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Post by Guitar on Jan 23, 2019 16:29:27 GMT -6
Now I'm suddenly very interested in the Warbler 127 C... heh.
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Post by matt@IAA on Jan 23, 2019 17:19:03 GMT -6
Ah what does that have to do with your comment re 84 mikes ? Because there’s not very many factories that make mics in China. It’s “internet knowledge” (unconfirmed) that Guosheng is the Australian capsule manufacturer warm uses. We know Warm’s other gear is at least partially made in China, and the relationship with 3U means it’s a reasonable assumption that the mic is being made by 3U in the same factory that the 3U mics are made in. Nothing nefarious or sketchy about it. Maybe the internals are 100% different, or different specifications. So maybe it’s a hot rodded 127. A Lexus is still a Toyota, no? Anyway it’s not a dig at all. 3U makes nice mics. If anything, I’ve always heard the transformer was the weak link. So a 3U with an upgraded transformer is probably awesome. They’re gonna sell like hot cakes.
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Post by sirthought on Jan 23, 2019 18:54:07 GMT -6
So a stereo pair of this mic will also be in the same price range that I could pick up the Beyerdynamic MC 930 new on Reverb.
I wonder how good these will be?
I currently have a pair of Michael Joly modded MC-012 which I've been pretty happy with overall.
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Post by M57 on Jan 23, 2019 19:31:09 GMT -6
I want to know if the capsule can be swapped out. You would think Warm would offer omni's as an accessory/add-on.
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Post by Blackdawg on Jan 23, 2019 19:38:11 GMT -6
Doubt it. The vents are built into the body. Only the first 1/4" or so looks like it is removable.
My money is on them sounding nothing like a km84
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Post by soundintheround on Jan 23, 2019 20:05:58 GMT -6
Yess! Was hoping for someone to do the KM84.
To be honest not a huge fan of Warm Audio (I’d rather pay $200-300 extra on average than their pricepoints and get a closer clone)......they cut 1 too many corners in my opinion in order to make it an easy financial decision for the average musician/consumer.
I find myself more in the Stam Audio price point. But i do like Warm Audio delivery times. Lol
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Jan 23, 2019 20:10:03 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 23, 2019 20:10:03 GMT -6
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Post by soundintheround on Jan 23, 2019 20:12:03 GMT -6
Just saw warm audio’s press release. Funny they tout that it uses fairchild transistors.
Actually surprised no companies haven’t tried that tactic before. Not sure what the 2019 fairchild transistor in some modern electronics package really has to do with THE fairchild tube compressor.... but hey im sure will convince someone out there to buy it.
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Jan 23, 2019 20:17:12 GMT -6
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Post by soundintheround on Jan 23, 2019 20:17:12 GMT -6
Yeh let’s trust the person that obviously has a close relationship with Warm and gets their products early...and possibky for free. Hmm I think ill wait til the SOS review or ultimatley a youtube video comparing it side by side with the original.
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Post by soundintheround on Jan 23, 2019 20:34:56 GMT -6
Just saw warm audio’s press release. Funny they tout that it uses fairchild transistors. Actually surprised no companies haven’t tried that tactic before. Not sure what the 2019 fairchild transistor in some modern electronics package really has to do with THE fairchild tube compressor.... but hey im sure will convince someone out there to buy it. WARM (hopefully) aren’t trying to sucker people with the Fairchild name - Fairchild made all sorts of things other than the 660/670 including mics and other Compressors some of which people like/love/hate and, yes, they made transistors which the Km84 used so they are basically saying “same guts as original” no idea if a 2019 Fairchild transistor is the same thing as the old, if they are using NOS or what Yes, thats what im getting at. Fairchild has been a semiconductor buisness for many years now. I’b be very surpised if they haven’t improved whatever original transistors in the original KM84 twice fold over by now. I dont think they are in the buisness to supply audio nerds with vintage 70’s NOS transistors for our mics. I think its a play at the name tbh.
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Warm WA-84
Jan 23, 2019 20:42:36 GMT -6
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Post by soundintheround on Jan 23, 2019 20:42:36 GMT -6
Yes, thats what im getting at. Fairchild has been a semiconductor buisness for many years now. I’b be very surpised if they haven’t improved whatever original transistors in the original KM84 twice fold over by now. I dont think they are in the buisness to supply audio nerds with vintage 70’s NOS transistors for our mics. I think its a play at the name tbh. Ah cool sorry I thought you were implying people would think of the legendary 670 and they were trying to ride that (you know like all those people who buy some of the other overpriced sh*tty Fairchild gear for way too much only because of the name) I’d still be in for a pair of semi-overpriced reissue from Neumann I am kinda saying that lol $399 is too cheap. I’d love a real pair too. If anyone can do it....Josh can do it. Josh just keep it under $800 and make it sound right.
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Warm WA-84
Jan 23, 2019 20:54:51 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 23, 2019 20:54:51 GMT -6
Yeh let’s trust the person that obviously has a close relationship with Warm and gets their products early...and possibky for free. Hmm I think ill wait til the SOS review or ultimatley a youtube video comparing it side by side with the original. ah whose character aren’t we going to impinge? Or who is up to your credibility standards? How much revenue does SOS get from its advertisers? I never understand the constant anti Warm harping. We’ve been so through this before. They build to a price point but also follow the original build to that price point. It’s up to the customer to define value. Let’s see, I can get two likely very good sounding 84 clones for less than the price of one real one used, that is likely damaged or abused or needs a new cap or I can drop at least twice the price or more for two good real ones. Are two real 84’s going to sound 100% better than the warm’s or other clones: I doubt it. So, people need to decide, hopefully using their own ears, what the best value proposition is for them : Warm, 3U, microphone parts diy are all viable options or spends a lot more and get real ones. I had joli modded 12’s before and liked them ,but if the wa84 have a little more body, I will prefer them. People seem to consistently report that real 84’s have a sort of magical or very special quality, yet I also know people who have had them and sold them. Personally , I really liked the Soyuz sdc too and thought they had a special quality as well. It’s good to have a variety of choices at different price points and due to our different preferences.
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Warm WA-84
Jan 23, 2019 21:06:47 GMT -6
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Post by ragan on Jan 23, 2019 21:06:47 GMT -6
Just saw warm audio’s press release. Funny they tout that it uses fairchild transistors. Actually surprised no companies haven’t tried that tactic before. Not sure what the 2019 fairchild transistor in some modern electronics package really has to do with THE fairchild tube compressor.... but hey im sure will convince someone out there to buy it. Has zero to do with the compressor.
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Post by ragan on Jan 23, 2019 21:09:39 GMT -6
Yeh let’s trust the person that obviously has a close relationship with Warm and gets their products early...and possibky for free. Hmm I think ill wait til the SOS review or ultimatley a youtube video comparing it side by side with the original. ah whose character aren’t we going to impinge? Or who is up to your credibility standards? How much revenue does SOS get from its advertisers? I never understand the constant anti Warm harping. We’ve been so through this before. They build to a price point but also follow the original build to that price point. It’s up to the customer to define value. Let’s see, I can get two likely very good sounding 84 clones for less than the price of one real one used, that is likely damaged or abused or needs a new cap or I can drop at least twice the price or more for two good real ones. Are two real 84’s going to sound 100% better than the warm’s or other clones: I doubt it. So, people need to decide, hopefully using their own ears, what the best value proposition is for them : Warm, 3U, microphone parts diy are all viable options or spends a lot more and get real ones. I had joli modded 12’s before and liked them ,but if the wa84 have a little more body, I will prefer them. People seem to consistently report that real 84’s have a sort of magical or very special quality, yet I also know people who have had them and sold them. Personally , I really liked the Soyuz sdc too and thought they had a special quality as well. It’s good to have a variety of choices at different price points and due to our different preferences. KM84s absolutely do have a magical quality. As long as the files are labeled. 😬
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 23, 2019 21:22:17 GMT -6
I’ve got the 84 bug again...even though I’ve been through this several times - bought, bought another sdc, then sold the 84 because the difference wasn’t enough to justify the price...then end up hitting for the cycle again in six months.
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Post by ragan on Jan 23, 2019 21:23:35 GMT -6
Hell I still want one even though I didn’t pick it blind.
The legend is powerful.
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Post by ericn on Jan 23, 2019 21:31:01 GMT -6
I’ve got the 84 bug again...even though I’ve been through this several times - bought, bought another sdc, then sold the 84 because the difference wasn’t enough to justify the price...then end up hitting for the cycle again in six months. Who keeps those prices up all by his lonesome 😁
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Warm WA-84
Jan 23, 2019 21:31:19 GMT -6
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Post by soundintheround on Jan 23, 2019 21:31:19 GMT -6
Just saw warm audio’s press release. Funny they tout that it uses fairchild transistors. Actually surprised no companies haven’t tried that tactic before. Not sure what the 2019 fairchild transistor in some modern electronics package really has to do with THE fairchild tube compressor.... but hey im sure will convince someone out there to buy it. Has zero to do with the compressor. Yes I understand that. I design PCBs for electronics industy and I often use fairchild parts.
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Post by ericn on Jan 23, 2019 21:33:36 GMT -6
WARM (hopefully) aren’t trying to sucker people with the Fairchild name - Fairchild made all sorts of things other than the 660/670 including mics and other Compressors some of which people like/love/hate and, yes, they made transistors which the Km84 used so they are basically saying “same guts as original” no idea if a 2019 Fairchild transistor is the same thing as the old, if they are using NOS or what Yes, thats what im getting at. Fairchild has been a semiconductor buisness for many years now. I’b be very surpised if they haven’t improved whatever original transistors in the original KM84 twice fold over by now. I dont think they are in the buisness to supply audio nerds with vintage 70’s NOS transistors for our mics. I think its a play at the name tbh. Could careless about the transistors. Now once again repeat after me ITS ALL ABOUT THE CAPSULE!
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Warm WA-84
Jan 23, 2019 21:35:32 GMT -6
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Post by ragan on Jan 23, 2019 21:35:32 GMT -6
Has zero to do with the compressor. Yes I understand that. I design PCBs for electronics industy and I often use fairchild parts. All the more reason to not understand your leap to conclude that they were somehow linking the transistors with a 670.
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Post by drbill on Jan 23, 2019 21:44:02 GMT -6
If you keep the mic under 4" off the 12th fret of your Acoustic Guitar, or 4 feet over your drum kit, or 2" off your snare drum, yeah, there are some mics that can approximate the 84 pretty well. (The Joly modded 012's being the closest I've heard)
But that's the easy stuff. Getting back in the room with an 84, away from close mic-ing, or mic-ing off axis, or in the room where you've got bleed from other instruments - THAT'S where the magic of the 84 rears it's head and devours all comers.
I'd be willing to bet the Warm sounds pretty good when placed right up on the source. If it can pull off the magic when pulled back into the room away from the source and yield the amazing tone of an 84 at distance or off axis, THEN I will be impressed. Part of the magic is how amazing the 84 makes the ROOM sound - not just the source. I suspect i'll never hear clips like that. I didn't even really realize how special an 84 was for years after owning two of them. I don't see how you can "do clips" and really demonstrate what a real 84 does. You have to use it, and move it around to recognize the genius. Yeah, Neumann really should re-issue them. If they did it right, I'd guess they would sell 5,000 the first year alone.
When I hear the "yup, sounds just like an 84" comments, I am pretty sure the person commenting has not used the 84 to it's full potential in a good or even decent room. Pull back lads.....
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Post by Blackdawg on Jan 23, 2019 22:30:50 GMT -6
Drbill. You took the words right out of my mouth. Get out if my head Anyone that isn't highly skeptical that they will sound the same has not truely experienced a real km84. The capsule won't be the same. So it won't be the same. Simple as that.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jan 23, 2019 22:54:27 GMT -6
I used KM84's on most of the acoustic guitar tracks on my new album. Used the Soyuz 0-13 on one or two, and the Soyuz 0-19 FET on another. drbill makes a very good point, something about the Neumann is special. Anywhere you put it, it sounds right. The Soyuz was the only thing I've heard that's in the same class. It's a little different, quieter, more gain, and maybe a bit stronger highs.
Every other imitation I've heard just doesn't really get there, even the KM-184 doesn't have the right low end.
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Post by sam on Jan 23, 2019 23:16:52 GMT -6
I’ve got the 84 bug again...even though I’ve been through this several times - bought, bought another sdc, then sold the 84 because the difference wasn’t enough to justify the price...then end up hitting for the cycle again in six months. Oh man this is exactly how I’m feeling. It’s taking a lot for me not to sell them, grab a pair of RN17s, and enjoy the rest of the cash
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Post by hadaja on Jan 24, 2019 2:16:01 GMT -6
Soyuz 0-13 does have way more gain and it does have a lot more highs when i compared it to my km84 but hey lets not go down another Soyuz vs Neumann scenario.
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