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Post by popmann on Dec 7, 2018 16:53:22 GMT -6
I just want to be clear....the internal SATA query is for virtual instruments, not audio storage. Unlike audio streaming, the DAW can't pre buffer them--they need to respond when you press the key. I mean, the engines DO pre buffer them into RAM....but....the people using externals are the people bitching about MacBooks being "limited" to 16gb....where composers are using 128gb machines to BUFFER for orchestral work....
...and it's not a query for ME....I already bought a new machine before these was available. But, had this BEEN available--it would've been really attractive, as the same CPU, ram, 256PCIe is $1499....add a $150 SATA SSD for the samples....that's a hell of a home studio singer/songwriter station for the $$. Mine will be running long after these are in a scrap heap (probably)....as non proprietary parts can always be bought....but, I like Apples. An Apple is the only computer I can run the Logic Drummer (in LPX)....move to Mixbus32c for all audio recording/mixing....and use Cubase for string orchestration. Mine can only do the last two--and I just run the Logic Drummer on the laptop.
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Post by ragan on Dec 7, 2018 23:27:41 GMT -6
I'm looking hard at one of these. I'm gonna keep driving my trusty iMac till it quits but I'd love more horsepower and portability. This Mini ticks a lot of boxes for me.
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Post by Blackdawg on Dec 7, 2018 23:33:51 GMT -6
Except protools compatibility..
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Post by ragan on Dec 8, 2018 0:38:36 GMT -6
Except protools compatibility.. Are you saying this machine has inherent DAW compatibility/incompatibility??
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Post by Blackdawg on Dec 8, 2018 11:03:55 GMT -6
Except protools compatibility.. Are you saying this machine has inherent DAW compatibility/incompatibility?? No no. It only comes with OSX10.14 which is not avid approved yet.
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Post by clumsycongregation on Dec 8, 2018 14:11:59 GMT -6
Are you saying this machine has inherent DAW compatibility/incompatibility?? No no. It only comes with OSX10.14 which is not avid approved yet. This is true, but fwiw Im using Pro Tools 2018.10 with Mojave 10.14.2 and It's working fine.
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Post by Blackdawg on Dec 8, 2018 15:36:13 GMT -6
No no. It only comes with OSX10.14 which is not avid approved yet. This is true, but fwiw Im using Pro Tools 2018.10 with Mojave 10.14.2 and It's working fine. Good to know!
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Post by mulmany on Dec 9, 2018 17:43:34 GMT -6
My wife just told me she was going to buy me one for Christmas! To bad Avid doesn't have the bugs worked out yet!
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Post by the other mark williams on Dec 9, 2018 21:26:34 GMT -6
They look like nice machines! Just wish there were easier ways to upgrade the graphics performance.
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Post by Blackdawg on Dec 9, 2018 21:57:01 GMT -6
They look like nice machines! Just wish there were easier ways to upgrade the graphics performance. There is. Just run an external thunderbolt you chassis. Or get a bigger expansion for hard drives too and hdx
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Post by mulmany on Dec 9, 2018 22:28:14 GMT -6
Take a look at the geekbench results, quite impressive. Unfortunately no one has come up with a universal daw test.
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Post by the other mark williams on Dec 9, 2018 22:53:35 GMT -6
They look like nice machines! Just wish there were easier ways to upgrade the graphics performance. There is. Just run an external thunderbolt you chassis. Or get a bigger expansion for hard drives too and hdx I'm certainly aware you can run eGPUs with Thunderbolt 3 Macs, but it creates a few other complications: a second box, larger than the Mac Mini itself, for one thing. With its own fans. And it's just a bit kludgy, IMO. Hence why I said I wish there were "easier" ways to upgrade the graphics performance. I am somewhat afraid this may be the overall thought process of Apple regarding "modular" Mac Pros in 2019.
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Post by Blackdawg on Dec 10, 2018 0:02:26 GMT -6
There is. Just run an external thunderbolt you chassis. Or get a bigger expansion for hard drives too and hdx I'm certainly aware you can run eGPUs with Thunderbolt 3 Macs, but it creates a few other complications: a second box, larger than the Mac Mini itself, for one thing. With its own fans. And it's just a bit kludgy, IMO. Hence why I said I wish there were "easier" ways to upgrade the graphics performance. I am somewhat afraid this may be the overall thought process of Apple regarding "modular" Mac Pros in 2019. Hopefully not. They already caught a lot of flac for having to wire up everything externally. If they at least don't allow internal expandable storage then they aren't going to sell a lot. Expandable gpu power as well I think that is also internal. Means a bigger case though.. That said for what we do an external gpu isn't really needed. And if it is for video mixing than you don't need a crazy big one that will make loud fan noise.
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Post by the other mark williams on Dec 10, 2018 0:11:16 GMT -6
I'm certainly aware you can run eGPUs with Thunderbolt 3 Macs, but it creates a few other complications: a second box, larger than the Mac Mini itself, for one thing. With its own fans. And it's just a bit kludgy, IMO. Hence why I said I wish there were "easier" ways to upgrade the graphics performance. I am somewhat afraid this may be the overall thought process of Apple regarding "modular" Mac Pros in 2019. Hopefully not. They already caught a lot of flac for having to wire up everything externally. If they at least don't allow internal expandable storage then they aren't going to sell a lot. Expandable gpu power as well I think that is also internal. Means a bigger case though.. That said for what we do an external gpu isn't really needed. And if it is for video mixing than you don't need a crazy big one that will make loud fan noise. I think (and hope) you're right re: what Apple will do with the new Mac Pros. In regard to external GPUs, I would likely end up needing one with the Mini, as I am beginning to do some film editing work. Not just audio-for-picture, but the actual visual editing. But totally agreed that an external GPU is not needed for audio.
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Post by Ward on Dec 10, 2018 9:53:22 GMT -6
Im also not super onboard with the whole mobile/desktop merger thing. It opens doors for sure to lots of things but I just want a damn desktop to run like a desktop. I hate that they are becoming more like mobile devices. Chromebooks for instance. I HATE it. Apple or Win 10, I HATE it.
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Post by ericn on Dec 10, 2018 9:59:10 GMT -6
Hopefully not. They already caught a lot of flac for having to wire up everything externally. If they at least don't allow internal expandable storage then they aren't going to sell a lot. Expandable gpu power as well I think that is also internal. Means a bigger case though.. That said for what we do an external gpu isn't really needed. And if it is for video mixing than you don't need a crazy big one that will make loud fan noise. I think (and hope) you're right re: what Apple will do with the new Mac Pros. In regard to external GPUs, I would likely end up needing one with the Mini, as I am beginning to do some film editing work. Not just audio-for-picture, but the actual visual editing. But totally agreed that an external GPU is not needed for audio. I do wonder if it would be easier to use one of the Sonnet Chassis and a PCIE card?
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Post by Blackdawg on Dec 10, 2018 10:02:26 GMT -6
I think (and hope) you're right re: what Apple will do with the new Mac Pros. In regard to external GPUs, I would likely end up needing one with the Mini, as I am beginning to do some film editing work. Not just audio-for-picture, but the actual visual editing. But totally agreed that an external GPU is not needed for audio. I do wonder if it would be easier to use one of the Sonnet Chassis and a PCIE card? Im using a rack mounted Sonnet chassis with 8 SSDs and 3 PCIE cards for the Mac pro at the studio. Works good. Surely there are mac mini options..
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Post by ericn on Dec 10, 2018 10:06:07 GMT -6
Except protools compatibility.. Are you saying this machine has inherent DAW compatibility/incompatibility?? No this goes to Apples bit the hand that feeds you buisness model, ever since the 9600 they have not Supplied Avid with machines early enough to qualify them or write an update in time for public release of new machines. When Avid has rushed the process they have almost always gotten burned. No one at either has realized if they actually co operated they could rule the world!
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Post by johneppstein on Dec 10, 2018 12:42:05 GMT -6
I HATE it. Apple or Win 10, I HATE it. Old man is on Win 7 and will stay there unmtil Microsoft brings back an option to revert the User Interface to something that does not resemble a cell phone. FWIW, I have internet more or less disabled on my phone. What really annoys me is that I bought a laptop for traveling and it's Win 10 only - I can't use it. It's too annoying.
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Post by johneppstein on Dec 10, 2018 12:43:55 GMT -6
Are you saying this machine has inherent DAW compatibility/incompatibility?? No this goes to Apples bit the hand that feeds you buisness model, ever since the 9600 they have not Supplied Avid with machines early enough to qualify them or write an update in time for public release of new machines. When Avid has rushed the process they have almost always gotten burned. No one at either has realized if they actually co operated they could rule the world! Probably good that they haven't then...
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Post by the other mark williams on Dec 10, 2018 13:47:50 GMT -6
I do wonder if it would be easier to use one of the Sonnet Chassis and a PCIE card? Im using a rack mounted Sonnet chassis with 8 SSDs and 3 PCIE cards for the Mac pro at the studio. Works good. Surely there are mac mini options.. PM'd
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