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Post by Quint on Jun 15, 2019 12:48:55 GMT -6
I'll post this here. amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/591697/From this article: "The rapidity of that cultural shift, though, should not obscure the contours of the society that the religious right still aspires to preserve: a world where women have no control over whether to carry a pregnancy to term, same-sex marriage is illegal, and gays and lesbians can be arrested and incarcerated for having sex in their own homes and be barred from raising children. The religious right showed no mercy and no charity toward these groups when it had the power to impose its will, but when it lost that power, it turned to invoking the importance of religious tolerance and pluralism in a democratic society." And "Black Americans did not abandon liberal democracy because of slavery, Jim Crow, and the systematic destruction of whatever wealth they managed to accumulate; instead they took up arms in two world wars to defend it. Japanese Americans did not reject liberal democracy because of internment or the racist humiliation of Asian exclusion; they risked life and limb to preserve it. Latinos did not abandon liberal democracy because of “Operation Wetback,” or Proposition 187, or because of a man who won a presidential election on the strength of his hostility toward Latino immigrants. Gay, lesbian, and trans Americans did not abandon liberal democracy over decades of discrimination and abandonment in the face of an epidemic. This is, in part, because doing so would be tantamount to giving the state permission to destroy them, a thought so foreign to these defenders of the supposedly endangered religious right that the possibility has not even occurred to them. But it is also because of a peculiar irony of American history: The American creed has no more devoted adherents than those who have been historically denied its promises, and no more fair-weather friends than those who have taken them for granted." Why I bring this up and why I thought this article did such a great job of illustrating these thoughts? Because every time a Christian/Republican/white/straight male wants to claim that the country or society or whatever has gone crazy, because suddenly other people are demanding that they have the same rights and equal treatment as the Trumps of the world, they need to think about what it would be like to have the shoe on the other foot. "Freedom for all" was all fine and good when the only people that truly had to be afforded that freedom were those in power (white, Christian, straight, males). But now that "others" are demanding those freedoms, our society is falling apart....  ? Give me a break. So to bring it back to the more specific original discussion, how many Christians on this forum are going to like it if I start injecting satanic or athiest things into discussions about gear? I'll say it again, think about what it would be like to have the shoe on the other foot. |
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Post by Bender on Jun 15, 2019 13:11:09 GMT -6
Lol smart move moving it out of there. I'm just poking the bear ya'll, regardless I believe we're all on the same page when it comes to morals, vibe & general life practice on the things that count( if anything does but that's a rather different existential question), particularly this thread though. However perhaps some of you more older, southern/nashville folks are failing to realize the bubble you may be in so it's normal, however even in a more catholic chicago setting, the godly rhetoric is equivalent to a 80 year old man being forced to watch the MTV VMA's....it's like juding bob dylan on the voice.....its like.....well I actually had a few punch lines here but in sake of fairness the two will do lol...so lets just say you can't help but eye roll..in anycase,& differences/brainwaves/thoughts aside, we can all agree...pretty shite situation for lots of folks involved but collectively we all hope for the best, just finding it particular rich that since shannon is apparently under the JC banner ya'll are giving him some leeway...especially these days where we all know prayers ain't stopping mass shootings. Communities do that. Again so ethnocentric, but hey you get the point.  Not trying to be contraian or kick up a dust, I've seen the cross banner before for your avatar. I just don't think it's entirely fair you deleted ragan's and other's replies, they were more philosophical than anti-religion if anything- no need to be totalitarian about it/anything you disagree with- this isn't the purple site afterall correct? So if you're going to delete EVERYTHING religious at least be fair & consistent, and DELETE anything that mentions prayer too. Such as guitfiddler or Todd's post a few back . Otherwise you're basically editing and implying religion is ok as long as it's either christian/ you agree with it. Bygones be bygons, we're all good company and can enjoy a beer or joint together right? At the very least take mushrooms and all bond over it? Back on topic. Some people are shit people,whether you know them, agree with them, prayers or not, sorry but not sorry folks! You’ve never seen a cross in my avatar. I had Moses holding two twinkies...but so what if I did? Would that offend you too? Also, I said in the thread that anything about religion after I moved stuff here would be deleted. And it has and will be. And I will determine what stays or goes because this ain’t a democracy. AND, if you’re going to bash Christianity, I don’t want you here anyway. Not sure why you and a couple others are still going on about this- I thought this was put to rest a couple of days ago.... but like Jesus apparently it has re-risin! Lol. I believe indiehouse really laminated my feelings particularly well in his most recent post on the ghost forum- I don’t see how a road to redemption for Shannon’s business is plausible with the deception and amount money involved....we’re talking 10k dollars + from multiple people No? I didn’t articulate that well, but I touched on how prayers weren’t going to correct that or solve anything really IMO; admittingly I did this somewhat condescendingly, however still playful, so apologies otherwise. From there it was more about consistency on the religious thing... one post you say no religion, delete a bunch of things that were off topic and should’ve been removed...yet in that very same thread others including yourself are still going at it... 🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️thats the thing that rubs me these days more than anything in this world- lack of consistency,accountability, or common sense. My response had nothing to do against wishing the best for others... you don’t have to be Christian to believe that I hope you know. And like I said I do wish him well even though I was one of those swindled by him via proxy on my latest u87i purchase.... In anycase, I’m not offended by ANYTHING, so I’m not sure why you’re trying to throw me into the snowflake SJW camp. I’d happily eat radical lefties or righties for breakfast so no harm no foul. It was never a personal attack, just trying to highlight a blind spot to you Nashville folks. I ultimately respect everyone and their differences, something that can’t be said for a majority of conservative Christians but I digress. Would ya’ll be pulling for Shannon and praying if he was a transsexual satanist ? Maybe with his track record before all of this but I have my suspicions.... If anything the fervous reaction over an outsider highlighting how amusing/interesting it is to myself or to a majority of the country outside your region, or if we want to skin it another way, a majority of those outside your age group, that the south/Nashville in particular appears to be still be in a Christian bubble where the thought that prayer can solve problems purveys....was all I was LIGHTLY pointing out.... the failure for you realize this /not understanding how out of place it is for others not in your area to see the godly stuff brought up so nonchalantly just further exemplifies your lack of seeing this other perspective and furthermore any personal jabby reaction to that reinforces the hypocrisy of it all exponentially... I.g the democracy comment ,freedom of speech,being a good Christian etc, yet if a member doesn’t believe what you do , then you don’t want them around... that’s like the antithesis of Being a good Christian no? You’re better than that, it thoughts like that may be a signpost that makes others wary of joining this forums in the future, which wouldn’t be good for any of us! And please do correct me if I’m wrong, but after someone else said something that didn’t align with your Christian values I believe you did have a three cross avatar with a “he has risen” underneath it no? So you like poking the bear too than, which is totally fair! In anycase let’s bury the horse and focus on the gear and this awesome community? 👍🏻👍🏻 . let’s bring back the Twinkie tablets? Actually quite liked that one!! |
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Post by ragan on Jun 15, 2019 13:16:52 GMT -6
I'll post this here. amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/591697/From this article: "The rapidity of that cultural shift, though, should not obscure the contours of the society that the religious right still aspires to preserve: a world where women have no control over whether to carry a pregnancy to term, same-sex marriage is illegal, and gays and lesbians can be arrested and incarcerated for having sex in their own homes and be barred from raising children. The religious right showed no mercy and no charity toward these groups when it had the power to impose its will, but when it lost that power, it turned to invoking the importance of religious tolerance and pluralism in a democratic society." And "Black Americans did not abandon liberal democracy because of slavery, Jim Crow, and the systematic destruction of whatever wealth they managed to accumulate; instead they took up arms in two world wars to defend it. Japanese Americans did not reject liberal democracy because of internment or the racist humiliation of Asian exclusion; they risked life and limb to preserve it. Latinos did not abandon liberal democracy because of “Operation Wetback,” or Proposition 187, or because of a man who won a presidential election on the strength of his hostility toward Latino immigrants. Gay, lesbian, and trans Americans did not abandon liberal democracy over decades of discrimination and abandonment in the face of an epidemic. This is, in part, because doing so would be tantamount to giving the state permission to destroy them, a thought so foreign to these defenders of the supposedly endangered religious right that the possibility has not even occurred to them. But it is also because of a peculiar irony of American history: The American creed has no more devoted adherents than those who have been historically denied its promises, and no more fair-weather friends than those who have taken them for granted." Why I bring this up and why I thought this article did such a great job of illustrating these thoughts? Because every time a Christian/Republican/white/straight male wants to claim that the country or society or whatever has gone crazy, because suddenly other people are demanding that they have the same rights and equal treatment as the Trumps of the world, they need to think about what it would be like to have the shoe on the other foot. "Freedom for all" was all fine and good when the only people that truly had to be afforded that freedom were those in power (white, Christian, straight, males). But now that "others" are demanding those freedoms, our society is falling apart.... ? Give me a break. So to bring it back to the more specific original discussion, how many Christians on this forum are going to like it if I start injecting satanic or athiest things into discussions about gear? I'll say it again, think about what it would be like to have the shoe on the other foot. That excerpt from the Atlantic is undeniably bang-on in my view, but I don’t really think that’s where John is coming from. I come from a long line of pastors and grew up in the church and am what most people would probably consider “a Christian”, broadly speaking. I also think the supposed “war on Christianity” is a farce being pushed by totally disingenuous charlatans. But there’s an ocean of nuance in all this stuff and it’s hopelessly subjective where “being obnoxious” ends and “persecuting my beliefs” begins when we’re talking about conversational exchanges. Policy? That’s a different matter. |
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Post by Bender on Jun 15, 2019 13:26:39 GMT -6
I'll post this here. amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/591697/From this article: "The rapidity of that cultural shift, though, should not obscure the contours of the society that the religious right still aspires to preserve: a world where women have no control over whether to carry a pregnancy to term, same-sex marriage is illegal, and gays and lesbians can be arrested and incarcerated for having sex in their own homes and be barred from raising children. The religious right showed no mercy and no charity toward these groups when it had the power to impose its will, but when it lost that power, it turned to invoking the importance of religious tolerance and pluralism in a democratic society." And "Black Americans did not abandon liberal democracy because of slavery, Jim Crow, and the systematic destruction of whatever wealth they managed to accumulate; instead they took up arms in two world wars to defend it. Japanese Americans did not reject liberal democracy because of internment or the racist humiliation of Asian exclusion; they risked life and limb to preserve it. Latinos did not abandon liberal democracy because of “Operation Wetback,” or Proposition 187, or because of a man who won a presidential election on the strength of his hostility toward Latino immigrants. Gay, lesbian, and trans Americans did not abandon liberal democracy over decades of discrimination and abandonment in the face of an epidemic. This is, in part, because doing so would be tantamount to giving the state permission to destroy them, a thought so foreign to these defenders of the supposedly endangered religious right that the possibility has not even occurred to them. But it is also because of a peculiar irony of American history: The American creed has no more devoted adherents than those who have been historically denied its promises, and no more fair-weather friends than those who have taken them for granted." Why I bring this up and why I thought this article did such a great job of illustrating these thoughts? Because every time a Christian/Republican/white/straight male wants to claim that the country or society or whatever has gone crazy, because suddenly other people are demanding that they have the same rights and equal treatment as the Trumps of the world, they need to think about what it would be like to have the shoe on the other foot. "Freedom for all" was all fine and good when the only people that truly had to be afforded that freedom were those in power (white, Christian, straight, males). But now that "others" are demanding those freedoms, our society is falling apart.... ? Give me a break. So to bring it back to the more specific original discussion, how many Christians on this forum are going to like it if I start injecting satanic or athiest things into discussions about gear? I'll say it again, think about what it would be like to have the shoe on the other foot. That excerpt from the Atlantic is undeniably bang-on in my view, but I don’t really think that’s where John is coming from. I come from a long line of pastors and grew up in the church and am what most people would probably consider “a Christian”, broadly speaking. I also think the supposed “war on Christianity” is a farce being pushed by totally disingenuous charlatans. But there’s an ocean of nuance in all this stuff and it’s hopelessly subjective where “being obnoxious” ends and “persecuting my beliefs” begins when we’re talking about conversational exchanges. Policy? That’s a different matter. Agreed, I believe we all have more in common than different, media in all forms generate more revenue by sensationalizing differences and outrage culture for their personal gain and at humanities expense |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 15, 2019 13:36:30 GMT -6
I think people portraying Christians as forcing it down their throat are completely laughable. Look at our culture - it is ENTIRELY non-Christian. So - when people like Bender mock my God - by mocking the very tenet of the religion "just like Jesus - re-resin(sp)" it really annoys me. Imagine if someone were on here mocking Allah? Or for the matter of the secular left - Obama...It wouldn't fly. Yet, Christians and their religion are fair game. So Bender - keep your political and religious thoughts to Gearslutz, because fair or not, they're not going to continue here. But - here's where it's fun - it's MY BOARD. So if I want to have the last say, I will have it. Painting Christians with such a broad brush is unacceptable. Who here is arguing against gay rights? Same sex marriage or abortion? Yet - you lumped all Christians as super far right. I'm telling you, all of this is about to get deleted. |
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? Give me a break.
