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Post by mikec on Dec 22, 2019 10:14:28 GMT -6
After getting the Silver Bullet and getting all my outboard running through a patch bay so I can use my hardware comps and eqs as inserts like Dr. Bill (on a much, much, much smaller scale) I sold my Dangerous 2Bus+. As much as I liked the 2Bus+, the Silver Bullet with an audioscape bus comp on the inserts made me realize I no longer needed it. I'm so tempted to get a second Silver Bullet since the one I have stays permanently on the mix bus and it would be fun to have one to use randomly on individual channels. Having another couple of awesome pre amps in it is another bonus.
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Post by ericn on Dec 22, 2019 10:32:51 GMT -6
The Six had the potential to be a killer little mixer, but It’s feature list seams more intended to check all the boxes on a comparison sheet than towards real world usability.
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Post by BradM on Dec 22, 2019 11:39:18 GMT -6
Hey Martin, I have to echo what everyone else here is saying. The Siver Bullet truly would give you console-like mojo and a finished 2-bus sound that feels like cheating. As much as SSL has a legacy of building big consoles with killer worflow, they really have never had a legacy of awesome tone like API and Neve. I know the SB may be a little bit out of your budget, but it's one of those pieces that most people tell me they kick themselves for not getting sooner. Also, Chroma+ is aobut to start shipping at the end of January. That's squarely in the same price range. It doesn't have the full range of features that the SB has, but it will give you the same great A & N console tone with some present EQ. Plus it has my fancy new power supply design I'm jazzed about. Are you located in the U.S.? How about this...I'd be willing to send you one of my personal Silver Bullets to try out for a few weeks (it's one of my trade show demo units), and then you can report back here about what you like or don't like about it for what you are trying to do. If you can cover return shipping then that would be cool. Send me an email or give me a call and we can make that happen. cheers, Brad
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Post by BradM on Dec 22, 2019 11:45:10 GMT -6
What about Louder than liftoff Chroma+ ? store.louderthanliftoff.com/products/chromaplusCheaper than an Silver bullet and with more interesting preamps and sound options than the SSL six (in my opinion, but haven’t used any of them myself). Same price as the SSL. Obviously no bus comp but maybe you want to add a real bus comp later anyway and the Chroma+ has comp as option. Downside is the inflexible EQ compared to the SB. Giving advice is dodgy when I haven’t used the stuff myself but just wanted to flag the option, I’m very tempted by it myself! You can always install one of my EQ-equipped Colour modules in the expansion slot to give you more EQ flexibility. For instance, putting something like Rogue-Tec Air in the slot will give you a variable Pultec HF boost (frequency selected by onboard jumper) when you turn the C-MIX knob. Even though those the HF and LF buttons only give you preset amounts of boost, I will say that the amount of boost chosen for each was based on years of use by Bill, myself, and others. They are preset to a 2-bus sweet spot that really works well. Brad
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 22, 2019 12:02:59 GMT -6
Meh on the six
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Post by mrholmes on Dec 22, 2019 12:22:00 GMT -6
How about this...I'd be willing to send you one of my personal Silver Bullets to try out for a few weeks (it's one of my trade show demo units), and then you can report back here about what you like or don't like about it for what you are trying to do. If you can cover return shipping then that would be cool. Send me an email or give me a call and we can make that happen. cheers, Brad @martin John Buttler Have you seen this?👍
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 22, 2019 12:25:10 GMT -6
Sweet offer: ho, ho, ho !!
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Post by BradM on Dec 22, 2019 12:26:36 GMT -6
Tell me how you really feel. Haha. I'm tempted to get one just so I can take it apart and study its mechanical construction. I'm kind of nerdy like that. I do give them credit for packing all that circuitry into that little enclosure. Anyone know what brand/type of fader they are using? cheers, Brad
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 22, 2019 12:35:46 GMT -6
Tell me how you really feel. Haha. I'm tempted to get one just so I can take it apart and study its mechanical construction. I'm kind of nerdy like that. I do give them credit for packing all that circuitry into that little enclosure. Anyone know what brand/type of fader they are using? cheers, Brad I'll kiss their ass when they pay me lol.
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 22, 2019 16:33:15 GMT -6
Pics or it never will have happened !
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Post by ericn on Dec 22, 2019 17:54:48 GMT -6
Hey Martin, I have to echo what everyone else here is saying. The Siver Bullet truly would give you console-like mojo and a finished 2-bus sound that feels like cheating. As much as SSL has a legacy of building big consoles with killer worflow, they really have never had a legacy of awesome tone like API and Neve. I know the SB may be a little bit out of your budget, but it's one of those pieces that most people tell me they kick themselves for not getting sooner. Also, Chroma+ is aobut to start shipping at the end of January. That's squarely in the same price range. It doesn't have the full range of features that the SB has, but it will give you the same great A & N console tone with some present EQ. Plus it has my fancy new power supply design I'm jazzed about. Are you located in the U.S.? How about this...I'd be willing to send you one of my personal Silver Bullets to try out for a few weeks (it's one of my trade show demo units), and then you can report back here about what you like or don't like about it for what you are trying to do. If you can cover return shipping then that would be cool. Send me an email or give me a call and we can make that happen. cheers, Brad If someone was going to go down the SSL small scale or scaleable summing mixer route I believe the majority would want to chase the 4K sound. In theory this would be pretty easy but in really you would first need the VCA’s that means you could add some simple automation but I think most would still be disappointed because so much of the tone of a 4K is all the other crap including those having to do with recall.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Dec 22, 2019 21:53:27 GMT -6
Thanks guys, this has all been really helpful. The advice here echoes some of my own reservations. Every one of you had something valuable to offer. I think I will take up Brad on his kind offer. I may need a week or two before trying it though.. I just had surgery last week and will need another in 2-3 weeks. So I’m laying low until all is well..
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Post by geoff738 on Dec 22, 2019 23:01:11 GMT -6
Thanks guys, this has all been really helpful. The advice here echoes some of my own reservations. Every one of you had something valuable to offer. I think I will take up Brad on his kind offer. I may need a week or two before trying it though.. I just had surgery last week and will need another in 2-3 weeks. So I’m laying low until all is well.. Best wishes on a speedy recovery, and while we’re at it, happy hols! Awesome of Brad to offer, and will be interested to hear what you think. If I were to guess .... Cheers, Geoff
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Post by mrholmes on Dec 23, 2019 3:05:55 GMT -6
If someone was going to go down the SSL small scale or scaleable summing mixer route I believe the majority would want to chase the 4K sound. In theory this would be pretty easy but in really you would first need the VCA’s that means you could add some simple automation but I think most would still be disappointed because so much of the tone of a 4K is all the other crap including those having to do with recall. See the big console companies dilemma. They have ben famous for a technology and now the big furniture is going. To invent something like the SB is a logical step. SSL jumped very late on this. Innovation is no longer in big brands hands. Times changed and many CEOs don't get it. Small companies are faster with new ideas. What is left for brands like SSL. The fame of yesteryears. Now they try it with an overpriced Mackie Mini Mixer. When I saw it I was trying to understand if they make money with this. The only thing that bucks me why don't they attack Allen and Heath. They build solid mixers for home recording which do sound great. I used one for years. If SSL would do it on a little higher level in China and would reach a price point about 1,5 to 2,0 k...it would make think to spend money.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 23, 2019 6:44:59 GMT -6
If someone was going to go down the SSL small scale or scaleable summing mixer route I believe the majority would want to chase the 4K sound. In theory this would be pretty easy but in really you would first need the VCA’s that means you could add some simple automation but I think most would still be disappointed because so much of the tone of a 4K is all the other crap including those having to do with recall. See the big console companies dilemma. They have ben famous for a technology and now the big furniture is going. To invent something like the SB is a logical step. SSL jumped very late on this. Innovation is no longer in big brands hands. Times changed and many CEOs don't get it. Small companies are faster with new ideas. What is left for brands like SSL. The fame of yesteryears. Now they try it with an overpriced Mackie Mini Mixer. When I saw it I was trying to understand if they make money with this. The only thing that bucks me why don't they attack Allen and Heath. They build solid mixers for home recording which do sound great. I used one for years. If SSL would do it on a little higher level in China and would reach a price point about 1,5 to 2,0 k...it would make think to spend money. SSL and A&H are owned by the same company. It wouldn't make sense for SSL to go cheaper than they have with the Six. They need to keep the premium brand premium.
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Post by mrholmes on Dec 23, 2019 8:04:48 GMT -6
See the big console companies dilemma. They have ben famous for a technology and now the big furniture is going. To invent something like the SB is a logical step. SSL jumped very late on this. Innovation is no longer in big brands hands. Times changed and many CEOs don't get it. Small companies are faster with new ideas. What is left for brands like SSL. The fame of yesteryears. Now they try it with an overpriced Mackie Mini Mixer. When I saw it I was trying to understand if they make money with this. The only thing that bucks me why don't they attack Allen and Heath. They build solid mixers for home recording which do sound great. I used one for years. If SSL would do it on a little higher level in China and would reach a price point about 1,5 to 2,0 k...it would make think to spend money. SSL and A&H are owned by the same company. It wouldn't make sense for SSL to go cheaper than they have with the Six. They need to keep the premium brand premium.
Did not know that I thought SSL still is owned by Peter Gabriel. In this case its different story but I have doubts that many people will buy this expensive Chinese made Mini-Mixer.
But maybe I am wrong saw many people buying bad Gibson's just because it was a Gibson.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Dec 23, 2019 9:36:50 GMT -6
Thanks so much everyone. I'm petty sure I'll pass on the SSL Six after considering all the insights and helpful tips here. So far the 2 Bus + came the closest to what I was looking for, so trying the Silver Bullet will be a great help in knowing where to set my sights, even if can't quite afford it yet.
Brad, I sent you a PM.
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Post by adamjbrass on Dec 23, 2019 9:49:17 GMT -6
I doubt it, but I'll check with my friends at Alto Music, in case there's one I can try there. If you can't find one available to try, I have a demo that we could send you. Just pay shipping and check it out for 2-weeks.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Dec 23, 2019 12:10:51 GMT -6
Dang, that's a wonderful offer Adam. I'm in the middle of some surgeries right now and will be in better shape in 2-3 weeks, (hopefully). Can I hit you up then?
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Post by adamjbrass on Dec 23, 2019 12:40:42 GMT -6
Dang, that's a wonderful offer Adam. I'm in the middle of some surgeries right now and will be in better shape in 2-3 weeks, (hopefully). Can I hit you up then? absolutely! Wishing you the best and a speedy recovery!
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Post by BradM on Dec 23, 2019 14:37:46 GMT -6
Thanks so much everyone. I'm petty sure I'll pass on the SSL Six after considering all the insights and helpful tips here. So far the 2 Bus + came the closest to what I was looking for, so trying the Silver Bullet will be a great help in knowing where to set my sights, even if can't quite afford it yet. Brad, I sent you a PM. Hey Martin, I'll check my PM's. For what it's worth I happen to have a Dangerous 2-Bus+ for sale so either way I might have something that could work for you. talk soon, Brad
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 24, 2019 12:57:08 GMT -6
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Post by drbill on Dec 24, 2019 13:13:19 GMT -6
I think the question to ask and answer FIRST is whether or not you want a "console style" workflow, or a console "sound". Until you figure this out, you're going to be chasing your tail. Cause all of these cheap mixers are not going to give you a traditional console "sound". The SiX is not going to sound like. a SSL4000. Neither will the Allen Heath. They will give you faders and a work surface, and a bunch of cables attached. For "sound", there are much better approaches than an inexpensive mixer.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Dec 24, 2019 13:16:46 GMT -6
Thanks Dr. Bill, Kcat. It's the SOUND I want, definitely, If SSL had gone for perhaps double or triple the price, added a few more preamp channels and made the compressors more full featured, it would be worth it I think.
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Post by drbill on Dec 24, 2019 13:24:00 GMT -6
Thanks Dr. Bill, Kcat. It's the SOUND I want, definitely, If SSL had gone for perhaps double or triple the price, added a few more preamp channels and made the compressors more full featured, it would be worth it I think. Then a Silver Bullet is a better choice IM - although I thoroughly admit to being biased.
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