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Post by the other mark williams on Jun 12, 2019 19:12:47 GMT -6
I've been in the hunt for one great vocal mic and pre. About a year ago I heard about Shannon and contacted him. While I had been considering purchasing a used CV4 and having him do his 251 mod, he instead suggested building me a custom 251 of his own. My day-job is in the consulting world (nothing to do with music), so I understand the importance of clear, concise, and competent communication with clients, as well as the subsequent follow-through on delivery. I cannot comment on Shannon as a person as I have never met him, but his written "communication", if you can call it that, indicated I should stay far away. It was like trying to converse with a three year-old. I'm just a hobbyist whose studio is only for myself, and is technically "owned" by my 501(c)(3) ministry. I have very limited and separate financial resources for this, and much accountability for how funds are used. I'm in the process of liquidating my current mid-level mic locker and outboard pres to have the funds for one (obviously much more expensive) mic and pre combo. If I were to be scammed in that purchase process it would be hard to recover. As difficult as that would be, I really feel for you guys here who make your living doing this and have been impacted. I believe in forgiveness, rehabilitation, and second chances. I also believe in responsibility, repentance, and restitution. People make choices, and choices have consequences. As a person the guy needs help. As a business owner he needs to be held accountable. If he's not held accountable, he's really not being helped. Our backslidden brother has lots of friends in the Christian Music world. There has been outreach. Prayers and compassion are helpful. I was involved in the Christian Music world for about 15 years. I now have less confidence that this will be resolved. |
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Post by Bender on Jun 12, 2019 20:10:45 GMT -6
Our backslidden brother has lots of friends in the Christian Music world. There has been outreach. Prayers and compassion are helpful. I was involved in the Christian Music world for about 15 years. I now have less confidence that this will be resolved. Didn't wanna say it, but you nashville/ non atheist folk sure are cute. Prayer solves all problems, I mean look at 2019, and the past thousand years or so since God's been in the pic.... it's been going GREAT. Lol. Carry on  |
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Post by ragan on Jun 12, 2019 20:17:40 GMT -6
I was involved in the Christian Music world for about 15 years. I now have less confidence that this will be resolved. Didn't wanna say it, but you nashville/ non atheist folk sure are cute. Prayer solves all problems, I mean look at 2019, and the past thousand years or so since God's been in the pic.... it's been going GREAT. Lol. Carry on LOL “past thousand years or so” |
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Post by chessparov on Jun 12, 2019 20:23:48 GMT -6
To err is human, to forgive canine!
Chris
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Post by yotonic on Jun 12, 2019 20:38:16 GMT -6
I think it's pretty obvious to many of us in today's society. And that's exactly why most have had only "get better wishes" and some talking about tough love and consequences. A forum is a tough place to talk about someone's obvious personal "health" issues.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 12, 2019 20:54:04 GMT -6
I was involved in the Christian Music world for about 15 years. I now have less confidence that this will be resolved. Didn't wanna say it, but you nashville/ non atheist folk sure are cute. Prayer solves all problems, I mean look at 2019, and the past thousand years or so since God's been in the pic.... it's been going GREAT. Lol. Carry on Maybe you should have kept it to yourself. I’m a Christian, and I don’t appreciate your tone. |
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Post by ragan on Jun 12, 2019 21:02:36 GMT -6
I was involved in the Christian Music world for about 15 years. I now have less confidence that this will be resolved. Didn't wanna say it, but you nashville/ non atheist folk sure are cute. Prayer solves all problems, I mean look at 2019, and the past thousand years or so since God's been in the pic.... it's been going GREAT. Lol. Carry on Also, I hate to break it to you but atheism is no less adorable in it's monumentally presumptive nature. Neither claim can be proven or disproven and evaluating either of them gets into infinitely personal and subjective territory in a nanosecond. Learning to live respectfully and circumspectly in this truth is part of being an adult of sound mind and soul in my opinion. |
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Post by ericn on Jun 12, 2019 21:18:03 GMT -6
To err is human, to forgive canine! Chris Grrrrrrrrrr! |
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Post by drbill on Jun 12, 2019 21:51:33 GMT -6
I was involved in the Christian Music world for about 15 years. I now have less confidence that this will be resolved. Didn't wanna say it, but you nashville/ non atheist folk sure are cute. Prayer solves all problems, I mean look at 2019, and the past thousand years or so since God's been in the pic.... it's been going GREAT. Lol. Carry on Here you go - - this ought to keep you busy - far beyond a thousand years.  "Science Has Found Proof of the Existence of God!" I did some quickie ambient free-form music for a christian organization who dubbed it into their film and put it up on their site under a less "controversial" title, and then (ironically) it was stolen by an atheist who gave it this controversial title and monitized it for $$$$$ (of which I got none) on youtube. 14M views. You should have fun banging it out over on youtube. More fun and more appropriate on youtube than with your comrades on RGO IMO. Cheers, bp If nothing else, the hubble space graphics are cool and may chill you out..... |
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Post by ragan on Jun 12, 2019 21:58:07 GMT -6
Science doesn't have (by its own definitional constraint) anything to say about what may or may not lie beyond physical nature. There, saved everyone the trouble of watching the vid. It's unequivocally true though and those claiming otherwise either don't understand what science is or they're being disingenuous (typically the latter). The scientist and the philosopher ask different questions and they get different answers. If they were both sitting at a baseball game, one would be asking why this field is here and where all these players came from and the other would be asking what the rules are. Those questions (and their respective answers) are not in fundamental conflict with each other. Edit: saw the last few posts. Yes this is all a wild digression and things like this are always problematic to discuss. Still true though. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 12, 2019 22:01:30 GMT -6
Thought I would put these where they belong...
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Post by chessparov on Jun 12, 2019 22:21:29 GMT -6
FWIW my favorite all time author is Charles Dickens, and my favorite book he wrote is "A Christmas Carol".
Which relates insofar, in the theme of one's character redemption and eventual atonement to others.
So...
Whether you believe in God (I sure do!), or not, humans (at least those of sane mind/body) retain this potential.
Please excuse my 2 cents, John...
Chris
P.S. Some of you may (or may not) know of Dickens' bravery, helping the wounded, in the aftermath of the Staplehurst train accident. Risking his life, in the process.
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Post by Bender on Jun 12, 2019 23:15:45 GMT -6
Lol smart move moving it out of there. I'm just poking the bear ya'll, regardless I believe we're all on the same page when it comes to morals, vibe & general life practice on the things that count( if anything does but that's a rather different existential question), particularly this thread though. However perhaps some of you more older, southern/nashville folks are failing to realize the bubble you may be in so it's normal, however even in a more catholic chicago setting, the godly rhetoric is equivalent to a 80 year old man being forced to watch the MTV VMA's....it's like juding bob dylan on the voice.....its like.....well I actually had a few punch lines here but in sake of fairness the two will do lol...so lets just say you can't help but eye roll..in anycase,& differences/brainwaves/thoughts aside, we can all agree...pretty shite situation for lots of folks involved but collectively we all hope for the best, just finding it particular rich that since shannon is apparently under the JC banner ya'll are giving him some leeway...especially these days where we all know prayers ain't stopping mass shootings. Communities do that. Again so ethnocentric, but hey you get the point.  Not trying to be contraian or kick up a dust, I've seen the cross banner before for your avatar. I just don't think it's entirely fair you deleted ragan's and other's replies, they were more philosophical than anti-religion if anything- no need to be totalitarian about it/anything you disagree with- this isn't the purple site afterall correct? So if you're going to delete EVERYTHING religious at least be fair & consistent, and DELETE anything that mentions prayer too. Such as guitfiddler or Todd's post a few back . Otherwise you're basically editing and implying religion is ok as long as it's either christian/ you agree with it. Bygones be bygons, we're all good company and can enjoy a beer or joint together right? At the very least take mushrooms and all bond over it? Back on topic. Some people are shit people,whether you know them, agree with them, prayers or not, sorry but not sorry folks! |
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Post by Bender on Jun 12, 2019 23:22:06 GMT -6
Didn't wanna say it, but you nashville/ non atheist folk sure are cute. Prayer solves all problems, I mean look at 2019, and the past thousand years or so since God's been in the pic.... it's been going GREAT. Lol. Carry on LOL “past thousand years or so” Chuckles too- I mean humans going back to 175k years but JC rolls around( which his actual existence is up to debate) we reset the clock,let a bunch of dudes write and chose stories about lives from people they never knew or met400+ years after their deaths, and suddenly we're like all like holier than though,not animals, and are like different and shit? L-----O------L |
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Post by ragan on Jun 12, 2019 23:38:21 GMT -6
Lol smart move moving it out of there. I'm just poking the bear ya'll, regardless I believe we're all on the same page when it comes to morals, vibe & general life practice on the things that count( if anything does but that's a rather different existential question), particularly this thread though. However perhaps some of you more older, southern/nashville folks are failing to realize the bubble you may be in so it's normal, however even in a more catholic chicago setting, the godly rhetoric is equivalent to a 80 year old man being forced to watch the MTV VMA's....it's like juding bob dylan on the voice.....its like.....well I actually had a few punch lines here but in sake of fairness the two will do lol...so lets just say you can't help but eye roll..in anycase,& differences/brainwaves/thoughts aside, we can all agree...pretty shite situation for lots of folks involved but collectively we all hope for the best, just finding it particular rich that since shannon is apparently under the JC banner ya'll are giving him some leeway...especially these days where we all know prayers ain't stopping mass shootings. Communities do that. Again so ethnocentric, but hey you get the point. Not trying to be contraian or kick up a dust, I've seen the cross banner before for your avatar. I just don't think it's entirely fair you deleted ragan's and other's replies, they were more philosophical than anti-religion if anything- no need to be totalitarian about it/anything you disagree with- this isn't the purple site afterall correct? So if you're going to delete EVERYTHING religious at least be fair & consistent, and DELETE anything that mentions prayer too. Such as guitfiddler or Todd's post a few back . Otherwise you're basically editing and implying religion is ok as long as it's either christian/ you agree with it. Bygones be bygons, we're all good company and can enjoy a beer or joint together right? At the very least take mushrooms and all bond over it? Back on topic. Some people are shit people,whether you know them, agree with them, prayers or not, sorry but not sorry folks! He didn't delete anything, just moved it out of the thread where it was pretty heavily off topic. None of us have objective vision. It's impossible to get as a human. And smug comments about peoples' "bubble", cackled from one's own "bubble" don't carry much legitimacy. |
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Post by ragan on Jun 12, 2019 23:42:31 GMT -6
LOL “past thousand years or so” Chuckles too- I mean humans going back to 175k years but JC rolls around( which his actual existence is up to debate) we reset the clock,let a bunch of dudes write and chose stories about lives from people they never knew or met400+ years after their deaths, and suddenly we're like all like holier than though,not animals, and are like different and shit? L-----O------L You said "...since God's been in the pic" which doesn't mean "Christianity." The notion of "God" has been "in the pic" more or less since humans have been around. And the existence of JC isn't really up for debate. Not for any serious historians. Whether he was a run of the mill megalomaniac or what Christians believe he was (or something in between), well that of course is hotly debated and will always be. |
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Post by Bender on Jun 12, 2019 23:43:02 GMT -6
Lol smart move moving it out of there. I'm just poking the bear ya'll, regardless I believe we're all on the same page when it comes to morals, vibe & general life practice on the things that count( if anything does but that's a rather different existential question), particularly this thread though. However perhaps some of you more older, southern/nashville folks are failing to realize the bubble you may be in so it's normal, however even in a more catholic chicago setting, the godly rhetoric is equivalent to a 80 year old man being forced to watch the MTV VMA's....it's like juding bob dylan on the voice.....its like.....well I actually had a few punch lines here but in sake of fairness the two will do lol...so lets just say you can't help but eye roll..in anycase,& differences/brainwaves/thoughts aside, we can all agree...pretty shite situation for lots of folks involved but collectively we all hope for the best, just finding it particular rich that since shannon is apparently under the JC banner ya'll are giving him some leeway...especially these days where we all know prayers ain't stopping mass shootings. Communities do that. Again so ethnocentric, but hey you get the point. Not trying to be contraian or kick up a dust, I've seen the cross banner before for your avatar. I just don't think it's entirely fair you deleted ragan's and other's replies, they were more philosophical than anti-religion if anything- no need to be totalitarian about it/anything you disagree with- this isn't the purple site afterall correct? So if you're going to delete EVERYTHING religious at least be fair & consistent, and DELETE anything that mentions prayer too. Such as guitfiddler or Todd's post a few back . Otherwise you're basically editing and implying religion is ok as long as it's either christian/ you agree with it. Bygones be bygons, we're all good company and can enjoy a beer or joint together right? At the very least take mushrooms and all bond over it? Back on topic. Some people are shit people,whether you know them, agree with them, prayers or not, sorry but not sorry folks! He didn't delete anything, just moved it out of the thread where it was pretty heavily off topic. None of us have objective vision. It's impossible to get as a human. And smug comments about peoples' "bubble", cackled from one's own "bubble" don't carry much legitimacy. Yeah I realized that, and agree it twas a smart move- was merely pointing it out- though obviously it struck a nerve with even you. I mean life's a bubble man- earth is a bubble. It's no wonder the internet is so harsh these days folks don't know how to act besides sour and start assuming teams when faced with differences. Red, blue, black or white.... I thought you were cool man lol! In anycase,I came at this buying a mic from a fellow who was ripped off by Shannon- do you have any skin in the game? I’m merely trying to laugh at the situation as much as possible, but excuse me for shaking my head at some religious angle-my tone has been playful and humorous, so not sure why your spitting tude when I was batting for you brother- and "serious historians" lol man, my minor was religious studies and philsophy...you're barking up the wrong tree. There is PLENTY of data out there about the jesus myth and his symbolism to the sun, and the consequential usurp of paganism....did some guy named jesus exist, yeah thousands of people did- but the one your read about after hundreds of transcriptions though many languages and thier interpretations,not even mentioning the actual time frames involved of said writings and the cherry picking of these many ejaculations of men's stories, makes it ripe for discussion not dismissal.
Certainly not wanting to dive into all this, never my intention. I guess next time I see everyone getting all prayerish and preachy I'll just eye roll to myself... sheesh.
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Post by ragan on Jun 13, 2019 0:06:49 GMT -6
He didn't delete anything, just moved it out of the thread where it was pretty heavily off topic. None of us have objective vision. It's impossible to get as a human. And smug comments about peoples' "bubble", cackled from one's own "bubble" don't carry much legitimacy. Yeah I realized that, and agree it twas a smart move- was merely pointing it out- though obviously it struck a nerve with even you. I mean life's a bubble man- earth is a bubble. It's no wonder the internet is so harsh these days folks don't know how to act besides sour and start assuming teams when faced with differences. Red, blue, black or white.... I thought you were cool man lol! In anycase,I came at this buying a mic from a fellow who was ripped off by Shannon- do you have any skin in the game? I’m merely trying to laugh at the situation as much as possible, but excuse me for shaking my head at some religious angle-my tone has been playful and numerous, so not sure why your spitting tude when I was batting for you brother- and "serious historians" lol man, my minor was religious studies and philsophy...you're barking up the wrong tree. There is PLENTY of data out there about the jesus myth and his symbolism to the sun, and the consequential usurp of paganism....did some guy named jesus exist, yeah thousands of people did- but the one your read about after hundreds of transcriptions though many languages and thier interpretations,not even mentioning the actual time frames involved of said writings and the cherry picking of these many ejaculations of men's stories, makes it ripe for discussion not dismissal.
Certainly not wanting to dive into all this, never my intention. I guess next time I see everyone getting all prayerish and preachy I'll just eye roll to myself... sheesh.
I too come from some experience and training in this regard. It's widely accepted among scholars of that time and region (atheists, agnostics, theists, whatever) that the historical person of Jesus existed. That's not to say anything about the religious aspect. But as far as things go for documentation from a couple thousand years ago, it's a strong as it gets. But I really don't mean to be picking on you, I just think some of your comments were/are coming across as smug and biting when I suspect you didn't/don't mean them to at all. I was just trying to point that out and not simply trying to go after you. |
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Post by Bender on Jun 13, 2019 0:17:40 GMT -6
Fair enough brother! Needless to say I think all of us here are in the same boat and are trying our best to spew & project positive energy outward amongst everyone,; Well everyone except for fletcher or John Eppstein 😉😂😂....but how we do that and read between lines is another story.
But for me and all those others involved in Shannon’s mess particularly👍🏻
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Post by ragan on Jun 13, 2019 0:41:18 GMT -6
Agreed. And pure-text interactions are always hard to gauge. What might be said with a grin over a beer can sound like a severe insult when it's just some text.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2019 1:19:05 GMT -6
I'm a Pagan/Animist/Pan Psychist (if I had to put labels on it), but try to respect everyone's beliefs. I think the whole Christian thing is very different in the States than in the EU though. It's a thorny subject!  |
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Post by chessparov on Jun 13, 2019 15:39:31 GMT -6
Wow John, I thought I was (justifiably) deleted! This is like falling into a forum wormhole, and ending up somewhere else. (well I did figure as fellow dog lover you might have mercy!) Chris |
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Post by johneppstein on Jun 13, 2019 21:14:52 GMT -6
Please understand that I am not knocking anybody of any particular theological philosophy.
HOWEVER, at least in the SF Bay Area (and I can't speak for elsewhere), the various sects of "religious music promoters" and their like are the most difficult to get paid by and the most likely to outright rip you off (as a tech person) of any class of show promoters and similar operators I've worked for.
It's as if they think that because they're promoting the word of "god" (whichever one they happen to believe they're workin' for) they think they're absolved from paying their debts.
I am intentionally not mentioning the worst miscreants, just pointing out that a great many people attempt to use "faith" as an excuse.
And I do not believe that any really true Christian (or any true member of another true faith) would do that, but there are an awful lot of con men - some very well known - who use religion as an excuse.
I could point some very heavy fingers, but I will not, not here, out of respect for my fellows.
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Post by johneppstein on Jun 14, 2019 12:09:57 GMT -6
I'm a Pagan/Animist/Pan Psychist (if I had to put labels on it), but try to respect everyone's beliefs. I think the whole Christian thing is very different in the States than in the EU though. It's a thorny subject! I actually believe in different things on different days (or sometimes different times of day.)
I'd say that "The Christian thing" is very different in The States than it is in The States, even. People in other parts of the world almost certainly get a somewhat warped view based on those "Christian" leaders who, for one reason or another, have the loudest public voices.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 15, 2019 12:02:03 GMT -6
Lol smart move moving it out of there. I'm just poking the bear ya'll, regardless I believe we're all on the same page when it comes to morals, vibe & general life practice on the things that count( if anything does but that's a rather different existential question), particularly this thread though. However perhaps some of you more older, southern/nashville folks are failing to realize the bubble you may be in so it's normal, however even in a more catholic chicago setting, the godly rhetoric is equivalent to a 80 year old man being forced to watch the MTV VMA's....it's like juding bob dylan on the voice.....its like.....well I actually had a few punch lines here but in sake of fairness the two will do lol...so lets just say you can't help but eye roll..in anycase,& differences/brainwaves/thoughts aside, we can all agree...pretty shite situation for lots of folks involved but collectively we all hope for the best, just finding it particular rich that since shannon is apparently under the JC banner ya'll are giving him some leeway...especially these days where we all know prayers ain't stopping mass shootings. Communities do that. Again so ethnocentric, but hey you get the point. Not trying to be contraian or kick up a dust, I've seen the cross banner before for your avatar. I just don't think it's entirely fair you deleted ragan's and other's replies, they were more philosophical than anti-religion if anything- no need to be totalitarian about it/anything you disagree with- this isn't the purple site afterall correct? So if you're going to delete EVERYTHING religious at least be fair & consistent, and DELETE anything that mentions prayer too. Such as guitfiddler or Todd's post a few back . Otherwise you're basically editing and implying religion is ok as long as it's either christian/ you agree with it. Bygones be bygons, we're all good company and can enjoy a beer or joint together right? At the very least take mushrooms and all bond over it? Back on topic. Some people are shit people,whether you know them, agree with them, prayers or not, sorry but not sorry folks! You’ve never seen a cross in my avatar. I had Moses holding two twinkies...but so what if I did? Would that offend you too? Also, I said in the thread that anything about religion after I moved stuff here would be deleted. And it has and will be. And I will determine what stays or goes because this ain’t a democracy. AND, if you’re going to bash Christianity, I don’t want you here anyway. |
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"Science Has Found Proof of the Existence of God!" I did some quickie ambient free-form music for a christian organization who dubbed it into their film and put it up on their site under a less "controversial" title, and then (ironically) it was stolen by an atheist who gave it this controversial title and monitized it for $$$$$ (of which I got none) on youtube. 14M views. You should have fun banging it out over on youtube. More fun and more appropriate on youtube than with your comrades on RGO IMO. Cheers, bp
