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Post by jdc on Jan 19, 2020 16:13:01 GMT -6
Drew @ UAI tried to register at the US forum to ask you this question but my email confirmation never came and I wasn't able to complete that process, so I'll ask you here if that's alright: Yesterday on the UA forum you said "...Satellites' DSP is used for disk based playback tracks. Apollo's DSP is used for live inputs and effects AND playback tracks." (page 123) I have a twin quad core and a satellite octo. What happens, for example, if I record a vocal and begin the mix process, find a killer sound with uad plugs on inserts, and then need to do overdubs on that track because the lyrics have changed? Will the newly recorded vocal on that track hear those plugins that were added later with no latency or will they be disabled during record? I guess a simpler way of asking that is: do plugins using Satellite DSP on a track that is recording also get heard with no latency? Or do they get disabled during the recording process?
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Post by sirthought on Jan 19, 2020 17:00:28 GMT -6
Will the newly recorded vocal on that track hear those plugins that were added later with no latency or will they be disabled during record? I guess a simpler way of asking that is: do plugins using Satellite DSP on a track that is recording also get heard with no latency? Or do they get disabled during the recording process? Based on my reading of responses so far: if you have plugins inserted on a channel for mixing and want to overdub or punch in, those inserted plugins would be bypassed to allow for lowest latency while doing the recording. If there are plugins on the recording section, they would remain in use. Once you're done with the tracking, the plugins go back to normal use.
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Post by sirthought on Jan 19, 2020 17:02:53 GMT -6
Sure, I simple 2 trk bounce from Logic and import into LUNA. easy. Or you can bounce your Stems and do it to them in LUNA. Also easy. Is it possible to route 2 track from Logic to Console Virtual Channels and then into Luna for summing? And I thought there was no import into Luna on v1? Is that just for session data?
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 19, 2020 18:24:06 GMT -6
jdc since when can you track with ua plugs in a real daw logic), without latency. Guess I am being slow but I believe it is still only the in board apollo dsp that runs ua plugs. LUNA and it’s extensions run on your host computer through ilok authorization, and your Octo dsp is only good for mixing? Drew May correct me on this ?
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Post by seawell on Jan 19, 2020 19:34:32 GMT -6
jdc since when can you track with ua plugs in a real daw logic), without latency. Guess I am being slow but I believe it is still only the in board apollo dsp that runs ua plugs. LUNA and it’s extensions run on your host computer through ilok authorization, and your Octo dsp is only good for mixing? Drew May correct me on this ? There will have to be some amount of latency...just haven't seen an official word from UA about how much yet. Drew, any official specs on that yet? I haven't seen it anywhere yet.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 19, 2020 19:44:31 GMT -6
Luna defaults to a locked 128 so that gives you a sense of latency depending on sampling rate.
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Post by javamad on Jan 20, 2020 2:24:06 GMT -6
Having seen a few walkthroughs now on YT (Sound on Sound, Andertons, etc) this is looking very good indeed.
I have one question though about the automatic bypassing of AU plugins when recording in Low Latency mode....
What if the AU plugin you have on is changing gain or gating or adding a delay or similar ... just dropping it out of the chain would mean your mix volumes change or you loose your gating/delays ... it could be offputting to the artist?
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Post by sirthought on Jan 20, 2020 4:48:59 GMT -6
Do you track with gating and delay? I guess I might do delay on guitar or keyboard, but always from the input side.
I guess an AU insert like a saturation might be changing levels, but I'd say you'll just have to work through this. I'm sure the talent can handle the plug not being there for a punch in.
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Post by Drew @ UA on Jan 20, 2020 5:58:02 GMT -6
Drew, Any guidance or recommended on hardware for the upcoming LUNA? (ie type of MAC amount of cores/erc)? It seems the Core Audio handling portion of LUNA will run on the Apollos/DSPs for very low latency? (is that correct) but some of the LUNA application will also run on the MAC natively? Correct? Can you explain? Will a 2013 Black Trash Can 6-core be plenty to power a large LUNA session? (ignoring what is needed for the UAD plugins)? Would 8 Cores get you any more power, ie will it take advantage of multiple cores in V1? We were running 2013 Mac Pros at NAMM. I run LUNA on a 2018 Mac mini and it's great!
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Post by Drew @ UA on Jan 20, 2020 5:59:10 GMT -6
Drew @ UA I tried to register at the US forum to ask you this question but my email confirmation never came and I wasn't able to complete that process, so I'll ask you here if that's alright: Yesterday on the UA forum you said "...Satellites' DSP is used for disk based playback tracks. Apollo's DSP is used for live inputs and effects AND playback tracks." (page 123) I have a twin quad core and a satellite octo. What happens, for example, if I record a vocal and begin the mix process, find a killer sound with uad plugs on inserts, and then need to do overdubs on that track because the lyrics have changed? Will the newly recorded vocal on that track hear those plugins that were added later with no latency or will they be disabled during record? I guess a simpler way of asking that is: do plugins using Satellite DSP on a track that is recording also get heard with no latency? Or do they get disabled during the recording process? LUNA handles the DSP shuffling for you.
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Post by Drew @ UA on Jan 20, 2020 6:00:30 GMT -6
Will the newly recorded vocal on that track hear those plugins that were added later with no latency or will they be disabled during record? I guess a simpler way of asking that is: do plugins using Satellite DSP on a track that is recording also get heard with no latency? Or do they get disabled during the recording process? Based on my reading of responses so far: if you have plugins inserted on a channel for mixing and want to overdub or punch in, those inserted plugins would be bypassed to allow for lowest latency while doing the recording. If there are plugins on the recording section, they would remain in use. Once you're done with the tracking, the plugins go back to normal use. This correct for AU. UAD plugs would nit bypass when armed.
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Post by Drew @ UA on Jan 20, 2020 6:01:15 GMT -6
Sure, I simple 2 trk bounce from Logic and import into LUNA. easy. Or you can bounce your Stems and do it to them in LUNA. Also easy. Is it possible to route 2 track from Logic to Console Virtual Channels and then into Luna for summing? And I thought there was no import into Luna on v1? Is that just for session data? 1. There might be some tracks yet up our sleeves here. 2. LUNA imports wav and AAF files.
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Post by Drew @ UA on Jan 20, 2020 6:02:19 GMT -6
Having seen a few walkthroughs now on YT (Sound on Sound, Andertons, etc) this is looking very good indeed. I have one question though about the automatic bypassing of AU plugins when recording in Low Latency mode.... What if the AU plugin you have on is changing gain or gating or adding a delay or similar ... just dropping it out of the chain would mean your mix volumes change or you loose your gating/delays ... it could be offputting to the artist? When the track is armed, the plug is bypassed and remains so until you unarm.
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Post by Quint on Jan 20, 2020 7:17:40 GMT -6
Drew, Any guidance or recommended on hardware for the upcoming LUNA? (ie type of MAC amount of cores/erc)? It seems the Core Audio handling portion of LUNA will run on the Apollos/DSPs for very low latency? (is that correct) but some of the LUNA application will also run on the MAC natively? Correct? Can you explain? Will a 2013 Black Trash Can 6-core be plenty to power a large LUNA session? (ignoring what is needed for the UAD plugins)? Would 8 Cores get you any more power, ie will it take advantage of multiple cores in V1? We were running 2013 Mac Pros at NAMM. I run LUNA on a 2018 Mac mini and it's great! What's the specs (cpu/ram/etc) on that 2013 Mac Pro?
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Post by Drew @ UA on Jan 20, 2020 7:21:32 GMT -6
Doesn't matter because those sessions were tiny little things that any computer could handle.
My 2018 Mac mini runs very large LUNA sessions no problem.
if you have sine specific test you'd like me to try, let me know.
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Post by Quint on Jan 20, 2020 9:39:02 GMT -6
Doesn't matter because those sessions were tiny little things that any computer could handle. My 2018 Mac mini runs very large LUNA sessions no problem. if you have sine specific test you'd like me to try, let me know. It matters to me.... Since you guys won't be offering Luna to Windows users, and I have a high interest in using Luna, I "might" be willing to buy an old Mac (for $500 or less) to try Luna out, but there is no way in hell I'll be buying a new overpriced Mac when I just built a really high powered PC for $2,500 this last year. As I previously owned a 2012 Mac Mini (due to earlier lack of TB support on PC by UAD), and you mentioned a 2013 Mac Pro, that seemed like somewhat of an apples to apples comparison, and the only direct comparison I could attempt to make, as I've never owned any other Mac. So please just tell me what the specs on the 2013 Mac Pro were. Thanks.
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Post by stratboy on Jan 20, 2020 9:44:46 GMT -6
I may have missed this earlier in the thread, but it occurs to me that with the UAD amp sim collection, Luna has potential to be sort of a kemper substitute. Playing guitar or bass direct into an Apollo and flipping through the amp plugins followed by Ocean Way? Hmmm.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 20, 2020 9:46:16 GMT -6
They lkely have to reach ut to Fab and ask his assistant as it is likely his personal computer ?
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Post by soundintheround on Jan 20, 2020 9:46:17 GMT -6
Doesn't matter because those sessions were tiny little things that any computer could handle. My 2018 Mac mini runs very large LUNA sessions no problem. if you have sine specific test you'd like me to try, let me know. Drew, Right now I am in the position of having to return a 2013 - 6 core MacPro because of a few issues. (Apparently was not fully wiped) Would an 8 core or 12 core be better to get for Luna or about the same? For Cubase (at least 9.5) more cores believe it or not doesn’t really matter much because that software doesn’t leverage the extra cores. Whereas Logic and Pro-tool pretty sure does. How about Luna? Do you know that level of detail?
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Post by Drew @ UA on Jan 20, 2020 9:47:10 GMT -6
They lkely have to reach ut to Fab and ask his assistant as it is likely his personal computer ? No, not his.
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Post by Drew @ UA on Jan 20, 2020 9:47:28 GMT -6
I may have missed this earlier in the thread, but it occurs to me that with the UAD amp sim collection, Luna has potential to be sort of a kemper substitute. Playing guitar or bass direct into an Apollo and flipping through the amp plugins followed by Ocean Way? Hmmm. Sure!!
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Post by Drew @ UA on Jan 20, 2020 9:50:10 GMT -6
Doesn't matter because those sessions were tiny little things that any computer could handle. My 2018 Mac mini runs very large LUNA sessions no problem. if you have sine specific test you'd like me to try, let me know. It matters to me.... Since you guys won't be offering Luna to Windows users, and I have a high interest in using Luna, I "might" be willing to buy an old Mac (for $500 or less) to try Luna out, but there is no way in hell I'll be buying a new overpriced Mac when I just built a really high powered PC for $2,500 this last year. As I previously owned a 2012 Mac Mini (due to earlier lack of TB support on PC by UAD), and you mentioned a 2013 Mac Pro, that seemed like somewhat of an apples to apples comparison, and the only direct comparison I could attempt to make, as I've never owned any other Mac. So please just tell me what the specs on the 2013 Mac Pro were. Thanks. It doesn't matter in the sense that they weren't coming even remotely close to taxing it. IOW, those sessions would run an ANY Mac with Thunderbolt EASILY. I'm trying to help you save money.
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Post by Drew @ UA on Jan 20, 2020 9:51:35 GMT -6
Doesn't matter because those sessions were tiny little things that any computer could handle. My 2018 Mac mini runs very large LUNA sessions no problem. if you have sine specific test you'd like me to try, let me know. Drew, Right now I am in the position of having to return a 2013 - 6 core MacPro because of a few issues. (Apparently was not fully wiped) Would an 8 core or 12 core be better to get for Luna or about the same? For Cubase (at least 9.5) more cores believe it or not doesn’t really matter much because that software doesn’t leverage the extra cores. Whereas Logic and Pro-tool pretty sure does. How about Luna? Do you know that level of detail? LUNA the app and LUNA Extensions and Instruments are native, so when considering a machine, just think about it like you would fo any DAW. Buy the most computer you can for the money. LUNA is a ground up 64 bit app that makes the most of whatever computer you've got.
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Post by soundintheround on Jan 20, 2020 10:05:44 GMT -6
Drew one more....Sorry this is pretty specific.
Any idea of minimum OSX requirements? What OSX version were you running at NAMM?
I'm still running 10.11 over here and intend to keep it that way for as long as I can.
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Post by soundintheround on Jan 20, 2020 10:09:20 GMT -6
Sorry to hijack....DId they show-off the Varispeed feature at NAMM? Or discuss it? Is it 'per track' type of thing? Or a global? Does it work like it does in Logic X?
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