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Sonarworks
Apr 28, 2019 18:44:48 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 28, 2019 18:44:48 GMT -6
Well, I shouldn’t say embarrassed so much as they were missed opportunities.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2019 19:17:48 GMT -6
BTW, iZotopes "Tonal Balance" plugin fascinates me. Very clear concept. I wonder if it would be worth upgrading Ozone or Neutron (I guess it is also part of Neutron) alone? Not, that it is more than a visual "sweet spot channel" but the idea you can make your own profiles out of a number of music files is very cool and I bet it works great ...
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Post by stormymondays on Apr 29, 2019 0:13:00 GMT -6
The next step is to ingrain into your brain “turn Sonarworks off for bouncing” 😄
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Post by ragan on Apr 29, 2019 0:45:35 GMT -6
I'm pretty curious about this. There isn't a demo is there?
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 29, 2019 1:54:38 GMT -6
There is a demo but that doesn’t include mike.
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 29, 2019 6:32:28 GMT -6
I'm pretty curious about this. There isn't a demo is there? Yeah I’m still on the demo.
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Post by swurveman on Apr 29, 2019 6:58:29 GMT -6
There is a demo but that doesn’t include mike. I've got an ECM 8000. With the calibration file, should I be good to go to demo it? I have ARC, but never got on with it and am curious to check out Sonarworks.
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 29, 2019 7:11:44 GMT -6
yes, you will have the opportunity in the set up process to load your calibration file.
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Post by swurveman on Apr 29, 2019 9:23:26 GMT -6
yes, you will have the opportunity in the set up process to load your calibration file. I don't have a calibration file. Or, I don't recall having one. I was gonna use the one you posted. Is that OK, or should I have one specific to my mic?
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 29, 2019 9:36:07 GMT -6
you can use the one I posted as I understand it is a generic file for that mike.
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Post by swurveman on Apr 29, 2019 9:48:00 GMT -6
Cool.
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 29, 2019 13:15:51 GMT -6
The next step is to ingrain into your brain “turn Sonarworks off for bouncing” 😄 SW 4 gives you a popup if you try and burn down with SW on...
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Sonarworks
Apr 29, 2019 13:19:38 GMT -6
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Post by stormymondays on Apr 29, 2019 13:19:38 GMT -6
The next step is to ingrain into your brain “turn Sonarworks off for bouncing” 😄 SW 4 gives you a popup if you try and burn down with SW on... Oh yeah, I forgot. Not in Logic though (thanks, Apple!)
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 29, 2019 15:52:24 GMT -6
Wow. I’m actually extremely thrilled with how the mixes for an ep I’m doing is turning out. I’ve been chasing my tail for so long and thinking really great results were just out of reach...like I just couldn’t figure it out. Things always sounded good, but lacked the punch you hear with great records. Well, damn if I’m not getting fantastic punch right now using it in conjunction with Tonal Balance has really let me narrow in on a really solid sound.
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Post by moze on Apr 30, 2019 3:49:35 GMT -6
Wow. I’m actually extremely thrilled with how the mixes for an ep I’m doing is turning out. I’ve been chasing my tail for so long and thinking really great results were just out of reach...like I just couldn’t figure it out. Things always sounded good, but lacked the punch you hear with great records. Well, damn if I’m not getting fantastic punch right now using it in conjunction with Tonal Balance has really let me narrow in on a really solid sound. Great combo. I am also loving Tonal Balance/Ozone with Sonaworks at home and with Trinnov at work.
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 30, 2019 7:08:08 GMT -6
Wow. I’m actually extremely thrilled with how the mixes for an ep I’m doing is turning out. I’ve been chasing my tail for so long and thinking really great results were just out of reach...like I just couldn’t figure it out. Things always sounded good, but lacked the punch you hear with great records. Well, damn if I’m not getting fantastic punch right now using it in conjunction with Tonal Balance has really let me narrow in on a really solid sound. Great combo. I am also loving Tonal Balance/Ozone with Sonaworks at home and with Trinnov at work. I know it’s different rooms, but what if anything do you notice different? I would imagine you don’t have the headroom issues with the Trinnov? I guess I see the Trinnov as a much more advanced SW?
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Post by moze on Apr 30, 2019 16:45:37 GMT -6
Great combo. I am also loving Tonal Balance/Ozone with Sonaworks at home and with Trinnov at work. I know it’s different rooms, but what if anything do you notice different? I would imagine you don’t have the headroom issues with the Trinnov? I guess I see the Trinnov as a much more advanced SW? Trinnov is very much like a more advanced Sonarworks. It can store multiple speaker profiles that run at the same time and once it's in the chain it just kind of disappears. It also seems a bit more transparent overall. I do find on both system I tilt the high end down a bit... especially on the work system. Those are big PMC's and always sound too bright for my ear.
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Post by Blackdawg on Apr 30, 2019 17:03:07 GMT -6
SW 4 gives you a popup if you try and burn down with SW on... Oh yeah, I forgot. Not in Logic though (thanks, Apple!) You should be able to mitigate this easily. Not a logic user but I setup a matrix sort of in my PT session, however, I don't "bounce" tracks, I print them. Basically you have to route everything differently The easiest way is to do this. Add 2 Aux tracks and 1 Audio track, all stereo. Aux 1 - Sub Master Audio - Print(I name this usually the title of the track or a generic name of the project) Aux 2 - Monitor Route ALL your audio tracks to the Sub master. Route the Sub Master to the Print track Route the Print track to the Monitor track and should have the outputs to your monitors ect. from this track ONLY. I do this as you can now put your plugins/hardware inserts of choice on the Sub Master. Which then WILL get printed to the audio track. You simply record the Print track when your done with the song/track. You have to have input monitoring enabled to hear anything(or record enable) By monitoring through the monitor plugin you can mute it or add your Sonar works plugin or whatever and it won't affect the print. I do this a bit more complex to print 5.1 and stereo at the same time which allows me to go back and forth between the two to check things during the print process but I don't screw up the printing. Once the track is printed, I export the clip as file and Im done. Rename it appropriately and place it appropriately too. I imagine you can do this with any DAW as its just internal bus routing. Not too tricky.
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Post by stormymondays on May 1, 2019 1:47:51 GMT -6
Thanks for the detailed workflow! Yes, I should really get into printing instead of bouncing. I need to try that!
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Post by indiehouse on May 1, 2019 4:39:24 GMT -6
Oh yeah, I forgot. Not in Logic though (thanks, Apple!) You should be able to mitigate this easily. Not a logic user but I setup a matrix sort of in my PT session, however, I don't "bounce" tracks, I print them. Basically you have to route everything differently The easiest way is to do this. Add 2 Aux tracks and 1 Audio track, all stereo. Aux 1 - Sub Master Audio - Print(I name this usually the title of the track or a generic name of the project) Aux 2 - Monitor Route ALL your audio tracks to the Sub master. Route the Sub Master to the Print track Route the Print track to the Monitor track and should have the outputs to your monitors ect. from this track ONLY. I do this as you can now put your plugins/hardware inserts of choice on the Sub Master. Which then WILL get printed to the audio track. You simply record the Print track when your done with the song/track. You have to have input monitoring enabled to hear anything(or record enable) By monitoring through the monitor plugin you can mute it or add your Sonar works plugin or whatever and it won't affect the print. I do this a bit more complex to print 5.1 and stereo at the same time which allows me to go back and forth between the two to check things during the print process but I don't screw up the printing. Once the track is printed, I export the clip as file and Im done. Rename it appropriately and place it appropriately too. I imagine you can do this with any DAW as its just internal bus routing. Not too tricky. This is my workflow as well.
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Post by jeremygillespie on May 1, 2019 9:16:33 GMT -6
Oh yeah, I forgot. Not in Logic though (thanks, Apple!) You should be able to mitigate this easily. Not a logic user but I setup a matrix sort of in my PT session, however, I don't "bounce" tracks, I print them. Basically you have to route everything differently The easiest way is to do this. Add 2 Aux tracks and 1 Audio track, all stereo. Aux 1 - Sub Master Audio - Print(I name this usually the title of the track or a generic name of the project) Aux 2 - Monitor Route ALL your audio tracks to the Sub master. Route the Sub Master to the Print track Route the Print track to the Monitor track and should have the outputs to your monitors ect. from this track ONLY. I do this as you can now put your plugins/hardware inserts of choice on the Sub Master. Which then WILL get printed to the audio track. You simply record the Print track when your done with the song/track. You have to have input monitoring enabled to hear anything(or record enable) By monitoring through the monitor plugin you can mute it or add your Sonar works plugin or whatever and it won't affect the print. I do this a bit more complex to print 5.1 and stereo at the same time which allows me to go back and forth between the two to check things during the print process but I don't screw up the printing. Once the track is printed, I export the clip as file and Im done. Rename it appropriately and place it appropriately too. I imagine you can do this with any DAW as its just internal bus routing. Not too tricky. Why not just monitor off your print track? There really isn’t any reason to add the second aux is there? I do the same as you, except I use a Master track to rout everything into when I’m ITB or while I’m tracking. When I’m mixing, instrument bus outputs go to my external summing / outboard, then into my bus comp/eq, then back into an Aux channel that I label “Through”. That aux gets any additional plugs or fake mastering for a client to hear, then gets bussed to an Audio track as my print.
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Post by Blackdawg on May 1, 2019 9:40:52 GMT -6
You should be able to mitigate this easily. Not a logic user but I setup a matrix sort of in my PT session, however, I don't "bounce" tracks, I print them. Basically you have to route everything differently The easiest way is to do this. Add 2 Aux tracks and 1 Audio track, all stereo. Aux 1 - Sub Master Audio - Print(I name this usually the title of the track or a generic name of the project) Aux 2 - Monitor Route ALL your audio tracks to the Sub master. Route the Sub Master to the Print track Route the Print track to the Monitor track and should have the outputs to your monitors ect. from this track ONLY. I do this as you can now put your plugins/hardware inserts of choice on the Sub Master. Which then WILL get printed to the audio track. You simply record the Print track when your done with the song/track. You have to have input monitoring enabled to hear anything(or record enable) By monitoring through the monitor plugin you can mute it or add your Sonar works plugin or whatever and it won't affect the print. I do this a bit more complex to print 5.1 and stereo at the same time which allows me to go back and forth between the two to check things during the print process but I don't screw up the printing. Once the track is printed, I export the clip as file and Im done. Rename it appropriately and place it appropriately too. I imagine you can do this with any DAW as its just internal bus routing. Not too tricky. Why not just monitor off your print track? There really isn’t any reason to add the second aux is there? I do the same as you, except I use a Master track to rout everything into when I’m ITB or while I’m tracking. When I’m mixing, instrument bus outputs go to my external summing / outboard, then into my bus comp/eq, then back into an Aux channel that I label “Through”. That aux gets any additional plugs or fake mastering for a client to hear, then gets bussed to an Audio track as my print. Like I said before, I do this usually simultaneously with a 5.1 mix too. So with two seperated monitor tracks I can solo, mute, whatever during printing and it won't affect my print. For just a stereo session, I wouldn't likely use a dedicated monitor track UNLESS i was using Sonarworks which is why I was mentioning it so you don't print the corrections either. I don't use Sonar(yet) but likely will later down the road. But certainly not always needed. Thousand ways to skin the cat
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Post by mcirish on May 2, 2019 12:47:39 GMT -6
Wow. I’m actually extremely thrilled with how the mixes for an ep I’m doing is turning out. I’ve been chasing my tail for so long and thinking really great results were just out of reach...like I just couldn’t figure it out. Things always sounded good, but lacked the punch you hear with great records. Well, damn if I’m not getting fantastic punch right now using it in conjunction with Tonal Balance has really let me narrow in on a really solid sound. John, you are making it hard for me to resist. With the last album project finished from mastering and out for manufacturing, I have a little free time and I'd love to make things a little easier on me. I know my room is not perfect and has some odd peaks and valleys depending on where you are in the room. it's a well treated room, but if I could get a little better picture of what's really going on, I might be able to mix faster. The last album mix took a couple weeks and I was (and still am) plagued with self-doubt. A good mastering engineer can make the best of it but I still have this desire to one day send something for mastering and have hime say it's already perfect. big dream. Maybe Sonarworks can help get me a little closer. I'm one the edge of pulling the trigger on this purchase today... ugh... a few minutes later I pressed the Purchase Now Button... Needless to say, I have some 'spainin' to do when I get home....
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Post by kcatthedog on May 2, 2019 14:07:44 GMT -6
If you ears are less tired from working so audio hard, won't you have more ability to listen so much more atentively to that special someone in your life : Baby it was all about you:honest !
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Post by mcirish on May 2, 2019 14:48:38 GMT -6
If you ears are less tired from working so audio hard, won't you have more ability to listen so much more atentively to that special someone in your life : Baby it was all about you:honest ! If that doesn't work, I will set her up with an account here and you can all explain it to her. .. good luck!
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