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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 20, 2019 8:04:30 GMT -6
I have struggled with my room and done a bunch to treat it.
I have also built monitor stands and ensured they are very rigid.
I have had a variety of good medium to high end monitors but over the last while I just started using my cans : getting tired of the room gremlins.
I notice someone locally is selling a good pair of Alpine spikes ( steel 75 lbs each) and including the adjustable isolation stands.
I used to sell stereo stuff so I understand the theory of best isolation for monitors.
Anybody here using higher end stands and if so , your comments ?
Thanks.
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Post by 79sg on Jan 20, 2019 9:18:33 GMT -6
We have 2 sets of monitors in our room, both are on Sound Anchor stands, expensive, worth every penny and never think about stands anymore.
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Post by stormymondays on Jan 20, 2019 10:00:43 GMT -6
I don’t have high end stands, but I have what I think is a good enough solution. I had them custom built from solid wood, filled with sand, and put in place with Blu-Tak. On top of the stands I have Primacoustic recoils. It’s all rock solid to me.
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Post by drbill on Jan 20, 2019 10:59:08 GMT -6
Sound Anchors. I'm happy with them.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 11:45:26 GMT -6
Plaster filled Towersonic here for my ATCs, love them, definite improvement in sound.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 20, 2019 12:43:36 GMT -6
Which type of towersonics ?
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Post by ericn on Jan 20, 2019 15:43:16 GMT -6
In the States Sound Anchors have been the standard for years, not because they reinvented the wheel, but because of their knowledge and options. Just about any local welding shop can build you a great pair of Stands, Sound Anchors has just built enough that their is less communication involved. Now you might have to weight as long for your custom Sound Anchors as a Stam 1176. The best stands are the ones built right for the speakers and offer the best support and isolation for the speaker and height for the application. Before I would even buy another set of Sound Anchors I would contact Jeff Headback for a consultation and see if he could help get my room to an even higher plain. As a speaker guy there are things Jeff and I disagree on but for the money I can’t think of a way to get more out of your room / monitors.
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Post by ericn on Jan 20, 2019 15:47:48 GMT -6
Plaster filled Towersonic here for my ATCs, love them, definite improvement in sound. Interesting - never heard of anyone filling a stand with plaster. On the surface it seems like it would conduct sound as well/poorly as drywall but since you seem to know your stuff I hightly doubt that. What kind of plaster? How does it compare to sand/lead shot? Incidentally I use sound anchors I think your coming at this the wrong way, it sounds like your thinking of this in terms of STC in a wall application of .75-1.5 in. Here it is simply providing the mass to dampen and fill the stand.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 16:15:28 GMT -6
Plaster filled Towersonic here for my ATCs, love them, definite improvement in sound. Interesting - never heard of anyone filling a stand with plaster. On the surface it seems like it would conduct sound as well/poorly as drywall but since you seem to know your stuff I hightly doubt that. What kind of plaster? How does it compare to sand/lead shot? Incidentally I use sound anchors I'm afraid it was nothing as fancy as knowing my shit, just that I was offered the Plaster of Paris for free, whereas if I had had to obtain sand or shot, it would have been expensive and taken time to deliver. My landlord offered me the plaster for free, in our basement, so we went for it, filled the hollow stands with large black plastic bin bags, and then poured the fine plaster powder into those, inside the stands, with no water, to the top. I'm pretty sure it's heavier and more compacted than sand or shot would be. It would be pretty hard to A/B things with shot or sand, but for my purposes, it works, and sounds great.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 20, 2019 17:47:45 GMT -6
In terms of filling stands I think two things matter inertness and poor transmission characteristics?
Both speak to dampening and reduction in sympathetic vibration so no artifacts getting in the way of the purest original signal coming out of the speaker?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 2:52:14 GMT -6
When I tap my stands, it's like the sound gets sucked into a black hole.
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Post by svart on Jan 21, 2019 8:45:17 GMT -6
I don't think your stands are giving you issues. Don't go down the rabbit hole of expecting such small differences in sound to suddenly "fix" your larger issues. The problem is more likely that you're continuously changing your room response while chasing gremlins, and because of that you never get used to anything you hear. A tiny change is not going to make a huge difference, even though I'm sure you want it to. We all want that, but it's just not the reality of recording!
You're still more likely having issue with your monitor's sound in general, or the room still has bad modes at the mixing position.
It's an unfortunate reality that room sound control still can't overcome a lot of things that it's claimed to alleviate, or sometimes can make things worse if it's absorbing too much and starts to lead to negative modes in rooms if you have too much of it in a tiny space.
If you have tons of sound control, try removing some of it and see if it makes things a bit more likable.
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Post by nick8801 on Jan 21, 2019 8:52:04 GMT -6
I have struggled with my room and done a bunch to treat it. I have also built monitor stands and ensured they are very rigid. I have had a variety of good medium to high end monitors but over the last while I just started using my cans : getting tired of the room gremlins. I notice someone locally is selling a good pair of Alpine spikes ( steel 75 lbs each) and including the adjustable isolation stands. I used to sell stereo stuff so I understand the theory of best isolation for monitors. Anybody here using higher end stands and if so , your comments ? Thanks. Do you have some pics you care to share of your room and monitor placement? Some dimensions would help too. What kind of monitors are you using? I just finished a pretty intensive acoustics course and would be glad to offer some suggestions. It helped me to get my studio in check, and I just rebuilt a friend’s place with great results.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 21, 2019 8:59:22 GMT -6
Good advice Chris and perspective is very important. I have some debt maturing in 2 weeks I needed to pay of so sold a few tings to get that gremlin off my back. I have taken a lite bit of a flyer and bought some new to me passive monitors that Jim Williams recommended Goldenear Tech aon2: kind of like a cross between focal shape and adams with passive radiators but no on board dsp. They are well reviewed. Emotiva has b stock or repacked amps so I ordered one of their small amps. So got the scratch together to pay off a larger debt and have some groovy new monitors to get used to. I think I will sit tight with other changes and just get to know these for now. www.gcpedia.gc.ca/wiki/CIOB_Application_Portfolio_Management
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Post by mcirish on Jan 21, 2019 9:58:04 GMT -6
I don't think you have to spend a fortune on monitor stands. My understanding is that you want inert mass to prevent vibrations from the cabinet coupling to the stand and thus the floor. I have two different kinds of stands. One I built out of 4"PVC and the other is a wood kit I bought. Both work equally well. I also have isolation pads on top of the stands. I don't feel any vibrations in the stands. Heck, i don't feel any vibrations touching the speaker cabinets either. (LYD48 & Air 6) If your stand is solid, I'd move on with more important things.
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Post by Quint on Jan 21, 2019 10:58:26 GMT -6
I keep reading about people using heavy/rigid stands in addition to some sort of isolation pad like sorbothane or the Isoacoustic stuff between the monitor and the stand.
Are both really necessary? Shouldn't one or the other be enough, assuming that each system is properly designed to do it's intended job?
If a stand is sufficiently heavy and rigid enough to not transmit vibrations, then why would you also need a pad of some kind? Conversely, if the isolation pad is sufficiently decoupling the monitor from the stand, then the monitor stand is more or less removed from the equation, yes?
Now if neither the stand or the pad are completely up to the task, I guess I can see how the combination of the two might combine together to get you all the way there.
I'm just curious about why I see so many people using both.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 21, 2019 11:02:21 GMT -6
I have the same concern, but think the pads serve to completely decouple the monitor from the stand and the stand from everything from the room/desk/floor ?
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Post by Quint on Jan 21, 2019 11:14:14 GMT -6
I have the same concern, but think the pads serve to completely decouple the monitor from the stand and the stand from everything from the room/desk/floor ? Yeah, but decoupled is decoupled. If one system provides complete decoupling, you can't somehow decouple it even further by using a redundant system.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 21, 2019 12:45:57 GMT -6
I don’t disagree but think the argument for iso stands etc is to stop any sympathetic relationship between the speaker box and the stand ?
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Post by svart on Jan 21, 2019 14:17:38 GMT -6
I keep reading about people using heavy/rigid stands in addition to some sort of isolation pad like sorbothane or the Isoacoustic stuff between the monitor and the stand. Are both really necessary? Shouldn't one or the other be enough, assuming that each system is properly designed to do it's intended job? If a stand is sufficiently heavy and rigid enough to not transmit vibrations, then why would you also need a pad of some kind? Conversely, if the isolation pad is sufficiently decoupling the monitor from the stand, then the monitor stand is more or less removed from the equation, yes? Now if neither the stand or the pad are completely up to the task, I guess I can see how the combination of the two might combine together to get you all the way there. I'm just curious about why I see so many people using both. I think it's a case of "more must be better". Marketing, of course, tells us that it'll never perform optimally without their widget, and those looking to jump to the head of the line will pay for it. Speaker spikes are supposed to narrow the frequencies that couple, heavy stands are supposed to reduce low frequency coupling, and padding reduces the high frequency coupling.. Supposedly.
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Post by drbill on Jan 21, 2019 14:18:00 GMT -6
If a stand is sufficiently heavy and rigid enough to not transmit vibrations, . Not to get too far off topic, but is that even possible? Not in my experience with mobile stands. even a concrete stand is going to transmit some vibrations.
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Post by winetree on Jan 21, 2019 16:12:32 GMT -6
These don't transmit to the ground. Wide sound field with height and depth, very little sound variation when you move around the room.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 21, 2019 17:06:17 GMT -6
nick8801 Thank you that is kind of you to offer. H 93 inches, W102 inches, L 232 inches Front:
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 21, 2019 17:09:43 GMT -6
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