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Post by stormymondays on Nov 21, 2019 17:32:16 GMT -6
Audience. I used to do drummer perspective way back.
Recently, I asked my drummer. He said he likes audience perspective, he likes to “feel like he’s watching the band”, not be in the band. Makes sense to me!
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Post by swafford on Nov 21, 2019 17:33:08 GMT -6
Audience, because only drummers care and fvck them.
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Post by svart on Nov 21, 2019 17:48:22 GMT -6
Only a serial killer would mix audience perspective The odds are astronomical that there'd be more than one of us in this thread.
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Post by drbill on Nov 21, 2019 17:50:11 GMT -6
Audience, though I don't think many, if any, people who aren't musicians or engineers would notice. That's it exactly. They have no idea which side the HH is on. LOL
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Post by EmRR on Nov 21, 2019 17:55:42 GMT -6
I play drums, I mix audience...drummers don't complain about it, ever.
It's not about you, drum perspective guys!
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Post by levon on Nov 22, 2019 5:31:27 GMT -6
Audience of course. Anything else is wrong. There is no right or wrong in music. To each their own. I prefer player's perspective. From an audience perspective, drums are mono anyway.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 22, 2019 5:34:49 GMT -6
Audience of course. Anything else is wrong. There is no right or wrong in music. To each their own. I prefer player's perspective. From an audience perspective, drums are mono anyway. I was literally thinking about this laying in bed last night. Drums are panned wide when you're playing, but much more center from audience. Drummer it is!
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Post by levon on Nov 22, 2019 5:36:15 GMT -6
Bingo!
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Post by schmalzy on Nov 22, 2019 5:41:52 GMT -6
For me it changes. In the end, I don't really care or fuss much about it.
I often end up making records with people who exist in one of two different musical worlds and my initial decision on which panning perspective is based on which of those two worlds we're in at the time.
One is "commercial" music. Music that is hoping to make fans out of anyone in the world who loves music for the big picture. Often poppy, folky, or country-y but sometimes the "active rock" thing and definitely anything that sounds electronic. Everything electronic is completely open to interpretation and lacks rigid audience-expectations (and that's one of the things I love about it).
The other is music for musicians or musician-esque folks who really love music in the "details" way. Music that is showing off its chops or is for a niche fan group. If a listener who doesn't own a drum set WOULD air drum it or air guitar it. Often times it's really heavy, mathy, or complicated.
Commercial music gets audience-perspective. Music for musicians is drummer-perspective.
I'll gladly change it at any time (but it almost ALWAYS requires a lot of other things be swapped around). If anyone in the band is going to care about where a specific thing is in the mix and they have the social/musical pull to make the record-making process suck, I'll just give them what they want with the thing they care about most and make everything else work around it.
Long post for a short answer of "both."
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Post by EmRR on Nov 22, 2019 6:19:30 GMT -6
Audience of course. Anything else is wrong. There is no right or wrong in music. To each their own. I prefer player's perspective. From an audience perspective, drums are mono anyway. Now that everything’s reduced to house shows or bars that hold 12 people, drums are definitely stereo.
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Post by svart on Nov 22, 2019 6:38:39 GMT -6
Audience of course. Anything else is wrong. There is no right or wrong in music. To each their own. I prefer player's perspective. From an audience perspective, drums are mono anyway. It's a joke.. it really doesn't matter! If someone is upset that it's drummer vs. audience, just tell them the drummer was left handed and it's audience, just backwards.
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Post by phantom on Nov 22, 2019 6:39:27 GMT -6
Yes! Drummers Perspective won!
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Post by levon on Nov 22, 2019 6:56:49 GMT -6
There is no right or wrong in music. To each their own. I prefer player's perspective. From an audience perspective, drums are mono anyway. Now that everything’s reduced to house shows or bars that hold 12 people, drums are definitely stereo. Even in bars that hold 12 people, drums sound mono when you sit 2 meters away. I'm sure even the bass player next to the drummer perceives drums as mono.
But, to each their own.
BTW, people here, who say 'fvck drummers', can go play with themselves.
And people who say 'my drummer' should be reminded that Mick Jagger once got punched in the face by Charlie Watts for saying that. And rightly so.
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Post by mcirish on Nov 22, 2019 9:40:53 GMT -6
I think the average listener would not care. Thus, I go with what musicians want and that's drummer perspective. Audience perspective drives me crazy. Non-musicians don't care.
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Post by drsax on Nov 22, 2019 10:14:51 GMT -6
Audience perspective... Cuz my high frequency hearing is better in my right ear - so I can be more attentive to the hi hat eq/level when the HH is on the right
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 10:19:28 GMT -6
I mix from the soundguy standing outside the venue having a smoke while the band plays perspective.
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Post by matt@IAA on Nov 22, 2019 11:07:42 GMT -6
Only a serial killer would mix audience perspective Truth
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Post by sean on Nov 22, 2019 13:58:49 GMT -6
Drummers. When tracking if for some reason it’s panned the other way drummers will say the drums are “backwards” in their headphones.
Unless left handed...which there are couple I’ve recorded. Then I’ll turn their drums around after they leave 😆
I also like playing air drums and the hi hats on my left when I do that.
Sometimes mono drums sound better too.
Everyone has their reasons for doing it their way but I’m not going to die or “refuse to listen to a mix because it’s wrong the other way” like some engineers I’ve read interviews from.
When I mix live sound I usually mix mono anyway so “audience perspective” doesn’t mean much then
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Post by Bender on Nov 22, 2019 14:10:22 GMT -6
I'm doing drummers perspective 90% of the time, been playing around with mono more and more lately and then pepper in a little stereo room mic action.
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Post by ragan on Nov 22, 2019 14:52:23 GMT -6
I mostly think dramatic panning on drums sounds weak and diffuse. I like things punched up in the center and the sides left open for other parts of the arrangement (obviously completely subjective). But when I lean things one way or another, I always do it from the drummer's perspective. Been playing drums too long to hear it any other way I guess.
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Post by Guitar on Nov 22, 2019 14:55:01 GMT -6
Mono is a great answer also. Neither here nor there, but everywhere.
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Post by johneppstein on Nov 22, 2019 14:57:22 GMT -6
I go old school and pan all drums to the right side. That's probably what John said above. 😁😂😂 Nope, straight up the middle for me! Maybe if the band usually set up with drums on the side, but still probably not.
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Post by Guitar on Nov 22, 2019 15:02:41 GMT -6
That's probably what John said above. 😁😂😂 Nope, straight up the middle for me! Maybe if the band usually set up with drums on the side, but still probably not. Yeah, but band perspective of drums on the side or audience perspective? Because everyone (no one) really wants to know!
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Post by christopher on Nov 22, 2019 16:37:41 GMT -6
I was doing audience perspective, but then I had 3 clients in a week who wanted tom fills to pan from hard left to hard right, complaining that air drumming was messed up without it. I don’t know anyone with rack toms left of hats, but whatever.. customer always right.
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Post by iamasound on Nov 23, 2019 7:55:40 GMT -6
I only record barbershop quartets, and always with just one microphone, but imagine it from a drummer sitting in the audience's perspective.
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