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Post by Martin John Butler on Jun 28, 2020 9:27:51 GMT -6
I like 1 and 2 Ragan, They're really good. As usual, the music is great!
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Post by ragan on Jun 28, 2020 9:42:13 GMT -6
I like 1 and 2 Ragan, They're really good. As usual, the music is great! Thanks Martin. That’s Tom Petty’s “One More Day, One More Night” I was doing a little jam on for these tests.
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Post by indiehouse on Jun 29, 2020 14:59:51 GMT -6
To me, 3 seems like it had the most drive, then 2, followed by 1. You could really tell when you start digging into the strings in the solo parts. Either that, or 3 really has some woofy mud in it. The others seem clearer in comparison. Guitar 2 has the least amount of bottom, sounded the thinnest. I still think guitar 3 has the most "fizzy" top end with more drive. Honestly, I think they're all good. Maybe 1 is my favorite. Seems like it sits in the middle of 2 and 3.
I'm gonna take a stab at guessing, but I'll most likely be wrong. I'm gonna say guitar 3 is the Suhr RL with amp. Guitar 2 is the Iridium and guitar 1 is the TH-U (of course, with it being my favorite, it's the one I don't have).
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Post by indiehouse on Jun 29, 2020 18:52:49 GMT -6
Are these using the same cab IR’s?
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Post by ragan on Jun 30, 2020 2:13:27 GMT -6
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jun 30, 2020 12:35:11 GMT -6
For the first, I like 1, 2, 3 in order. For the second I like D, E, in order.
Can you DM the results?
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Post by indiehouse on Jul 1, 2020 6:52:44 GMT -6
I'm torn on this one. To me, this sounds like two different flavors on the same platform. Maybe a Fender and Marshall setting? Guitar D was mid scooped compared to the more forward (and slightly more open sounding) Guitar E. Guitar E sounded more "springy" to me, meaning I heard more string rattle, I heard better note separation (more definition of the panned guitars tucked in the back during the leads), more of that slapback delay on the guitars. The more scooped Guitar D sounded a little darker and a little more compressed to me. Honestly, I like both for different reasons. I wonder which one would give more room for the vocal? Maybe the scooped Guitar D? But personal preference, I think I like Guitar E better, I just like that sound better than a scooped amp.
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Post by Guitar on Jul 1, 2020 10:14:13 GMT -6
I guess I prefer guitar D here it's just a little more exciting than Guitar E.
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Post by indiehouse on Jul 2, 2020 13:26:24 GMT -6
What’s the verdict/reveal?
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Post by mike on Jul 2, 2020 14:19:14 GMT -6
I like 1 the most and D out of the other 2 and agree with Martin, the music sounds great!
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Post by ragan on Jul 2, 2020 14:22:42 GMT -6
What’s the verdict/reveal? Guitars A: TH-U Guitars B: Suhr RL Guitars C: Iridium These were some DI tracks I already had and I just re-amped to check these various methods out. I just used the IRs that I had already loaded onto the Iridium (and used the same ones within TH-U). So the IRs for each part were the same across the three methods. ---------------------- Guitars 1: Suhr RL Guitars 2: Iridium Guitars 3: TH-U With these, I used the IRs I'd already picked/loaded for the Iridium but for the Suhr I picked out IRs specifically for it (though I had them hosted on the Iridium, in amp bypass mode). Picked specific IRs for TH-U as well, just trying to get good sounds, not match all the IRs. ---------------------- Guitars D: Suhr RL Guitars E: mic'd amps Here, instead of printing through IRs hosted on the Iridium, I recorded the signal straight out of the Suhr and then applied IRs within the DAW. This let me go through and put the multi-mic IRs on separate channels and treat them like I do when I multi-mic (like in Guitars E). So grab the 57 and then decide to blend it with some 121 or 421 or U87 or whatever. This last test surprised me, pleasantly. I picked the Suhr (blind) over the actual mic'd amps. I really like both but I prefer the Suhr version. This is what I'm gonna go with going forward. I've re-positioned my amps so they're within reach at mix position and am making up the cabling to have everything tidy. Oh, and the amps are a Deluxe Reverb 68RI and an AC15 (C1). Attachments:
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Post by indiehouse on Jul 2, 2020 14:44:44 GMT -6
Wow! Very interesting. So, does this sway your opinion of the Iridium?
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Post by indiehouse on Jul 2, 2020 14:45:43 GMT -6
Would the Suhr tracks help you dial in the Iridium a little closer? Seems like it lacks a little bottom comparatively.
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Post by ragan on Jul 2, 2020 14:51:14 GMT -6
I think that is the Iridium's main deficiency, a little lack of weight/bottom. I still like it, I think it's a great device and among the best of modelers. But I like the amp/Suhr approach better.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 2, 2020 14:55:43 GMT -6
What’s the verdict/reveal? Guitars A: TH-U Guitars B: Suhr RL Guitars C: Iridium These were some DI tracks I already had and I just re-amped to check these various methods out. I just used the IRs that I had already loaded onto the Iridium (and used the same ones within TH-U). So the IRs for each part were the same across the three methods. ---------------------- Guitars 1: Suhr RL Guitars 2: Iridium Guitars 3: TH-U With these, I used the IRs I'd already picked/loaded for the Iridium but for the Suhr I picked out IRs specifically for it (though I had them hosted on the Iridium, in amp bypass mode). Picked specific IRs for TH-U as well, just trying to get good sounds, not match all the IRs. ---------------------- Guitars D: Suhr RL Guitars E: mic'd amps Here, instead of printing through IRs hosted on the Iridium, I recorded the signal straight out of the Suhr and then applied IRs within the DAW. This let me go through and put the multi-mic IRs on separate channels and treat them like I do when I multi-mic (like in Guitars E). So grab the 57 and then decide to blend it with some 121 or 421 or U87 or whatever. This last test surprised me, pleasantly. I picked the Suhr (blind) over the actual mic'd amps. I really like both but I prefer the Suhr version. This is what I'm gonna go with going forward. I've re-positioned my amps so they're within reach at mix position and am making up the cabling to have everything tidy. Oh, and the amps are a Deluxe Reverb 68RI and an AC15 (C1). Drip edge. Sexy
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 2, 2020 16:45:58 GMT -6
I have a Drip Edge Axe FX
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Post by jeremygillespie on Jul 2, 2020 17:35:28 GMT -6
Hey Ragan, what’s with the “custom, vintage” labeling on your inputs on that Deluxe?
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Post by ragan on Jul 2, 2020 17:48:48 GMT -6
Hey Ragan, what’s with the “custom, vintage” labeling on your inputs on that Deluxe? It’s the 68 Reissue, which has the expected input/tone stack labeled “Vintage” and a Bassman input/tone stack labeled “Custom”.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 2, 2020 19:19:59 GMT -6
Hey Ragan, what’s with the “custom, vintage” labeling on your inputs on that Deluxe? It’s the 68 Reissue, which has the expected input/tone stack labeled “Vintage” and a Bassman input/tone stack labeled “Custom”. Ohhhh I thought that was a 68 drip edge deluxe.
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Post by ragan on Jul 2, 2020 19:28:56 GMT -6
It’s the 68 Reissue, which has the expected input/tone stack labeled “Vintage” and a Bassman input/tone stack labeled “Custom”. Ohhhh I thought that was a 68 drip edge deluxe. Oh, nope. I wish. “RI” = reissue. I really like this one though. More than good enough for me.
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Post by indiehouse on Jul 8, 2020 21:29:02 GMT -6
Played some tonight. I need to do some of my own AB tests with my amps/Suhr IR and Iridium. But I gotta say after playing through the Iridium a bit tonight, I dig the tones I’m getting. I run mine through some glass (Zod DI into a Coil CA-70s). It feels better to me. I like the coil 70 because it’s a darker pre, and can really warm things up. I dunno. I just feel that running the iridium through some tubes brings something more.
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Post by Guitar on Jul 9, 2020 5:24:04 GMT -6
I something kind of similar with my Boss Katana. Run it into a wolfbox DI to 'warm it up' a bit. I'm very pleased with the tones. Ever since I got Jeff's CA-0252 op amp in that 312 preamp channel everything is sounding great.
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