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Post by iamasound on Jan 24, 2019 3:36:30 GMT -6
Yes, thats what im getting at. Fairchild has been a semiconductor buisness for many years now. I’b be very surpised if they haven’t improved whatever original transistors in the original KM84 twice fold over by now. I dont think they are in the buisness to supply audio nerds with vintage 70’s NOS transistors for our mics. I think its a play at the name tbh. Could careless about the transistors. Now once again repeat after me ITS ALL ABOUT THE CAPSULE! It's like deja vu all over again😊
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Post by matt@IAA on Jan 24, 2019 4:16:41 GMT -6
Soyuz 0-13 does have way more gain and it does have a lot more highs when i compared it to my km84 but hey lets not go down another Soyuz vs Neumann scenario. Yes if there’s a knock against the 84 is that the gain may be a little anemic. At the same time I’ve often wondered if part of “that Neumann sound” is how the gain limitation plays into dynamics acting almost as a kind of compression.
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Post by stormymondays on Jan 24, 2019 4:39:06 GMT -6
All I will add is that in my studio the difference hasn’t been subtle. It’s a fantastic tool that makes your job easier. I’ll echo drbill’s words.
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Post by M57 on Jan 24, 2019 5:53:00 GMT -6
When a review comes out right as the thing hits the market, one has to wonder if they have any affiliation with Warm. I'm definitely in the market for a pair of these.. Regardless, if they live up to anywhere near the hype that you know is coming, they're probably a great value.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 24, 2019 7:05:56 GMT -6
Somebody beta test everything, there is nothing usual about that.
Seems to me someone running a studio in nashville probably knows that they are doing and if you can listen to their work that is bonus.
I emailed Warm yesterday and asked if the caps can be removed and was told yes. They indicated that additional caps is a possibility depending on demand.
Wonder: would peeps prefer to be able to order say individual caps or perhaps get a set: hyper-cardio and omni ? This is me wondering. I wasn't asked to ask.
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Post by M57 on Jan 24, 2019 7:32:44 GMT -6
I don't know about hyper-cardiod, but I would think that to keep the price-point low, they should probably offer omni caps separately, and leave a small space for an extra set of caps in the case that comes with the mic (especially the stereo pair) That would be a great way to encourage the add-on sale.
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Post by Quint on Jan 24, 2019 8:07:04 GMT -6
I don't know about hyper-cardiod, but if I would think that to keep the price-point low, they should probably offer omni caps separately, and leave a small space for an extra set of caps in the case that comes with the mic (especially the stereo pair) That would be a great way to encourage the add-on sale. Agreed. I think most people would care more about the omni caps over the hypercardioid caps.
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Post by Mister Chase on Jan 24, 2019 18:14:02 GMT -6
I am officially interested at that price even if it just gets me in the ballpark and sounds good. Lets see how it goes.
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Post by mike on Jan 24, 2019 19:37:53 GMT -6
Acoustic audio clips at the beginning and end of this video of the W-84
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Post by M57 on Jan 24, 2019 19:53:17 GMT -6
I'm impressed. Looks like I may have to pick up a pair. I'm most curious about how its off-axis response specs compare to that of the KM-84.
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Post by besonique on Jan 25, 2019 5:04:56 GMT -6
To me, a really interesting test would be recording a string quartet or a piano, to see how (un)colored the off axis response is.
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Post by Guitar on Jan 25, 2019 6:37:59 GMT -6
I'm impressed that they emulated the original capsule, rather than using some off the shelf chinese cheapo thing.
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Post by Vincent R. on Jan 25, 2019 10:13:43 GMT -6
I'm impressed that they emulated the original capsule, rather than using some off the shelf chinese cheapo thing. They have said that before, yet their 414 and new 251 are still using a CEK12 and not a CK12. It’s not how they advertise it, but it is in their manual for the new 251. It’s all brass, but still a CEK12. It’s amazing how you can spin things in marketing.
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Post by Guitar on Jan 25, 2019 10:24:15 GMT -6
I'm impressed that they emulated the original capsule, rather than using some off the shelf chinese cheapo thing. They have said that before, yet their 414 and new 251 are still using a CEK12 and not a CK12. It’s not how they advertise it, but it is in their manual for the new 251. It’s all brass, but still a CEK12. It’s amazing how you can spin things in marketing. Yeah, that is a very important distinction! I still haven't owned a historically accurate CK12 but that's on my big wish list for my next set of mic builds. I think my ADK GK-12d is more of a CEK12 style, but whatever magic they use, it's much better than the Peluso capsules I used before it.
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Post by Vincent R. on Jan 25, 2019 10:35:07 GMT -6
They have said that before, yet their 414 and new 251 are still using a CEK12 and not a CK12. It’s not how they advertise it, but it is in their manual for the new 251. It’s all brass, but still a CEK12. It’s amazing how you can spin things in marketing. Yeah, that is a very important distinction! I still haven't owned a historically accurate CK12 but that's on my big wish list for my next set of mic builds. I think my ADK GK-12d is more of a CEK12 style, but whatever magic they use, it's much better than the Peluso capsules I used before it. My wife used a Korby Kat 251 for a session and I owned the CM251 and have BLUEs B0 cap. That Korby was something special. The engineer was actually mad, cause he couldn’t find the shockmount for his Bock 251, so we just used the Korby which he said was nearly as good, but not quite. Knowing that Shannon was most likely behind that Korby Kat 251 head makes a lot of sense.
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Post by johneppstein on Jan 26, 2019 2:11:41 GMT -6
Now that I have a pair of 84s (after a long and stressful hunt), I might grab these to shoot them out I'd like to hear that. Do an off-axis test. too. And a test on acoustic guitar from 2-1/2 to 3 feet.
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Post by Ward on Jan 26, 2019 10:09:43 GMT -6
Two thoughts . . .
Venting: Thta's the key to the KM 84 off-axis rejection. sound goes in the top and the crap comes out the vents, rather than going in them. It works flawlessly. Copy that exactly to copy a KM84, well, and the capsule and the tranny.
PRICES. Hopefully, with enough 'exact-enough' cloning going on, the outrageous pricing and profiteering of some of the old originals will moderate a bit. Yes, they're valuable, but come on, some of the price escalation has been out to lunch. There's no need of the 1000% price escalations we've seen on sone pieces since the late 1990s.
(and btw that 3% difference usually makes all the difference)
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Post by Guitar on Jan 26, 2019 10:58:04 GMT -6
I think the vent size has more to do with the high frequency response. I think the off axis response benefits from the edge of the capsule housing being low profile, the capsule is right up close to the very tip of its body. There are fewer reflections happening than something with a big lip around it. This is something I have verified in my own SDC capsule mods. You can read my insane blog about it if you're interested dantonewac.blogspot.com it was a learning experience... didn't really end up with great mics, but learned a bit.
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Post by stormymondays on Jan 27, 2019 13:18:16 GMT -6
Apparently someone visited the Warm Audio booth at NAMM and they say it can accept original Neumann capsules.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 27, 2019 13:26:34 GMT -6
Interesting, if most of the off axis benefit is derived from the capsule/depth, it will be interesting to know how similar the pick up characteristics are?
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Post by drbill on Jan 27, 2019 13:41:03 GMT -6
Apparently someone visited the Warm Audio booth at NAMM and they say it can accept original Neumann capsules. Hmmm.. That would make for some interesting body vs capsule mix and match comparative testing......... Although I swear I saw pics somewhere where the capsules were laid out on their own, and they weren't the same connection as an 84. Maybe I imagined it? It's possible....
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Post by Vincent R. on Jan 27, 2019 14:17:14 GMT -6
Now you have peaked my interest.
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Post by ragan on Jan 27, 2019 14:27:19 GMT -6
Warm had confirmed on GS that you can swap capsules.
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Post by Guitar on Jan 27, 2019 14:33:42 GMT -6
So one could stick a KM184 capsule on a Warm body?
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Post by drbill on Jan 27, 2019 14:44:27 GMT -6
Warm had confirmed on GS that you can swap capsules. Have they posted a pic?
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