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Thanks, Ken.
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Post by chessparov on Aug 1, 2020 2:31:17 GMT -6
I'm certain one of my mics, is actually part of a rebadged Chinese Nunchuck.
The high pass switch, gives it away.
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Post by chessparov on Aug 1, 2020 2:45:20 GMT -6
Repeat after me “ we will never ever, ever sell a RELABLED generic Chinese microphone” 😁 "After me" (you said to repeat it) "I hereby solemnly swear to only sell under OUR own libel-I mean label"  Chris |
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Post by Ward on Aug 1, 2020 8:30:19 GMT -6
Repeat after me “ we will never ever, ever sell a relabeled generic Chinese microphone” 😁 I DON'T GET IT. IF I RELABEL SOMETHING AND SELL IT FOR A HIGHER PRICE I SHOULD COME UP WITH A STORY THAT LUNES UP. SOMETHING LIKE.... WE REPLACE CAPSULES AND TUBES WITH.... THERE'S A REASON WHY THE FAMOUS BRANDS DON'T NEED TO TELL BS MARKETING ....BTW MG IS NOT DOING REAL MARKETING AT ALL. KUDOS TO PEOPLE NOT TELLING ME BS UP FRONT. AND BTW WAS IT A DIFFERENCE WHEN MY UMT 70 WAS BACK FROM MAINTENANCE. HURRA IT WAS AND THE CHINESE CHEAPO WENT BACK INTO STORAGE.... DO I STILL LOVE MY KM184 EVEN IF I SAVE UP FOR AN 84. YES I DO...
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Post by chessparov on Aug 1, 2020 13:57:52 GMT -6
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Post by allenlowe on Sept 27, 2020 7:47:38 GMT -6
I am a new member here, found this thread after actually purchasing one of these Little Red Monsters, based on that Tape Op Review and a few others. I am an amateur pro - meaning I am a professional saxophonist but an amateur recording engineer, love to record my own stuff and, though I am not on the level of anyone here, I have good ears and am able to self-produce decent-sounding stuff. Been looking for another affordable tube mic, and, stupidly, I fell for the on-line hype and the reviews of supposedly knowledgeable people; I should have listened to you guys here. The mic is terrible, sounds foggy, grainy, and not as good as the one or two 87 fet knockoffs I own (or even some inexpensive ribbons). I recorded myself on tenor and alto and was somewhat shocked at how poorly it worked,
It went back yesterday (fortunately they have a return policy, but I don't think they are gonna pay me double).
Lesson learned.
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Post by Tbone81 on Sept 27, 2020 17:32:29 GMT -6
Goddamn I can't wait for Tommy to chime in. My money is on the "you must have gotten a broken one" response.
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Post by ericn on Sept 27, 2020 18:21:07 GMT -6
I am a new member here, found this thread after actually purchasing one of these Little Red Monsters, based on that Tape Op Review and a few others. I am an amateur pro - meaning I am a professional saxophonist but an amateur recording engineer, love to record my own stuff and, though I am not on the level of anyone here, I have good ears and am able to self-produce decent-sounding stuff. Been looking for another affordable tube mic, and, stupidly, I fell for the on-line hype and the reviews of supposedly knowledgeable people; I should have listened to you guys here. The mic is terrible, sounds foggy, grainy, and not as good as the one or two 87 fet knockoffs I own (or even some inexpensive ribbons). I recorded myself on tenor and alto and was somewhat shocked at how poorly it worked,
It went back yesterday (fortunately they have a return policy, but I don't think they are gonna pay me double).
Lesson learned.
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Post by johneppstein on Sept 27, 2020 20:29:41 GMT -6
Johnepstein old buddy I love your spunk. But the world ain't flat, I promise it's round. You keep mis-applying my words, and showing your lack of knowledge. I know the differnce in an AKG capsules and and M7/K7 capsule seeing how I make em. You want to see our non-center terminated breakthrough aluminum capsule prototype to prove it? Or an AKG capsule in our lab? Do you know what a transducer is? And Yes condenser is a capacitor of sorts that uses minuscule amounts of electricity. In fact in the old world they still refer to them in some parts as capacitor mics. And the anachoic chamber can be used to block out all noise in order to MEASURE transformer hum by golly. Not as a shield for a transformer. I'm not your enemy brother. Too much there for me to keep going on. Busy here. Really busy. And cheap tube? Come on man. A straight 12AX7 is a noisy bitch. Thank God we don't use one! And the hand made German tube we do use ain't cheap. (We use a 12AX7 WAR) It cost more than the average tube used by any of my competitors. Then there is the 7025's we use in our 47's - real 7025's I might add - military grade. Now I have a collection of everything from old Mullards, Telefunkens, and a variety of very expensive NOS RCA 7025's from the 60s. But our hand made German tube beats them all and yes all of this was a daring concept design wise. God bless you Epstein. Hope we can get real with each other sooner rather than later. You can talk directly to me. Call me Tommy. In regards, shootouts - I'm game as described otherwise a small studio in Virginia already kicked the crap out of the pristine legacy recordings of Frank Sinatra using our mics and and Avalon 737 on vocal and I forget what he used on clean guitar cabinet off the top of my head. None of this work did I solicit or pay for. I'm super super grateful for the contributions. Wish you guys would LISTEN to the mic. That's what you do for a living. Make and judge great sound. Right??? Come on! I'll help you any way I can. And, yes, the guys that make your BL mics and your Ne mics and your Te mics are all mostly in Ningbho! The really really good manufacturers are there! You are already buying that "crap!" I do use German stuff and Russian stuff, etc. too, in my mics. OK, Tommy, you want me to "get real" with you? Here goes, you better sit down.
A 12AX7 is a 12AX7. They are NOT microphone tubes - too much gain to start with. A premium 12AX7 is still a 12AX7. They are great guitar amp tubes. They are by no stretch of the imagination a proper tube for any professional microphone. All REAL 7025s are Mil spec - that's what a REAL 7025 is - a Mil Spec 12AX7. To my knowledge thery have not been produced for decades Most that I've seen/used were produced by RCA in the good ole USA. You really don't want my lecture on the crap tubes coming from the previous Communist bloc. Suffice it to say that they do not have either the tooling or the metallurgy to reproduce the old premium tubes. And let's not even bother talking about the lost knowledge and craftsmanship.
"Hand made German tube"? They don't even MAKE tubes in Germany anymore and haven't for decades. What kind of fools do you think we are? As I understand it the restriction of technolgy for ecological reasons makes manufacture of tubes illegal except in the former Communist bloc, where they don't care about the planet.
Do you understand that ELA M mics did not ever use 12AX7s, and to change the tube type in the mic fundamentally changes everything about it?
Understand, I'm not some dumb bozo on the internet - I'm 70 years old and have been in audio for well over 50 years. I service teched for many of the top stores in the San Francisco Bay Area, 2 dedicated service facilities, The M. Hohner company (West coast factory service tech), and Bill Graham's FM productions. I knew Klaus Heyne before he bacame one of the world's top mic gurus. I have a collection of over 85 microphones. I'm been an internationally touring guitar tech (not that that is relevant here). I've been a live mix engineer, operated my own sound company, and have my own studio with over $200,000 worth of gear (that makes me a "small" studio by traditional standards. I run a 24 track Studer and a 32 channel, 64 input British console. I'm not going to bother listing the artists I've worked with in one way or another. Can't remember all of them, anyway, but lets say that they range from Robert Fripp to Mary Wells, to the Butthole Surfers and RHCP, to the top 5 Cal metal bands beginning with the letter "M". I've been into mics since before you could walk, probably since before you were born.
I own ZERO mics with Chinese capsules (edit:except one that I haven't ditched yet, purchased for the body shell for a DIY build I never got around to) - I have in the past but never used them for anything serious - gave most of them away.
Your Chinese capsules are JUNK. The really good manufacturers are NOT there, they are in Europe and the USA. Heiserman, Thiersh, Neumann, Pearlman, original AKG, etc.
"And Yes condenser is a capacitor of sorts that uses minuscule amounts of electricity." Do you understand how green and dumb that sounds here? Evidently not. And no, caps do not "use" electricity in the way you seem to think. Capacitors are PASSIVE components - they don't actually "use" electricity, they control the flow of electricity. It appears you don't really understand the difference.
You ask "Do I know what a transducer is?" Do you have any idea what a FOOL that makes you on this forum?
And you're too stupid to even spell my name correctly. It's EPPSTEIN - TWO "P"s. That's NOT a typo. Get it right, Tummy.
Not interested in "a small studio in Virginia" that nobody knows about. You might as well say "My dog says it's a great mic." Send your mic to Vincent or Martin for a proper comparison. We don't know your anonymous "small studio in Virginia" and frankly don't want to. They probably don't own any mics good enough to use as a reference.
Have you ever been inside a real anechoic chamber or only read about them? I have, BTW, at least twice. There are only a handful of real anechoic chambers in the USA, owned mostly by universities and the US government.
Avalon made good stuff for the prosumer market 20 years ago. It's not well thought of now by most serious people.
You want to "help" us "understand" your mic? Send it to Vincent. But you won't because you're chicken. BrrAWWWK!!
And yes, "condenser" is a somewhat archaic synonym for "capacitor." D'Oh!
But please keep coming back. The comedy is appreciated, although the insults are not.
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Post by Vincent R. on Sept 27, 2020 22:19:04 GMT -6
I am a new member here, found this thread after actually purchasing one of these Little Red Monsters, based on that Tape Op Review and a few others. I am an amateur pro - meaning I am a professional saxophonist but an amateur recording engineer, love to record my own stuff and, though I am not on the level of anyone here, I have good ears and am able to self-produce decent-sounding stuff. Been looking for another affordable tube mic, and, stupidly, I fell for the on-line hype and the reviews of supposedly knowledgeable people; I should have listened to you guys here. The mic is terrible, sounds foggy, grainy, and not as good as the one or two 87 fet knockoffs I own (or even some inexpensive ribbons). I recorded myself on tenor and alto and was somewhat shocked at how poorly it worked,
It went back yesterday (fortunately they have a return policy, but I don't think they are gonna pay me double).
Lesson learned.
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Post by allenlowe on Sept 28, 2020 10:43:32 GMT -6
thanks; just starting to get back into live recording of what is basically acoustic jazz after a long layoff (got very sick last year; doing
very well now). Love the sound of Roy DuNann and Contemporary Records the most of all the "old" school things. Definitely also a tube sound plus
also a "room" sound. Right now, where I live, I am looking for a nice, clean-sounding, semi-reverberent spot.
And yes, I will browse a bit and ask questions as needed.
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Post by chessparov on Sept 28, 2020 12:57:41 GMT -6
Johnepstein old buddy I love your spunk. But the world ain't flat, I promise it's round. You keep mis-applying my words, and showing your lack of knowledge. I know the differnce in an AKG capsules and and M7/K7 capsule seeing how I make em. You want to see our non-center terminated breakthrough aluminum capsule prototype to prove it? Or an AKG capsule in our lab? Do you know what a transducer is? And Yes condenser is a capacitor of sorts that uses minuscule amounts of electricity. In fact in the old world they still refer to them in some parts as capacitor mics. And the anachoic chamber can be used to block out all noise in order to MEASURE transformer hum by golly. Not as a shield for a transformer. I'm not your enemy brother. Too much there for me to keep going on. Busy here. Really busy. And cheap tube? Come on man. A straight 12AX7 is a noisy bitch. Thank God we don't use one! And the hand made German tube we do use ain't cheap. (We use a 12AX7 WAR) It cost more than the average tube used by any of my competitors. Then there is the 7025's we use in our 47's - real 7025's I might add - military grade. Now I have a collection of everything from old Mullards, Telefunkens, and a variety of very expensive NOS RCA 7025's from the 60s. But our hand made German tube beats them all and yes all of this was a daring concept design wise. God bless you Epstein. Hope we can get real with each other sooner rather than later. You can talk directly to me. Call me Tommy. In regards, shootouts - I'm game as described otherwise a small studio in Virginia already kicked the crap out of the pristine legacy recordings of Frank Sinatra using our mics and and Avalon 737 on vocal and I forget what he used on clean guitar cabinet off the top of my head. None of this work did I solicit or pay for. I'm super super grateful for the contributions. Wish you guys would LISTEN to the mic. That's what you do for a living. Make and judge great sound. Right??? Come on! I'll help you any way I can. And, yes, the guys that make your BL mics and your Ne mics and your Te mics are all mostly in Ningbho! The really really good manufacturers are there! You are already buying that "crap!" I do use German stuff and Russian stuff, etc. too, in my mics. OK, Tommy, you want me to "get real" with you? Here goes, you better sit down.
A 12AX7 is a 12AX7. They are NOT microphone tubes - too much gain to start with. A premium 12AX7 is still a 12AX7. They are great guitar amp tubes. They are by no stretch of the imagination a proper tube for any professional microphone. All REAL 7025s are Mil spec - that's what a REAL 7025 is - a Mil Spec 12AX7. To my knowledge thery have not been produced for decades Most that I've seen/used were produced by RCA in the good ole USA. You really don't want my lecture on the crap tubes coming from the previous Communist bloc. Suffice it to say that they do not have either the tooling or the metallurgy to reproduce the old premium tubes. And let's not even bother talking about the lost knowledge and craftsmanship.
"Hand made German tube"? They don't even MAKE tubes in Germany anymore and haven't for decades. What kind of fools do you think we are? As I understand it the restriction of technolgy for ecological reasons makes manufacture of tubes illegal except in the former Communist bloc, where they don't care about the planet.
Fo you understand that ELA M mics did not ever use 12AX7s, and to change the tube type in the mic fundamentally changes everything about it?
Understand, I'm not some dumb bozo on the internet - I'm 70 years old and have been in audio for well over 50 years. I service teched for many of the top stores in the San Francisco Bay Area, 2 dedicated service facilities, The M. Hohner company (West coast factory service tech), and Bill Graham's FM productions. I knew Klaus Heyne before he bacame one of the world's top mic gurus. I have a collection of over 85 microphones. I'm been an internationally touring guitar tech (not that that is relevant here). I've been a live mix engineer, operated my own sound company, and have my own studio with over $200,000 worth of gear (that makes me a "small" studio by traditional standards. I run a 24 track Studer and a 32 channel, 64 input British console. I'm not going to bother listing the artists I've worked with in one way or another. Can't remember all of them, anyway, but lets say that they range from Robert Fripp to Mary Wells, to the Butthole Surfers and RHCP, to the top 5 Cal metal bands beginning with the letter "M". I've been into mics since before you could walk, probably since before you were born.
I own ZERO mics with Chinese capsules (edit:except one that I haven't ditched yet, purchased for the body shell for a DIY build I never got around to) - I have in the past but never used them for anything serious - gave most of them away.
Your Chinese capsules are JUNK. The really good manufacturers are NOT there, they are in Europe and the USA. Heiserman, Thiersh, Neumann, Pearlman, original AKG, etc.
"And Yes condenser is a capacitor of sorts that uses minuscule amounts of electricity." Do you understand how green and dumb that sounds here? Evidently not. And no, caps do not "use" electricity in the way you seem to think. Capacitors are PASSIVE components - they don't actually "use" electricity, they control the flow of electricity. It appears you don't really understand the difference.
You ask "Do I know what a transducer is?" Do you have any idea what a FOOL that makes you on this forum?
And you're too stupid to even spell my name correctly. It's EPPSTEIN - TWO "P"s. That's NOT a typo. Get it right, Tummy.
Not interested in "a small studio in Virginia" that nobody knows about. You might as well say "My dog says it's a great mic." Send your mic to Vincent or Martin for a proper comparison. We don't know your anonymous "small studio in Virginia" and frankly don't want to. They probably don't own any mics good enough to use as a reference.
Have you ever been inside a real anechoic chamber or only read about them? I have, BTW, at least twice. There are only a handful of real anechoic chambers in the USA, owned mostly by universities and the US government.
Avalon made good stuff for the prosumer market 20 years ago. It's not well thought of now by most serious people.
You want to "help" us "understand" your mic? Send it to Vincent. But you won't because you're chicken. BrrAWWWK!!
And yes, "condenser" is a somewhat archaic synonym for "capacitor." D'Oh!
But please keep coming back. The comedy is appreciated, although the insults are not.
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Post by ericn on Sept 28, 2020 14:15:00 GMT -6
thanks; just starting to get back into live recording of what is basically acoustic jazz after a long layoff (got very sick last year; doing very well now). Love the sound of Roy DuNann and Contemporary Records the most of all the "old" school things. Definitely also a tube sound plus also a "room" sound. Right now, where I live, I am looking for a nice, clean-sounding, semi-reverberent spot. And yes, I will browse a bit and ask questions as needed. It’s not sexy, expensive as hell but the room is the most important part of the “studio”. My advice is start an introduction thread and we can try to help you along this journey. The amount of talent here is astounding, though we might not all agree on anything, for the most part me do respect each other. |
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Post by jcgriggs on Sept 28, 2020 14:24:26 GMT -6
Goddamn I can't wait for Tommy to chime in. My money is on the "you must have gotten a broken one" response.
Cheers, John
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Post by gwlee7 on Sept 28, 2020 16:15:43 GMT -6
thanks; just starting to get back into live recording of what is basically acoustic jazz after a long layoff (got very sick last year; doing very well now). Love the sound of Roy DuNann and Contemporary Records the most of all the "old" school things. Definitely also a tube sound plus also a "room" sound. Right now, where I live, I am looking for a nice, clean-sounding, semi-reverberent spot. And yes, I will browse a bit and ask questions as needed. It’s not sexy, expensive as hell but the room is the most important part of the “studio”. My advice is start an introduction thread and we can try to help you along this journey. The amount of talent here is astounding, though we might not all agree on anything, for the most part me do respect each other. This. I wanted to spend a bunch of money on the “cool” stuff but was convinced by people who had my long term best interests at heart to get my room sounding as good as I could first. Then the “cool” stuff would actually make a difference. They were correct. |
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Post by chessparov on Sept 28, 2020 22:27:47 GMT -6
"The amount of talent here is astounding"-Eric Thanks Eric, but enough about...ME! Chris |
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Post by Ward on Sept 29, 2020 6:42:30 GMT -6
Tommy can you hear me?
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Post by ericn on Sept 29, 2020 6:53:32 GMT -6
"The amount of talent here is astounding"-Eric Thanks Eric, but enough about...ME! Chris Ah Chris, how do I break it to you. Man love you like a brother, but ah dude I was talking about DONR😎 |
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Post by gwlee7 on Sept 29, 2020 9:26:17 GMT -6
"The amount of talent here is astounding"-Eric Thanks Eric, but enough about...ME! Chris Ah Chris, how do I break it to you. Man love you like a brother, but ah dude I was talking about DONR😎 Lol. Chris, "Don't Turn Your Back". |
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Post by rowmat on Sept 29, 2020 11:24:37 GMT -6
Tommy? Tommy?? Testing... Testing... 1,2,3 TESTING!! |
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Post by rowmat on Sept 29, 2020 11:28:53 GMT -6
OK, Tommy, you want me to "get real" with you? Here goes, you better sit down... "
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Post by tommy on Apr 5, 2021 6:23:34 GMT -6
People who love our mics: Robert Rodriguez - famed Producer and Movie Maker, Disney, Mike Kosacek - Contributor for TAPEOP MAGAZINE, Jonathan Grossman - Sound Producer for many famous movies,including CRAZY RICH ASIANS, Mark Del Castillo - famed Music Producer and Engineer, Guitar wizard for the world famous band DEL CASTILLO, Max Vox, Famed Voice Actor you here every day if you watch TV. These are all organic and real customers that we neither sought out or paid any kind of money to. These are but a few...
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Post by ragan on Apr 5, 2021 8:26:22 GMT -6
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Post by johneppstein on Apr 6, 2021 17:50:20 GMT -6
And Johnepstein again I appreciate your input but I have some key photos from the Heiserman website showing lots of Chinese caps, etc in their gear. Tommy, I'm going to have to call you a liar. Heiserman has no such photos on their website.I suppose that it's possible they had such photos years and years ago, but using such photos a "proof" that they use Chinese capsules is really low cheating.Making such slurs against highly respected competition does not do anything for either your reputation or the "reputation" of your company.BTW, I don't know what you mean by "ain't cheap" but it's a Chinese 12AX7 and there are no 12AX7s I've heard of that are in current production that are NOT cheap tubes (by microphone standards)- cheap being anything below say, $35. It is not uncommon for a selected, quality mic tube to run $100 or more.BTW, there are no tubes being manufactured in Germany and have not been for decades - half a century, in fact. Why? Environmental laws. There are no tubes in production outside the former members of the Communist bloc. Period. So NO, you're not using a German tube. |
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