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Post by viciousbliss on May 15, 2024 21:05:11 GMT -6
Someone made a bunch of obscene AI songs and posted them to Youtube. I listened to some and they sounded like modern music made by humans. Then I watched a bunch of Frontiers Records stuff and some modern metal to see if there was anything new I might want to listen to. All this Frontiers and Metal stuff just sounds like one homogenous blob. Same fake drums, same production choices, same bad loudness war mastering, same vocal tuning and drum time fixes, just one assembly line product after another. It's not that different from AI because so much of it is fake. The other day I saw something about Hatsune Miku at the Auditorium Theatre on their Facebook. They showed this massive line of people lining up to get into the show. I look it up and I guess it's some kinda digitally projected character with a backup band. So, I load up a live video. The music sounds just like this AI stuff. This must be the closest thing to an AI concert that we have. It's not something I would want to watch and I'm just baffled as to why thousands of people are showing up for it. Well, I'm also baffled why thousands of people paid tons of money to see stuff like Motley Crue, Guns N Roses, and Kiss this year. Must have a lot to do with social conformity. Social pressure. Stuff not too different from brainwashing. You get to feel important if you partake. If we go back to stuff like New Kids and Vanilla Ice, you couldn't give them away in 1993 due to social pressure. Now they got most of their fans back and a lot of new ones because they're considering socially acceptable now. 26 years ago you would get a lot of flack from fans of stuff like Manson, Korn, and NIN if you liked King Diamond and Cannibal Corpse. Now every form of hard rock and metal is considered part of the same whole.
This is how we got Gangsta Rap adopted by rich kids in affluent suburbs. MTV and the media and entertainment complexes of the 1990s told everyone this was the hip thing to listen to. And it's the same thing with public health. We could have a new pandemic with a 50% fatality rate and people will be out bragging about how they're throwing caution to the wind because it's seen as the cool thing to do by conservative media. I live zero covid and I'm very aware there's a ton of pressure on me to not put on a 95 mask at indoor events I'm going to with a group. But I could care less about the stigma. Point being that social conformity has already dictated that fake music is acceptable. It would take a real radical change in culture for people to reject all this fake music and go back to wanting something that's all analog and sounds like it came from 1991. At some point we'll see AI-generated stuff that sounds like it's authentically from 1991. It'll be simple at first. Then it'll start generating stuff on par with The Black Album and Use Your Illusion. There was a recent video about AI and jobs from Fanatical Futurist that I need to watch. Should be more than interesting.
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Post by viciousbliss on May 15, 2024 20:42:38 GMT -6
You're saying it compares favorably to those hardware pieces? I think it does.. Frankly as my experience increases over the years the need for mixing and mastering hardware is less important. I have some very discerning mastering clients that could not tell if I switched from hardware to all in the box. The Sontec plug in is really good in use and I could easily do all my masters in the box. I love hardware as I have 6 figures worth but the tools are getting really good in software. I've only ever gotten to compare the Massive Passive at Access Analog to plugins. Only the PA SPL PQ felt on par with it. Last time I compared this Sontec plugin with the PQ plugin, I vastly preferred the PQ. That PQ plugin has as much transient energy as most any hardware that I've tried. My masters can sound a little flat without it, even if I'm using stuff like a VSM-2 and a SHMC. I'm still debating about whether I really need a hardware equalizer. The Curve Bender plugin doesn't really get close in the video that's out there, but apparently a lot of other hardware eqs are much easier to emulate.
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Post by viciousbliss on May 15, 2024 15:54:14 GMT -6
The Sontec works very well for mastering and I have owned the Knif Soma , Buzz Rec 2.2 the Berry Porter ect in Hardware.. Your comment is reductionist.. You're saying it compares favorably to those hardware pieces?
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Post by viciousbliss on May 11, 2024 19:15:06 GMT -6
I'd really like to try this one out. And Hyperion, Dione, and Rhea. In the Zenpro clipilator, I thought the Weiss eqs were better than a lot of more expensive stuff. The compressors sounded just as good to me as SPL Iron and Unfairchild.
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Post by viciousbliss on May 10, 2024 16:39:19 GMT -6
I've tried all sorts of things before and after. All I'm doing now is putting an analog modeled eq after the FX plugin and using the filters in default, like the GEM EQ84 from Overloud. Last thing I was doing before this was Pro-Q3 and making all these adjustments and it did not work as well for me as just using the Gem 84. My mixing strategy is usually based around using saturation as opposed to a lot of eq and compression, so it's probably very different from what is usually done by most people.
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Post by viciousbliss on May 9, 2024 23:39:34 GMT -6
What a giant loss for everyone. RIP. I was hoping to work with him as a client one of these days. His articles and videos were always very worthwhile. It was cool that he lived such a principled life and stuck to it.
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Post by viciousbliss on May 9, 2024 23:35:34 GMT -6
I've never really looked at the routing options or putting Inspirata on a whole mix. Haven't even finished downloading all the IRs....hah
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Post by viciousbliss on May 7, 2024 23:47:03 GMT -6
Moving Satin to the first insert earlier this week has been a tremendous help. Then a de-esser, compressor, dopamine. FX, eq, or Autotune can be in there too. Busses, largely the same but swap out the de-esser for Black Box. Occasionally H3000 across the vocal bus. After FX on an aux, something like Gem EQ84 just to use the filters. Use a few different FX. SP2016 as main reverb. Atlantis Chambers. Cooper Timecube as main delay. UAD 480 for the Effects. No real trick really. Doesn't matter what mic either. SM7, MTR231, some $100 Audio Technica. Generally I like to use saturation to do a lot and not bother with a lot of eq and compression.
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Post by viciousbliss on May 4, 2024 15:28:01 GMT -6
I've found a few presets in the original plugin that work quite well. Barry's Stereo Spread being a particular favorite. Mainly for backing vocals.
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Post by viciousbliss on May 3, 2024 9:01:51 GMT -6
For me, Internet changed a lot by 1998. Just being so easy to find people to talk to or meet up with. Order things. Access to information. It wasn't that widespread, but it was commonly used by people that were high school and college aged by 1996. By 2003 the online dating stuff really exploded. All of a sudden I had more messages and even phone numbers than I could handle. It was pretty rare for me to run into someone who wasn't using the Internet for a lot by 2004. The adoption seemed to happen a lot slower with older generations. Slower with people who were maybe more blue collar and never really got into tech. Guys that I knew who couldn't find the c drive in Windows Explorer unless you pointed right at it. Nowadays people who would never have used a desktop use the Net through phones. As a result a lot of antisocial people are abusing its capabilities. These types have turned the online dating market polygamous, become toxic social media influencers, and use GPS to go commit crimes in areas that they would never have ventured to previously. Then there's all the other scams. It can actually be quite dangerous to put yourself out there online.
There's so many new types of computers on the horizon. Quantum, biological, I forget the others. These PCs we're using now are going to be extremely archaic and obsolete in the 2030s, if not earlier. Creativity is going to shift to consumers creating their own stuff. People will still create things to sell on the marketplace, it's just a question of if consumers will still want them as opposed to what their computers are generating. Right now we have a lot of badly written entertainment. ChatGPT can write storylines that are worlds better than the major pro wrestling companies, for example.
Our society is so messed up compared to a year like 2008 that I'm looking forward to these changes. At least it will be better for my health. Ironically, it will be easier for people to go backwards if they wish. There will most likely be all sorts of communities with differing levels of tech. You'll probably be able to have communities based in 1990s environments with maybe better medical care. They'll just stay static in regard to certain tech. Then people can just leave if they want a different experience.
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Post by viciousbliss on Apr 30, 2024 21:21:42 GMT -6
The only reason I'd pick this over Satin is to save cpu. It's probably the next best thing.
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Post by viciousbliss on Apr 27, 2024 21:26:35 GMT -6
This is really a lot simpler than we're thinking. It's all about what the consumer market wants. In 1999 we learned that they would gladly prefer 128 mp3s for free. In our modern era we know that people will pay good money to see acts that you couldn't give away after 1991 like New Kids and Vanilla Ice. Music used to serve a lot more purposes than it does today. People stopped forming bands as often as in the past going back two decades. Guys who would've dedicated themselves to a band in 1978 ended up in college or in jail in 2002. Today it seems to just be a background thing for social media and its interactions. Either background music in someone's video or playing in the background at whatever event they're at. Full immersion VR is inevitable too. And great session players will able to be replicated by AI.
Traditional society is already over. How many here have seen the fertility rates? Been dropping like a rock since 2008. There are a lot more options than pure trans-humanism. You could stay as you are and just load up on nanotech in maybe about a decade so you don't age or develop terrible health. More intelligence means less violence and destruction. I'm always surprised when I go on Youtube or political sites and people are worried about being in a Terminator movie. Not remotely possible. In those movies it's like AI has this huge growth, time machines exist, and everything else is locked into whatever year the movie was produced.
With mass automation we'll have to see big changes in society. People worry too much about jobs and money as if job loss it the only thing that will be changing. Even anarchists worry about this. The big corporations are gonna replace us all and we'll still have to pay a premium price for everything. It's more likely the corporations will become obsolete as their products won't be necessary anymore. More technology means we can do more on our own, be more self-sufficient. These corporations are going to lose their power over the populace for the most part. Do what you can now, it's tough to plan for the future. Perhaps it won't require any planning at all on our part. The big dystopia never ends up arriving. Maybe this era is the worst dystopia.
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Post by viciousbliss on Apr 26, 2024 19:27:03 GMT -6
The new Motley song is supposedly heavily reliant on AI. Some have said they hired Bob Rock largely due to his being able to enhance stuff with AI. Based on what I'm hearing, it sounds like it could be AI. It sorta sounds like a song, but it also sounds too rudimentary. Like there's a streak of creativity that's missing. But modern music is so fake that it can be hard to tell the difference. I mean, all these fake instruments that have been put in perfect time by a DAW. Fake vocals, unnaturally perfect pitch. Then following the same corporate formulas. It's assembly line music made for AI to have little issues duplicating. Maybe this is the future of audio? Being able to setup AI to recreate things when the bands are no longer willing and/or able to do them?
If this is the way things are gonna go, then I could see musicians and engineers once again trying to go back and do things organically. Like the mentality behind the Terrifier movies. It was all about doing things with practical effects and trying to ditch all the modern excesses without worrying about making a ton of money. I think people are looking to take back their entertainment from these soulless corporate machines. Maybe we'll get back to this 1990s mentality when it comes to some genres of music. Those bands weren't making a lot of money, but we got albums like Symbolic, Storm Of The Light's Bane, Down, Mandylion, Something Wicked, Anthems, Nexus Polaris, Domination, Voodoo, Morningrise, just all this stuff where they were motivated. The drive was there to take on the soulless corporate behemoth of MTV.
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Post by viciousbliss on Apr 26, 2024 19:09:49 GMT -6
What version should you get? Professional. Just wait for it to be $99 again. The other version is missing some of the tweaks.
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Post by viciousbliss on Apr 25, 2024 23:57:35 GMT -6
Hopefully some people much better than we have in our current world governments...hah If you don't mind, I'm not going to hold my breath, OK? The feds can't seem to figure out the simplest of things - and AI? Pffft. It will take them a century to figure out the basics, and by then who knows where we are.... Might be down to people like Kurzweil and other futurists. It's almost something that can't be controlled via legislation. But when the tech inevitably exists to end resource scarcity, fix psych problems that cause criminal impulses, provide basically free housing and energy, and cure or prevent most any medical problem including aging, what do you really need an imposing government for? Once people start augmenting their brains to become radically more intelligent, who is going to want to start wars? Even visionary filmmakers have never understood technology. They create these movies about the future but still leave a lot of 20th century limitations in them. Star Wars cracks me up like that, especially now that they're showing stuff that's taken place thousands of years before the first movies. In that universe technology just stopped advancing and everything was largely the same for thousands of years. You have space ships with lightspeed, advanced cybernetics, laser weapons, carbon freezing, extremely advanced AI in robots, all this stuff, but they still age and no one has anything resembling a cell phone.
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Post by viciousbliss on Apr 25, 2024 15:39:14 GMT -6
I'm curious if anyone else has compared the Bricasti to Inspirata. That's the one people on forums say is closest to that Bricasti quality. I've tried them back to back using the Bricasti from Access Analog and thought that Inspirata retained the most of that hardware's quality of any other plugin I compared it against. Probably posted about it here back when I did. THAT’S what I started the thread for…I knew I’d heard of some plug everyone was hyping as a “new standard.” (Not that I read Gearslutz) It was mainly on Vi-Control where they talked about it. I was asking the same question you are now, just doing Google searches to see what the consensus was regarding what plugin held up against the Bricasti the best. As I probably said in older threads, I got Inspirata Professional on a sale for over $300 and then they put all editions on sale for $100 like 10 days later. The one where you have to email for pricing wasn't included though. It definitely was the only one that retained the majority of the fullness of the Bricasti when I played them back to back using Access Analog. Inspirata uses a ton of cpu and isn't always the best choice, but it's always possible to make it work. Most of the time I use the SP2016. Inspirata is extremely versatile with all the different IRs and adjustable settings.
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Post by viciousbliss on Apr 25, 2024 15:32:57 GMT -6
Quite daunting to consider the big picture, things definitely have to be managed carefully. Who are we trusting to manage things carefully? Hopefully some people much better than we have in our current world governments...hah
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Post by viciousbliss on Apr 25, 2024 4:44:32 GMT -6
I'm curious if anyone else has compared the Bricasti to Inspirata. That's the one people on forums say is closest to that Bricasti quality. I've tried them back to back using the Bricasti from Access Analog and thought that Inspirata retained the most of that hardware's quality of any other plugin I compared it against. Probably posted about it here back when I did.
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Post by viciousbliss on Apr 25, 2024 4:41:34 GMT -6
Made me think I'd have another 4-5 years to decide whether to bother doing anything with audio. But who knows when AI will be able to apply classic production styles to something someone recorded. There's certainly a lot to think about. Current thoughts from the coders are that we essentially have 6 years +/- until life as we know it is completely turned upside down. This is not just music, but society in general. Seems a bit quick, but the last 6 months of song AI has progressed exponentially, no matter what the naysayers may say. Buckle up. One of these days I have to get around to finishing the "Life in 2030" vid from Matt Griffin on Youtube. Quality of life now is worse than two decades ago in some ways. Seems that for a lot of people we need this technological revolution just to have access to some basic things again. Probably a lot of better stuff will happen too. Quite daunting to consider the big picture, things definitely have to be managed carefully.
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Post by viciousbliss on Apr 23, 2024 14:25:29 GMT -6
Can't say I have much to add. These AI-generated songs posted throughout this thread are pretty impressive. I can't tell they're AI. Modern music has become so formulaic and generic that it feels like it was made by an algorithm. When do you guys think this emphasis on formulas really took hold? I'm gonna say it started after American Idol. After 2002. The labels aren't about taking risks. And the more popular labels that sold Metal got, the more they tried to copy existing formulas and trends. I remember The End Records back when it was all sort of unique stuff 24+ years ago and I had to mail money orders in to buy stuff. Music does not have the significance that it once did. Before, if you scratched a cd, you were largely screwed. You'd have to buy another copy if you could even find one. More and more stuff that took a lot of effort for me to obtain keeps popping up on streaming. I never thought AOR like Nexx's Colours and Another Dawn would be easy to find 20 years after their release. And that's just the latest one to show up.
If I didn't mention it in any previous discussion, go check out Kurzweil on the Rogan podcast. He gives a much broader picture of the societal changes about to happen. There's no real going backwards overall. A lot of entertainment fans are going backwards though and pulling it off pretty well as creators in music and video. It's inevitable that eventually AI generates us all our own unique stuff. Creative industries aren't the only ones about to become more obsolete. There's so much more. UBI will probably be a big thing for the 2028 election season if it doesn't get setup before then. Money itself is going to be less and less relevant as new tech causes prices to plummet on just about everything. Right now we're seeing high prices and vastly reduced purchasing power compared to decades ago, but it's only temporary.
My guess is we start to see splits in society. Segments that want to keep tech at a certain level, sort of like an Amish mentality. Then other segments that want to transcend being a basic biological being and augment themselves with cybernetics and things like that. There shouldn't be much of an incentive for war and mass destruction since there won't be resource scarcity. Kurzweil was talking about 2029 being when AI really starts to equal higher human intelligence. Made me think I'd have another 4-5 years to decide whether to bother doing anything with audio. But who knows when AI will be able to apply classic production styles to something someone recorded. There's certainly a lot to think about. People will have a lot more freedom to use their time how they want while also not being constrained by lack of money. That will probably mean a lot more who want to work on music when they couldn't afford to before.
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Post by viciousbliss on Apr 23, 2024 4:51:07 GMT -6
Thanks to this thread I just started putting the Green PA Shadow Hills plugin all over everything. Now I'm doing buss compression with it and using it across the whole ITB mix. Compared it against a lot of other plugin compressors like Unisum, Mike-E, SSL Native Compressor 2, the things I used to use a lot. I ended up vastly preferring the Shadow Hills sound. Just the way it smooths things and organizes the stereo image. It's difficult for things to throw it off. The plugin still retains a lot of the characteristics of the hardware, I can largely set it the same way-though I've heard the first 50 serial numbers are much more colored than the production model that this plugin is probably based off of. Being able to switch those output transformers is very helpful too. Lots of people have said the plugin is not so great but I think it's actually very underrated. One of these days I may try running each track through the hardware and see what I think. But I still feel like ITB mixing is a different artform than mixing with hardware on tracks.
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Post by viciousbliss on Apr 21, 2024 10:24:59 GMT -6
The UAD Studer makes the kick better but sounds like crap on the cymbals. I compared it with U-he Satin presets. Satin sounds nicer on the cymbals with less of an obvious headbump on the kick but on some of the presets, it's easy to make the kick transients crap out the tape. Which of the presets do you like best? I usually go with GP9. When I need to save cpu, I'll use Tapedesk or Phoenix instead of Satin. Never driving either of those two all that much. Maybe I'll try subbing in UAD Studer. Whenever I do a new computer build, hopefully I'll be able to significantly increase the amount of mono Satin instances I can use.
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Post by viciousbliss on Apr 18, 2024 18:50:31 GMT -6
I'll second the recommendations for the Aurora N and VSX.
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Post by viciousbliss on Apr 15, 2024 18:50:14 GMT -6
If I ever got the chance to use a setup like Bill's, I imagine it would be a radically different experience and I'd have to learn what works and what doesn't. Could be. . All I know is that for me, there is no abandoning a true hybrid setup. There is MUCH more to mixing than just "sound" and sonics. Are you still using a lot of plugins? What's interesting is how hardware increases the dynamic range. The mix with the hardware-treated file was DR13 and the pure ITB mix was DR12. An experienced mastering guy once told me that the ITB mixes he received didn't really have much in the way of dynamics compared to hybrid or pure analog mixes he mastered. There was a few things I had to change up just adding these Shadow Hills plugins. The other thing with hybrid is that you have to be able to play the mix all the way through without the cpu running out of processing. So, I'm guessing most hybrid mixes are using something like AAX DSP or really efficient native stuff. If I recall, you've got a really great Pro Tools HD setup. A lot of times when I'm loading up instances of Satin, I'll be lucky if I can get five seconds of playback lol
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Post by viciousbliss on Apr 14, 2024 18:38:39 GMT -6
I did a little experiment with this fan-made instrumental of Invaders by Iron Maiden that I recorded some vocals over years ago. One instrumental file had the Shadow Hills Green plugin and one the hardware. Opto and Discrete both on. Vocals just had the plugin on the mono tracks. Then I ran the hybrid mix and the ITB mix through the same hybrid master chain. What I found was that I could get a better balanced mix ITB and also compensate for the loss of the SH hardware on the instrumental track at the mastering stage. It sounded like the hardware was bringing a lot more transient energy than the plugin. Much more lively. Reminded me of what happens when you turn the input up on the SPL PQ plugin. And turning the PQ input up more on the ITB mix definitely allowed me to get that missing mojo back. But I did have to make a few different decisions in regard to balancing with the hybrid mix, so it wasn't a case of replacing the plugin with the hardware and using the same settings. What I'm finding is that the plugins generally preserve the signature character of what they're emulating. They're just tossing out a lot of the mojo. And I do find it significantly more challenging to blend hardware with plugins inside a mix.
If I ever got the chance to use a setup like Bill's, I imagine it would be a radically different experience and I'd have to learn what works and what doesn't. So, my approach at the moment is to observe what plugins and hardware bring to the table and find ways to make them compliment each other. It'd be interesting to really see what things cannot be compensated for.
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