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Post by jacobamerritt on Dec 30, 2019 18:22:33 GMT -6
I was considering the WA-47 Microphone... Poked around the internet and it seems like the company is getting quite a bad reputation for their work environment. Kinda makes me not want to purchase their gear. Anyone know if the claims are substantiated?
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Post by jamiesego on Dec 30, 2019 18:38:06 GMT -6
I don’t know anything about the work environment. That’s unfortunate to hear. I have a WA47 and I think it sounds good.
I’ve owned the 76, 2A, and EQP also. I ended up selling them but I don’t regret buying them. I got good use out of them and then sold them and put that money towards pieces from Hairball, Audioscape, and Tube Tech.
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Post by ericn on Dec 30, 2019 19:36:25 GMT -6
I was considering the WA-47 Microphone... Poked around the internet and it seems like the company is getting quite a bad reputation for their work environment. Kinda makes me not want to purchase their gear. Anyone know if the claims are substantiated? It’s made in China to a price point, Bryce has never tried to hide that fact and honestly any other clones at the same price point are as well. A lot of this has to do with unrealistic expectations based on hype feeding hype rather than people grounded in reality.
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Post by tkaitkai on Dec 30, 2019 20:03:41 GMT -6
Yeah, I've never heard about the bad work environment thing. The most common gripe with Warm seems to be their QC, but they make up for it with excellent customer support. I had a WA76 that shipped with a crooked input knob, and they offered to repair it free (I would've only had to pay shipping). They were super friendly and informative when I spoke with them, too. As far as the sound goes, when they get it right, they really nail it (WA87, WA76, WA12, Tonebeast), but they do have some stuff that doesn't seem to be as well-received (WA73). I've owned the WA76 and WA12, and they're both quality pieces, but not really my thing. I generally prefer stuff that isn't quite as vibey, although I'm currently getting good use from a Golden Age LA3A copy...
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Post by gwlee7 on Dec 30, 2019 20:12:21 GMT -6
I have a WA 87 and 251 and they are decent enough. They work good as instrument mics.
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 30, 2019 20:49:40 GMT -6
No offense, but what exactly is your concern ? What does essentially internet gossip and heresy about work environment mean and or have to do with anything?
I have been interacting with Bryce on the internet since before the release of the original Tonebeast and bought a number of warm products. Mostly, things have worked fine and when I had a few problems , as stated above found Warm very concerned about sorting things out and providing good customer service.
You know what they say, there are two sides to every story,but the truth is in between , seems like a few grains of salt might be in order ?
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Post by jacobamerritt on Dec 30, 2019 20:58:42 GMT -6
I was considering the WA-47 Microphone... Poked around the internet and it seems like the company is getting quite a bad reputation for their work environment. Kinda makes me not want to purchase their gear. Anyone know if the claims are substantiated? It’s made in China to a price point, Bryce has never tried to hide that fact and honestly any other clones at the same price point are as well. A lot of this has to do with unrealistic expectations based on hype feeding hype rather than people grounded in reality. Im not talking about the gear itself (though the one piece I had from them I was not too happy with the build quality even for the price). Im talking more about the numerous bad reviews about the work place environment for their staff, and people leaving.
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Post by jacobamerritt on Dec 30, 2019 21:03:35 GMT -6
No offense, but what exactly is your concern ? What does essentially internet gossip and heresy about work environment mean and or have to do with anything? I take it as more than gossip when its commentary directly from folks who have worked there. With the numerous decent options in this price range, I just feel like Id rather spend money with a company who I am not aware of negative stuff about the way staff are treated. Though definitely opens a can of worms getting into almost any company as far as safe workplace and treatment with overseas sourced products.
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 30, 2019 21:20:46 GMT -6
Don’t want to argue with you, but personally I see one half of a story for what it is: one half. Neither you nor I actually know the truth of what ever the situation is as we didn’t experience it.
I thought Warm was busy building a new building and studio, would have thought opportunities were expanding there .
I am up on the Net a lot except Gearslutz, as the quality of its dialogue is sadly lacking but I haven’t read any reference to what you speak of ?
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Post by ericn on Dec 30, 2019 21:27:54 GMT -6
No offense, but what exactly is your concern ? What does essentially internet gossip and heresy about work environment mean and or have to do with anything? I have been interacting with Bryce on the internet since before the release of the original Tonebeast and bought a number of warm products. Mostly, things have worked fine and when I had a few problems , as stated above found Warm very concerned about sorting things out and providing good customer service. You know what they say, there are two sides to every story,but the truth is in between , seems like a few grains of salt might be in order ? For the most part that’s made in China OEM, don’t kid yourself most of the other similar priced stuff is coming from the same OEM’s that’s how they hold the price down, however you will hear complaints about the working conditions at Amazon and the labor practices of Walmart. 1st rule of economics low prices, good working conditions and wages, pick one.
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Post by jacobamerritt on Dec 30, 2019 21:31:42 GMT -6
Don’t want to argue with you, but personally I see one half of a story for what it is: one half. Neither you nor I actually know the truth of what ever the situation is as we didn’t experience it. I thought Warm was busy building a new building and studio, would have thought opportunities were expanding there . I am up on the Net a lot except Gearslutz, as the quality of its dialogue is sadly lacking but I haven’t read any reference to what you speak of ? Its out there on the net. And verified by someone (who used to work at Warm) who many in the audio real world and forums seem to respect. I'll stop poking around and just go with my gut.
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Post by jacobamerritt on Dec 30, 2019 21:33:41 GMT -6
For the most part that’s made in China OEM, don’t kid yourself most of the other similar priced stuff is coming from the same OEM’s that’s how they hold the price down, however you will hear complaints about the working conditions at Amazon and the labor practices of Walmart. 1st rule of economics low prices, good working conditions and wages, pick one. Yeah I get that- Im talking about the work environment here in the USA (Texas). Could just be one of those phases that come with stress of trying to expand rapidly where unfortunately some people feel burned, and upper mgmt is stressed and makes dumb choices.
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Post by ericn on Dec 30, 2019 21:46:44 GMT -6
For the most part that’s made in China OEM, don’t kid yourself most of the other similar priced stuff is coming from the same OEM’s that’s how they hold the price down, however you will hear complaints about the working conditions at Amazon and the labor practices of Walmart. 1st rule of economics low prices, good working conditions and wages, pick one. Yeah I get that- Im talking about the work environment here in the USA (Texas). Could just be one of those phases that come with stress of trying to expand rapidly where unfortunately some people feel burned, and upper mgmt is stressed and makes dumb choices. You will also notice here in the US with such low unemployment that there is this sense of entitlement amongst unskilled low wage workers. Most of these jobs suck and warehouse work is hard work, but so was every fing load in I ever did!
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Post by chessparov on Dec 30, 2019 22:15:45 GMT -6
Bryce seems to be quite a nice guy, just judging from his posts, and their Customer Service. If there are any such major issues, I hope those get straightened out soon, at Warm.
FWIW IMHO people usually start these audio companies, because they're enthusiasts at heart. Other things being equal, I enjoy hearing they're doing well. Chris
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Post by yotonic on Dec 30, 2019 22:18:02 GMT -6
Always follow your own values in life. If you believe in certain principles adhere to them and don't look to strangers for advice. If you have enough information to make a decision for yourself, make it for yourself and move on. Don't worry what others think. Self determination is an admirable trait. And likewise don't go out of your way in life to spread bad news about others, but don't hesitate to speak your mind should the situation arise. Absolutely spend your hard earned money and votes with people whose values you believe in. But always be willing to hear people out and give them a second chance.
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Post by ericn on Dec 30, 2019 22:21:03 GMT -6
Don’t want to argue with you, but personally I see one half of a story for what it is: one half. Neither you nor I actually know the truth of what ever the situation is as we didn’t experience it. I thought Warm was busy building a new building and studio, would have thought opportunities were expanding there . I am up on the Net a lot except Gearslutz, as the quality of its dialogue is sadly lacking but I haven’t read any reference to what you speak of ? Its out there on the net. And verified by someone (who used to work at Warm) who many in the audio real world and forums seem to respect. I'll stop poking around and just go with my gut. Look it probably dose suck to work at Warm, but ask anybody who has ever started a company what it was like at first, or how many years it took before they were eating something besides Roman. The warehouse at FullCompass wasn’t DisneyLand, but I was back there in a suit pulling orders for my clients, the Tape manufacturing dept was hot as hell but if my client needed tape ASAP I was there coat off sleeves rolled up. Hell my wife is sore and tired after a on her feet in the lab. If it is truly bad somebody somebody should complain to the dept of labor or OSHA, they can actually do something unlike the internet.
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Post by ericn on Dec 30, 2019 22:22:22 GMT -6
Bryce seems to be quite a nice guy, just judging from his posts, and their Customer Service. If there are any such major issues, I hope those get straightened out soon, at Warm. FWIW IMHO people usually start these audio companies, because they're enthusiasts at heart. Other things being equal, I enjoy hearing they're doing well. Chris This isn’t Bryce’s first rodeo in audio.
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Post by ericn on Dec 30, 2019 22:26:06 GMT -6
Always follow your own values in life. If you believe in certain principles adhere to them and don't look to strangers for advice. If you have enough information to make a decision for yourself, make it for yourself and move on. Don't worry what others think. Self determination is an admirable trait. And likewise don't go out of your way in life to spread bad news about others, but don't hesitate to speak your mind should the situation arise. Absolutely spend your hard earned money and votes with people whose values you believe in. But always be willing to hear people out and give them a second chance. We can always try to convince Dogears to take a road trip and check it out.
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Post by geoff738 on Dec 30, 2019 22:38:25 GMT -6
Bryce has done right by me. But I don’t work for him.
Wishing the best to him, all of you, and his employees in the new year.
Cheers, Geoff
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Post by ragan on Dec 31, 2019 1:05:12 GMT -6
I have some mixed feelings about posting specific claims based on vague rumors.
Someone reading this might get the idea that there’s something really solid behind the claims.
Is there?
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Post by jacobamerritt on Dec 31, 2019 1:29:02 GMT -6
I have some mixed feelings about posting specific claims based on vague rumors. Someone reading this might get the idea that there’s something really solid behind the claims. Is there? Yes. I was pretty much just hoping someone could clear the air on whats up, without me thread digging all over. The complaints seemed pretty easy to find. I feel like this thread could go sideways, which wasn't my intention. I know starting/running a business is really tough.
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 31, 2019 3:50:36 GMT -6
Personally, I have had like 10 years of excellent service from Warm, malcontents bitching on the internet, hmm. My experience in life is that those who complain the most are least likely to do anything constructive to resolve the situation and predisposed to not see or want to see their role in the situation.
I don’t doubt work can be demanding, Warm is no longer a start up, but a high growth company and still expanding. Personally, I think we all own our own jobs snd need to regularly re-evaluate, fit and also to take initiative to resolve or to attempt to resolve issues.
My sense is that these voices have not shared how they took ownership of their issues and or whether they did anything proactive about them and were rebuffed.
Feel like there is more to this story, but do follow your own counsel, no one here can make your decisions for you but I would also encourage you to be fair.
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Post by adamjbrass on Dec 31, 2019 6:49:22 GMT -6
I’ve worked directly with them, as a dealer. Never found anything beyond the normal routine.
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Post by Quint on Dec 31, 2019 8:17:14 GMT -6
I have some mixed feelings about posting specific claims based on vague rumors. Someone reading this might get the idea that there’s something really solid behind the claims. Is there? Yes. I was pretty much just hoping someone could clear the air on whats up, without me thread digging all over. The complaints seemed pretty easy to find. I feel like this thread could go sideways, which wasn't my intention. I know starting/running a business is really tough. I've never seen any such claims against Warm. Can you provide any specific examples?
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Post by stratboy on Dec 31, 2019 8:43:35 GMT -6
Always follow your own values in life. If you believe in certain principles adhere to them and don't look to strangers for advice. If you have enough information to make a decision for yourself, make it for yourself and move on. Don't worry what others think. Self determination is an admirable trait. And likewise don't go out of your way in life to spread bad news about others, but don't hesitate to speak your mind should the situation arise. Absolutely spend your hard earned money and votes with people whose values you believe in. But always be willing to hear people out and give them a second chance. FWIW, I think this paragraph is the distilled essence of good advice on how to live your life. Thank-you, Yotonic!
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