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Post by Blackdawg on Nov 28, 2018 9:27:26 GMT -6
Sadly now, Hackintosh might be a limited lifespan, as Apple announced this year they are moving away from using Intel processors and x86, building their own ARM processors. The change is not until 2020, but bye bye Hackintosh once they start controlling more of what software will/won't run without the approved hardware. I'm guessing the rollout will be gradual, but it'll be interesting how things will be affected. Didn't know that. Developing their own processors huh? Wow. That is a major thing.
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Post by Ward on Nov 28, 2018 10:02:13 GMT -6
Sadly now, Hackintosh might be a limited lifespan, as Apple announced this year they are moving away from using Intel processors and x86, building their own ARM processors. The change is not until 2020, but bye bye Hackintosh once they start controlling more of what software will/won't run without the approved hardware. I'm guessing the rollout will be gradual, but it'll be interesting how things will be affected. Didn't know that. Developing their own processors huh? Wow. That is a major thing. They tried that before, and it didn't really go all that well . . . then Steve Jobs came back and fixed things. There's no Steve Jobs coming back this time. Such an amazing platform, and the architecture was second to none... WTH is Tim doing? Heeding bad advice? I'll never understand why Jonathan Ives wasn't automatically moved to CEO. He was the heart and soul of the company, after Jobs.
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Post by Blackdawg on Nov 28, 2018 10:06:54 GMT -6
Didn't know that. Developing their own processors huh? Wow. That is a major thing. They tried that before, and it didn't really go all that well . . . then Steve Jobs came back and fixed things. There's no Steve Jobs coming back this time. Such an amazing platform, and the architecture was second to none... WTH is Tim doing? Heeding bad advice? I'll never understand why Jonathan Ives wasn't automatically moved to CEO. He was the heart and soul of the company, after Jobs. Its a lot to take on considering Intel and AMD have been in it for years and are very good at it. I can see the appeal in terms of making something optimized to their own code and such. But its bad for users as it just locks us out even more...typical apple. Apple's been on the down hill for a while now. Which sucks. They have gotten way to greed with price vs the performance too.
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Post by indiehouse on Nov 28, 2018 10:20:47 GMT -6
Isn’t Apple making their own processor for the iPhone that’s faster than the current Snapdragon that other makers are using?
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Post by sirthought on Nov 28, 2018 10:44:26 GMT -6
Yes...this new chip will just be an extension of their development of chips for mobile, which has been very successful to say the least.
I think they are really trying to see how far they can marry the mobile and desktop computing experience. Not so sure how that helps creating professionals in the long run, but it's hard to criticize it before it actually happens.
Their old chips were actually made by Motorola and they worked really well within the desktop environment. The main reason to switch to Intel was because they couldn't reduce the heat in order to make better laptops. Since MBPs are still getting super hot, I don't know that they've really found the solution they were hoping for.
Thus, the explanation for changing again. I think Tim's move is going to save them a lot of money in the long run and they will likely have a chip that works as well as the Intel does.
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Post by Ward on Nov 28, 2018 10:46:06 GMT -6
I think Tim's move is going to save them a lot of money in the long run and they will likely have a chip that works as well as the Intel does. Maybe, but I don't look to bean-counters as being the shining light of progress in the world of tech. Might just be me.
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Post by sirthought on Nov 28, 2018 10:49:47 GMT -6
Consider the power on today's iPad vs the first one. They've really advanced the chip internally and made it very powerful.
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Post by ericn on Nov 28, 2018 11:56:35 GMT -6
Didn't know that. Developing their own processors huh? Wow. That is a major thing. They tried that before, and it didn't really go all that well . . . then Steve Jobs came back and fixed things. There's no Steve Jobs coming back this time. Such an amazing platform, and the architecture was second to none... WTH is Tim doing? Heeding bad advice? I'll never understand why Jonathan Ives wasn't automatically moved to CEO. He was the heart and soul of the company, after Jobs. Apple didn’t try to build their own CPU, they used Motorola, it was simple economics to switch to Intel. What’s going to suck with the switch to their own chip means no more boot camp dual boot.
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Post by Blackdawg on Nov 28, 2018 12:08:58 GMT -6
Im also not super onboard with the whole mobile/desktop merger thing. It opens doors for sure to lots of things but I just want a damn desktop to run like a desktop. I hate that they are becoming more like mobile devices. Chromebooks for instance.
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Post by popmann on Nov 29, 2018 19:59:33 GMT -6
Guys at VI control say put the hexcore i7 mini in the machine room. “Not as noisy as the 2017 imac....noisier than the iMac Pro”.
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 29, 2018 21:46:47 GMT -6
Didn't know that. Developing their own processors huh? Wow. That is a major thing. They tried that before, and it didn't really go all that well . . . then Steve Jobs came back and fixed things. There's no Steve Jobs coming back this time. Such an amazing platform, and the architecture was second to none... WTH is Tim doing? Heeding bad advice? I'll never understand why Jonathan Ives wasn't automatically moved to CEO. He was the heart and soul of the company, after Jobs. I’ve had an Apple TV 4 just stop working and now a new iPad Pro is refusing to turn on occasionally. Wondering if quality is going down.
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Post by christopher on Nov 29, 2018 22:46:28 GMT -6
They tried that before, and it didn't really go all that well . . . then Steve Jobs came back and fixed things. There's no Steve Jobs coming back this time. Such an amazing platform, and the architecture was second to none... WTH is Tim doing? Heeding bad advice? I'll never understand why Jonathan Ives wasn't automatically moved to CEO. He was the heart and soul of the company, after Jobs. Apple didn’t try to build their own CPU, they used Motorola, it was simple economics to switch to Intel. What’s going to suck with the switch to their own chip means no more boot camp dual boot. My gut says either they are going to use the upcoming 7nm AMD zen chip and call it ‘Apple’, or use it to bargain a deal with Intel. Jim Keller who designed Zen used to work for Apple and designed the iPhone4 chip during Steve Jobs reign. I think honestly Apple was sick of being Intel’s wallet, Intel knew they can MSRP whatever they wanted and Apple would have to pay. Well Apple stopped upgrading. Now Intel lost their CEO, they even hired Jim Keller this year to design chips for them lol. (it takes 3-5 years for chip designs to hit the market) . Anyway, AMD does make chips for others, and they are good.. they’ve made PlayStation and Xbox all these years. They also make GPUs for the high end macs. And they can run all the windows programs, it’s an Intel X86 chip by a different vendor.. But I’m with you if Apple really go their own way and make their own chips from scratch?... yikes!!!
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Post by ericn on Nov 29, 2018 23:05:28 GMT -6
Apple didn’t try to build their own CPU, they used Motorola, it was simple economics to switch to Intel. What’s going to suck with the switch to their own chip means no more boot camp dual boot. My gut says either they are going to use the upcoming 7nm AMD zen chip and call it ‘Apple’, or use it to bargain a deal with Intel. Jim Keller who designed Zen used to work for Apple and designed the iPhone4 chip during Steve Jobs reign. I think honestly Apple was sick of being Intel’s wallet, Intel knew they can MSRP whatever they wanted and Apple would have to pay. Well Apple stopped upgrading. Now Intel lost their CEO, they even hired Jim Keller this year to design chips for them lol. (it takes 3-5 years for chip designs to hit the market) . Anyway, AMD does make chips for others, and they are good.. they’ve made PlayStation and Xbox all these years. They also make GPUs for the high end macs. And they can run all the windows programs, it’s an Intel X86 chip by a different vendor.. But I’m with you if Apple really go their own way and make their own chips from scratch?... yikes!!! The rumors are that it’s something the company they bought for the IPhone/ IPad CPU had under development before apple bought them and the long range plan is to have something that is basically a more powerful version of the tablet chip so they can actually do what Microsoft tried to do with a single cross platform OS. Apple has enough cash to develop their own CPU. Of course these rumors come from a guy who is pretty sure if a major wireless merger goes through he will be unemployed.
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Post by christopher on Dec 1, 2018 19:47:31 GMT -6
Apple has enough cash to develop their own CPU I looked up how much cash they have. Earlier this year they had over 250billion, just in cash. It’s impossible for me to comprehend, so I wondered how many Fairchilds that is. At $50,000 a piece I calculated they could buy 5 million Fairchilds. Just with the cash pile they have. That’s still too much for me to comprehend. I did some more quick calculations. That’s enough to give Fairchild’s to every person in a sold out stadium, 100 times over! If they lined 5m Fairchild’s up side by side the line would stretch way over a thousand miles, which is long enough to go from Mexico to Canada on the west coast. Nothing but Fairchilds the whole way! I then wondered what is that in terms of Flea 47s? a: They have enough cash to give a Flea 47 to every single person who attended an MLB game last year. Every person at every game of every team! Brand new Flea 47! I then wondered how many $1 million studios they could start with that cash... Came out to 4 studios for every single city and town and municipality in the US. It’s just unfathomable. (I keep thinking the calculations can’t be right, so if someone proves them wrong, that would be awesome!)
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Post by indiehouse on Dec 1, 2018 20:46:50 GMT -6
Apple has enough cash to develop their own CPU I looked up how much cash they have. Earlier this year they had over 250billion, just in cash. It’s impossible for me to comprehend, so I wondered how many Fairchilds that is. At $50,000 a piece I calculated they could buy 5 million Fairchilds. Just with the cash pile they have. That’s still too much for me to comprehend. I did some more quick calculations. That’s enough to give Fairchild’s to every person in a sold out stadium, 100 times over! If they lined 5m Fairchild’s up side by side the line would stretch way over a thousand miles, which is long enough to go from Mexico to Canada on the west coast. Nothing but Fairchilds the whole way! I then wondered what is that in terms of Flea 47s? a: They have enough cash to give a Flea 47 to every single person who attended an MLB game last year. Every person at every game of every team! Brand new Flea 47! I then wondered how many $1 million studios they could start with that cash... Came out to 4 studios for every single city and town and municipality in the US. It’s just unfathomable. (I keep thinking the calculations can’t be right, so if someone proves them wrong, that would be awesome!) Free time. Jealous.
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Post by jdc on Dec 2, 2018 4:08:07 GMT -6
How many years do you think a maxed out Mac mini would be able to run full band sessions? 10 years? 5 years?
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 2, 2018 4:53:13 GMT -6
I would think 5 for sure,if something became heat damaged technically the main board could be replaced.
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Post by keymod on Dec 2, 2018 5:56:00 GMT -6
These new models make the remaining older stock seem attractive. B&H Photo have some older ones listed for as little as $499.00, although obviously the specs are nowhere near the new ones. I have an older model dedicated to using with Symphony Ivory and it works a treat. Am thinking of getting a second to dedicate with SD3.
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 2, 2018 5:58:58 GMT -6
The older ones can be more easily modded using parts for Mac Sales OWC ? If the older mini has a quad core i7 it could still be rocking ! None of the inexpensive ones were i7 quads. A refurb owc looks like this: eshop.macsales.com/configure-my-mac/UAEE3H66XX2XXXC, under a grand i7 quad, with upgrades, but A new one isn't that much more ?
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Post by popmann on Dec 2, 2018 15:36:24 GMT -6
How many years do you think a maxed out Mac mini would be able to run full band sessions? 10 years? 5 years? The same number of years a 2012 will be. Barring physical component death, obviously. ...or your need to have the latest version of OSX or your DAW, since Apple has linked the two forever. But, my point was that HD audio recording/mixing has been fairly stagnant-where content creation (tuning/stretching audio and MIDI VIs) has seen a lot of development.
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Post by johneppstein on Dec 2, 2018 21:09:02 GMT -6
Yeah my maxed mid-2011 iMac is actually still going strong for the most part. I just need to get off this current project at 88.2 and bump down to 48. I know I'm totally jinxing myself...but the fact that we are still using computers made 7 years ago is amazing. That's a damn good value. Oh, yes! It's amazing that SEVEN YEAR OLD HARDWARE is still working.
Geez, some of the procesing in my studio is going on 50 years old.
"Did you ever get the feeling you've been cheated?" -Johnny Rotten
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Post by johneppstein on Dec 2, 2018 21:19:48 GMT -6
Sadly now, Hackintosh might be a limited lifespan, as Apple announced this year they are moving away from using Intel processors and x86, building their own ARM processors. The change is not until 2020, but bye bye Hackintosh once they start controlling more of what software will/won't run without the approved hardware. I'm guessing the rollout will be gradual, but it'll be interesting how things will be affected. Death of Apple.
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Post by johneppstein on Dec 2, 2018 21:22:45 GMT -6
Yes...this new chip will just be an extension of their development of chips for mobile, which has been very successful to say the least. I think they are really trying to see how far they can marry the mobile and desktop computing experience. Not so sure how that helps creating professionals in the long run, but it's hard to criticize it before it actually happens. Their old chips were actually made by Motorola and they worked really well within the desktop environment. The main reason to switch to Intel was because they couldn't reduce the heat in order to make better laptops. Since MBPs are still getting super hot, I don't know that they've really found the solution they were hoping for. Thus, the explanation for changing again. I think Tim's move is going to save them a lot of money in the long run and they will likely have a chip that works as well as the Intel does. There is no "solution" (except liquid cooling.) Physics is physics.
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Post by johneppstein on Dec 2, 2018 21:24:24 GMT -6
Im also not super onboard with the whole mobile/desktop merger thing. It opens doors for sure to lots of things but I just want a damn desktop to run like a desktop. I hate that they are becoming more like mobile devices. Chromebooks for instance. I HATE it. Apple or Win 10, I HATE it.
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Post by Blackdawg on Dec 2, 2018 21:27:18 GMT -6
Yes...this new chip will just be an extension of their development of chips for mobile, which has been very successful to say the least. I think they are really trying to see how far they can marry the mobile and desktop computing experience. Not so sure how that helps creating professionals in the long run, but it's hard to criticize it before it actually happens. Their old chips were actually made by Motorola and they worked really well within the desktop environment. The main reason to switch to Intel was because they couldn't reduce the heat in order to make better laptops. Since MBPs are still getting super hot, I don't know that they've really found the solution they were hoping for. Thus, the explanation for changing again. I think Tim's move is going to save them a lot of money in the long run and they will likely have a chip that works as well as the Intel does. There is no "solution" (except liquid cooling.) Physics is physics. Disagree. Efficiency is the answer. Plus most liquid cooling in a custom built pc is louder now than a good air cooler and they are bigger and more of a pita. Can hit 5ghz overclocked on air these days easily with no temp issues. Why? Chips are more efficient... And while yes you have some 50 year old stuff, which is cool, no computer from 30 years ago is still doing professional work haha
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