all around in my experience. -09
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Post by gwlee7 on Nov 23, 2020 21:15:54 GMT -6
I am loving Gefells.
I have 2 m295 SDCs and an MV692 body with both UM70 and M94 capsules.
So the original question still applies, why shouldn’t I get an M92.1s?
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Post by Tbone81 on Nov 23, 2020 21:50:11 GMT -6
The answer is: Yes, buy one. And then tell me all about it because I’ve been on the fence about buying one for quite a while, and like you, also love the Gefell I own (umt70s). So, please, be my guinea pig.
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Post by gwlee7 on Nov 23, 2020 22:02:24 GMT -6
The answer is: Yes, buy one. And then tell me all about it because I’ve been on the fence about buying one for quite a while, and like you, also love the Gefell I own (umt70s). So, please, be my guinea pig. I may very well.
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Post by ericn on Nov 24, 2020 13:47:38 GMT -6
I am loving Gefells. I have 2 m295 SDCs and an MV692 body with both UM70 and M94 capsules. So the original question still applies, why shouldn’t I get an M92.1s? You need that nice warm glow of a tube.
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Post by gwlee7 on Nov 24, 2020 16:00:38 GMT -6
I am loving Gefells. I have 2 m295 SDCs and an MV692 body with both UM70 and M94 capsules. So the original question still applies, why shouldn’t I get an M92.1s? You need that nice warm glow of a tube. I bet the glow and warmth is better than the Warm WA251 that I have now (pun intended).
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