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Post by seawell on Jan 20, 2020 16:25:59 GMT -6
Ah, Luna defaults to a locked 128 buffer, you can do the math based on what sampling rate you prefer ? I appreciate it, but I'd rather have the actual numbers. I've combed the other forums and asked twice here so I don't know why that info isn't readily available?
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 20, 2020 16:30:09 GMT -6
Fair enuff, but they haven’t actually released the product yet so maybe it’s being tweaked still, curious why isn’t a working estimate of between a few milliseconds actually acceptable?
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 20, 2020 17:14:33 GMT -6
Ah, Luna defaults to a locked 128 buffer, you can do the math based on what sampling rate you prefer ? I appreciate it, but I'd rather have the actual numbers. I've combed the other forums and asked twice here so I don't know why that info isn't readily available? There might be more info at the UADforum.com
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 20, 2020 17:22:06 GMT -6
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Post by javamad on Jan 20, 2020 18:03:33 GMT -6
Do you track with gating and delay? I guess I might do delay on guitar or keyboard, but always from the input side. I guess an AU insert like a saturation might be changing levels, but I'd say you'll just have to work through this. I'm sure the talent can handle the plug not being there for a punch in. I meant if I am overdubbing and have put those plugins on existing tracks. If they are suddenly bypassed in the cue mix to make it low latency ... it could be weird
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Post by ericn on Jan 20, 2020 18:56:36 GMT -6
While late to the DAW platform wars, UAD has brought an interesting spin to the battle. I’m sure we will see others do their best to give us something similar it shall be very interesting to see how this all plays out. Nicely done UAD.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jan 20, 2020 20:04:25 GMT -6
I appreciate it, but I'd rather have the actual numbers. I've combed the other forums and asked twice here so I don't know why that info isn't readily available? There might be more info at the UADforum.com 😂😂😂
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Post by Vincent R. on Jan 20, 2020 21:07:12 GMT -6
My Dan Alexander 1272 is amazing. UAD’s 1290 unison preamp actually gets pretty close to the sound of it. Closer than their 1073.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 20, 2020 21:22:47 GMT -6
My Dan Alexander 1272 is amazing. UAD’s 1290 unison preamp actually gets pretty close to the sound of it. Closer than their 1073. I thought the 1290 emu was thicker than the 1073.
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Post by sirthought on Jan 20, 2020 22:15:59 GMT -6
I'm wondering if that Unison plugin is what's behind this summing extension they'll be charging for.
I own and use the Oxide Tape plugin quite a bit. Wish I had bought the Studer now, as the Oxide will be free to everyone in this system.
If you pay for these Studer and Neve extensions, you'll be spending as much as another DAW might cost anyhow.
I've never tried Harrison Mixbus, but people are bringing it up a lot in comparison.
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Post by javamad on Jan 21, 2020 4:51:17 GMT -6
I'm wondering if that Unison plugin is what's behind this summing extension they'll be charging for. I own and use the Oxide Tape plugin quite a bit. Wish I had bought the Studer now, as the Oxide will be free to everyone in this system. If you pay for these Studer and Neve extensions, you'll be spending as much as another DAW might cost anyhow. I've never tried Harrison Mixbus, but people are bringing it up a lot in comparison. I have the Studer and love it, especially the gang control. I like to put one on each of my 8 groups as I go out to my summing rig. Tweaking the eq and bias across the mix at once makes it very fast to audition your changes. Definitely happy to discover that its now free to me in LUNA plus its good to know its the same thing (if not it would not be free) so putting one on every track might be fun!
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Post by sirthought on Jan 21, 2020 6:33:47 GMT -6
And now it'll be native, so there's more DSP available for other tools.
Honestly, the Oxide offers a little something good, so I'll just see where we land when the software is released. But it's never fun to see something you once paid hard earned cash for is now free to your peers.
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Post by Vincent R. on Jan 21, 2020 7:01:30 GMT -6
My Dan Alexander 1272 is amazing. UAD’s 1290 unison preamp actually gets pretty close to the sound of it. Closer than their 1073. I thought the 1290 emu was thicker than the 1073. It is, but my Dan Alexander 1272 with the original Marinair transformers is even a little thicker than the 1290 emulation. They are very close though...
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Post by javamad on Jan 21, 2020 7:47:52 GMT -6
I see a lot of people on GS, FB, etc screaming for a Windows version, axx plugins, vst compatibility, every complicated feature that just came last week to whatever DAW they use and declaring it essential and basically chastising UA for being already late with their wishlist :-)
I work in software development and I know how large products like this are rolled out. ... slowly! ha ha ...from what I have seen, Luna looks like a very strong version 1.
I think the next steps from UA will be to 1. get it out in the wild on Mac ... many bug reports and issues may arrive 2. roll out some more extensions and confirm their market expectations 3. add Windows support 4. Add integrations with other protocols and systems
It will be a slow process, painful for the users and fun for the developers (I am jealous! :-) )
Well done UA and keep doing what you are doing!
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 21, 2020 8:35:03 GMT -6
^^This^^
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Post by Ned Ward on Jan 21, 2020 10:52:30 GMT -6
Agree - focus on making a great Mac version first without worrying about the noise of Windows, AAX, VST, etc. figure out what works and what needs to be fixed. Then add the resources to go to other platforms. He who screams the loudest is seldom the customer(s) to focus on. Having worked for 2 startups that dealt with connected apps (hardware, bluetooth, software) that felt they had to be dual platform from the start (iOS, Android) it's a PITA and way more than twice the work. Walk before you run, and remember that by trying to please everyone you please no one.
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Post by brucerothwell on Jan 21, 2020 12:31:55 GMT -6
...It looks kinda like its written on the Sony Ardour platform... "Sony Ardour"? I've heard of "Ardour", and I know Harrison Mixbus is based on it, but am curious if there is another incarnation involving Sony? The first thing I thought of when I saw that Luna was a "recording system" was that the DAW was based on Ardour.
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Post by brucerothwell on Jan 21, 2020 12:36:43 GMT -6
I'm really happy with my Metric Halo interface, the full compliment of embedded high-grade plugins, DSP that relieves the CPU, ability to apply embedded plugins whilst tracking, and no-latency monitoring.
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Post by adamjbrass on Jan 21, 2020 17:11:01 GMT -6
...It looks kinda like its written on the Sony Ardour platform... "Sony Ardour"? I've heard of "Ardour", and I know Harrison Mixbus is based on it, but am curious if there is another incarnation involving Sony? The first thing I thought of when I saw that Luna was a "recording system" was that the DAW was based on Ardour. I was mistaken. Strike Sony from the record. But yea, this looks like its based on Ardour.
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Post by brenta on Jan 21, 2020 18:19:18 GMT -6
UA has said that this is not based on Ardour and is brand new, coded from the ground up.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 21, 2020 19:58:46 GMT -6
Can I just say - the little shots by Fabrice in the videos making fun of Gearslutz kind of annoys me. He would try and illicit laughs by saying “it must be true, i heard it on GS...” Sure - the dumbasses there are what made me start this site in the first place - but I’m sure he holds a similar view of this forum if he even knows about it. Well, those “dummies” are supplementing his income because they are the exact people buying these interfaces. I’m sure there are thousands that look at the Apollo’s as being prosumer as they power up their 8068 and ten 251s. I’ve met Fabrice briefly and he seems like a super nice guy, but jeesh - consider who your target market is.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jan 21, 2020 21:14:18 GMT -6
I've met Fab too, and he is a cool guy. He lent me his main studio once, the one with the vintage restored Neve, just to test a mic. He's funny and welcoming, generous too. I'm not sure he's aware of Real Gear, but I think he'd like it. I take your point though.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 21, 2020 22:06:19 GMT -6
And I'm not just complaining to be complaining...but it's just a lazy joke...maybe I'm more sensitive because of this forum...But there's definitely a snobbery. I've met more than one manufacturer that have rolled their eyes when I told them I have a Pro Audio forum. Had one (that comes here to hawk their goods) say "I fucking hate your forum..." lol. OK, Spanky. Guess he doesn't hate it enough to post about his product. To me, it's akin to an artist belittling their fans. Very unattractive.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 21, 2020 22:24:28 GMT -6
Sorry to get off topic. Back to Luna. I’m really looking forward to it.
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Post by javamad on Jan 22, 2020 3:51:19 GMT -6
Sorry to get off topic. Back to Luna. I’m really looking forward to it. I have to say I love this forum. A breath of fresh air, polite (mostly :-) ), useful, honest and a great source of information and comradeship in this biz that has us all sitting alone in poorly lit caves around the globe. So the haters can take a flying jump! :-)
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