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Post by swurveman on Oct 23, 2018 7:22:58 GMT -6
Sorry for another UAD thread, but as I sell my studio gear I'm looking at a songwriting setup.
Over at the purple place the UAD rep made this claim in their product announcement:
For Apollo users here at RGO. Is this claim true? Is there no latency monitoring or printing a new overdubbed track with lots of already recorded tracks in your DAW with tons of plugins on their channels and high buffer levels? I own both Cubase and Pro Tools, but prefer Cubase.
Thanks for your thoughts and experiences.
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Post by bram on Oct 23, 2018 8:25:34 GMT -6
There are two ways to instantiate UAD Plug-ins: 1. In the Apollo Console, 2. Within your DAW.
Both ways use the Apollo’s DSP for processing. The difference is that when you run UAD plugs in the Console mixer, they run at the advertised near-zero latency. You can choose to just monitor the plugins here or print them into the DAW. This would be true for any mic inputs, external instruments, or Hi-Z inputs on the Apollo.
If you run the plugins as inserts in your DAW then you will be subject to the buffer/project induced latency.
So short answer is, yes.
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 23, 2018 8:31:10 GMT -6
You might want to read the current SOS review of apollo X !
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Post by swurveman on Oct 23, 2018 8:40:28 GMT -6
There are two ways to instantiate UAD Plug-ins: 1. In the Apollo Console, 2. Within your DAW. Both ways use the Apollo’s DSP for processing. The difference is that when you run UAD plugs in the Console mixer, they run at the advertised near-zero latency. You can choose to just monitor the plugins here or print them into the DAW. This would be true for any mic inputs, external instruments, or Hi-Z inputs on the Apollo. If you run the plugins as inserts in your DAW then you will be subject to the buffer/project induced latency. So short answer is, yes. Thank you bram. One last question: Do you have to buy plugins for the console if you already own them via your PCIE purchase?
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 23, 2018 8:52:10 GMT -6
I’ve done about ten songs with the Apollo x since I got it and I feel like I’ve really hit an awesome balance of sound quality and workflow. I’m really happy with the whole process. I’m actually tracking with an outboard pre, line-in and using the UAD compressors/EQ on the way in. Maybe I’m not super sensitive to it, but in my mind there is no discernible latency. I LOVE being able to have zero latency for guitar sims - just wish there was a bigger selection. (How about a Matchless collab @uadrew?) I dig the Friedman amps but wish there was a bigger Fender selection. I hear a step up in quality of the guitar sims since the conversion upgrade. Same could be said for the unison pres, though I still favor outboard pres. The DA has been rock solid and excellent translation for me. Moreso than the Symphony MkII that I came from...I’ve said many times I think the SMkii DA is probably more pleasant to listen to, but I’ve found that - for me - the Apollo is more true.
But to get back to your initial question: yes, this is what I love about this workflow. I can have 30 tracks with 8 VIs running at 1024 and then easily pop a guitar sim in console and record with zero latency while not affecting the daw.
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Post by brenta on Oct 23, 2018 9:39:48 GMT -6
Sorry for another UAD thread, but as I sell my studio gear I'm looking at a songwriting setup. Over at the purple place the UAD rep made this claim in their product announcement: For Apollo users here at RGO. Is this claim true? Is there no latency monitoring or printing a new overdubbed track with lots of already recorded tracks in your DAW with tons of plugins on their channels and high buffer levels? I own both Cubase and Pro Tools, but prefer Cubase. Thanks for your thoughts and experiences. I'm not 100% certain that it's the only way to do it, but the rest of the claim is definitely true. With UA Console I always have my buffer set at the max. The only reason I can think of not to have it set to the max is if you're recording a VI in your daw. It's pretty nice to be able to start mixing a project then come back later and record overdubs without having to disable most or all of the plugins in your DAW. The haters will tell you that what you really need to do is buy a $5k computer and a Slate or RME interface and you can get similar latency at low buffers and it will be mostly stable.
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Post by bram on Oct 23, 2018 9:40:53 GMT -6
Thank you bram. One last question: Do you have to buy plugins for the console if you already own them via your PCIE purchase? I haven't owned a UAD PCIE device, but would imagine any plugins you have purchased will all be available for use with any Apollo you register.
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Post by jtc111 on Oct 23, 2018 10:59:34 GMT -6
Thank you bram. One last question: Do you have to buy plugins for the console if you already own them via your PCIE purchase? No. I started with pcie then added an Apollo and eventually phased all the pcie cards out of my system. I still own all the plugins and they work on the Apollo.
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 23, 2018 11:40:45 GMT -6
All ua interfaces and cards come with their respective bundle of plugs in and they are in your account/authorizations, but if you sell the interface, those bundled plug ins go with the device to the new owner.
All plug ins you buy, stay in your account, unless you sell them to someone else.
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Post by swurveman on Oct 23, 2018 13:03:20 GMT -6
Sorry for another UAD thread, but as I sell my studio gear I'm looking at a songwriting setup. Over at the purple place the UAD rep made this claim in their product announcement: For Apollo users here at RGO. Is this claim true? Is there no latency monitoring or printing a new overdubbed track with lots of already recorded tracks in your DAW with tons of plugins on their channels and high buffer levels? I own both Cubase and Pro Tools, but prefer Cubase. Thanks for your thoughts and experiences. I'm not 100% certain that it's the only way to do it, but the rest of the claim is definitely true. With UA Console I always have my buffer set at the max. The only reason I can think of not to have it set to the max is if you're recording a VI in your daw. It's pretty nice to be able to start mixing a project then come back later and record overdubs without having to disable most or all of the plugins in your DAW. The haters will tell you that what you really need to do is buy a $5k computer and a Slate or RME interface and you can get similar latency at low buffers and it will be mostly stable. I'm certainly not a hater of UA- I own their 1176 , LA2A , 2-610 and Quad Plexi PCIE Card- but I bought a $2,000 PC, an Aurora 16 and an RME AES-32 interface and I never had to disable one plugin to overdub with no latency.
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Post by LesC on Oct 23, 2018 13:31:34 GMT -6
I'm not 100% certain that it's the only way to do it, but the rest of the claim is definitely true. With UA Console I always have my buffer set at the max. The only reason I can think of not to have it set to the max is if you're recording a VI in your daw. It's pretty nice to be able to start mixing a project then come back later and record overdubs without having to disable most or all of the plugins in your DAW. The haters will tell you that what you really need to do is buy a $5k computer and a Slate or RME interface and you can get similar latency at low buffers and it will be mostly stable. I'm certainly not a hater of UA- I own their 1176 , LA2A , 2-610 and Quad Plexi PCIE Card- but I bought a $2,000 PC, an Aurora 16 and an RME AES-32 interface and I never had to disable one plugin to overdub with no latency. Similar story here. For almost 20 years I've used RME interfaces with no problem overdubbing with no latency. I have my buffers set high, and I monitor whatever I'm recording with a small rack mixer so there's no latency. I'm currently looking for a new interface. I briefly considered the Apollo X, but I don't want to "upgrade" to a PC with Thunderbolt. I've order a MOTU 828es, though I'm worried about their Win 10 drivers. If that doesn't work out, I'll just get an RME UFX 2. TotalMixFX is amazing, so flexible, so easy to use.
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 23, 2018 14:15:05 GMT -6
The apollo rtf is essentially around. 3-4 ms, using console 1, you can set your buffer as high as you want as it is irrelevant while tracking. People might prefer another workflow or more routing flexibility but that seems more personal preference ?
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Post by LesC on Oct 23, 2018 18:08:36 GMT -6
The apollo rtf is essentially around. 3-4 ms, using console 1, you can set your buffer as high as you want as it is irrelevant while tracking. People might prefer another workflow or more routing flexibility but that seems more personal preference ? Absolutely! But it seems disingenuous for UA to state as fact that "the Apollo workflow is still the only way to overdub into a mix that contains tons of Native and DSP plugins with your DAW at whatever buffer you like." It seems this can be done with other interfaces and in other ways.
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Post by swurveman on Oct 24, 2018 9:18:04 GMT -6
All ua interfaces and cards come with their respective bundle of plugs in and they are in your account/authorizations, but if you sell the interface, those bundled plug ins go with the device to the new owner. All plug ins you buy, stay in your account, unless you sell them to someone else. I have to say this about UAD: I bought the UAD-2 Quad PCIE -which included the bundle- for $1,699.00 . They dropped the price to $699.00. So they'd take away my plugins from the Quad if I bought an Apollo X and sold my Quad? They are working very hard to never get my business again.
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Post by jtc111 on Oct 24, 2018 9:30:56 GMT -6
All ua interfaces and cards come with their respective bundle of plugs in and they are in your account/authorizations, but if you sell the interface, those bundled plug ins go with the device to the new owner. All plug ins you buy, stay in your account, unless you sell them to someone else. I have to say this about UAD: I bought the UAD-2 Quad PCIE -which included the bundle- for $1,699.00 . They dropped the price to $699.00. So they'd take away my plugins from the Quad if I bought an Apollo X and sold my Quad? They are working very hard to never get my business again. Are you talking about a plugin bundle that was included as a special short term incentive or the regular package of plugins to get you started that came with every Quad pcie? Drew @ UA, can you weigh in on this? If one owns two pieces of UAD hardware, and each came with a slightly different set of plugins, do you lose plugins when you sell one piece of the hardware and opt to not sell the plugins?
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 24, 2018 10:27:22 GMT -6
And the irony is as UA has dropped prices that people refer to as high priced others have issues with falling prices.
Those of us who bought in 5 plus years ago, unfortunately paid the higher prices before ua responding to its customers started lowering prices.
Our gear worked just like it was supposed to but prices fell.
You don’t get to substitute plug ins in multiple bundles that come with different gear, you don’t lose bundled plug ins , you would gain any that were bundled with more current hardware.
You cannot keep plug ins that come bundled with gear, they go when you sell your gear. Plugs you buy seoerately from the ua stre you can sell or keep, but always all or none.
If you end up with duplicate plug ins apparently you can move those to a seperate system and associate those with another piece of hardware and sell those or I have read this at UA forum.
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Post by Drew @ UA on Oct 24, 2018 10:43:47 GMT -6
I have to say this about UAD: I bought the UAD-2 Quad PCIE -which included the bundle- for $1,699.00 . They dropped the price to $699.00. So they'd take away my plugins from the Quad if I bought an Apollo X and sold my Quad? They are working very hard to never get my business again. Are you talking about a plugin bundle that was included as a special short term incentive or the regular package of plugins to get you started that came with every Quad pcie? Drew @ UA , can you weigh in on this? If one owns two pieces of UAD hardware, and each came with a slightly different set of plugins, do you lose plugins when you sell one piece of the hardware and opt to not sell the plugins? If you own two pieces, that are in the same system, they have the same authorizations. If you want to sell one without plugins, contact CS and they will make a System 2 for you and place the 2nd unit there. You keep the piece you want with all your auths. If you want to sell the 2nd piece with all your plugs (not sure why you'd do this but) you'd have CS move the one you're keeping into its own system in preparation for sale. Hope this makes sense and helps. Let me know if there are other questions.
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Post by hio on Oct 24, 2018 16:19:23 GMT -6
I’ve done about ten songs with the Apollo x since I got it and I feel like I’ve really hit an awesome balance of sound quality and workflow. I’m really happy with the whole process. I’m actually tracking with an outboard pre, line-in and using the UAD compressors/EQ on the way in. Maybe I’m not super sensitive to it, but in my mind there is no discernible latency. I LOVE being able to have zero latency for guitar sims - just wish there was a bigger selection. (How about a Matchless collab @uadrew?) I dig the Friedman amps but wish there was a bigger Fender selection. I hear a step up in quality of the guitar sims since the conversion upgrade. Same could be said for the unison pres, though I still favor outboard pres. The DA has been rock solid and excellent translation for me. Moreso than the Symphony MkII that I came from...I’ve said many times I think the SMkii DA is probably more pleasant to listen to, but I’ve found that - for me - the Apollo is more true. But to get back to your initial question: yes, this is what I love about this workflow. I can have 30 tracks with 8 VIs running at 1024 and then easily pop a guitar sim in console and record with zero latency while not affecting the daw. John, may I ask what *UA* EQ you might use on your way in and I assume that the Pre you referred to doesn't have EQ? If it is a trademark secret I understand.
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Post by hio on Oct 24, 2018 16:31:21 GMT -6
I deleted this post because it is now where it should be up there in the message before this one ↑↑↑
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Post by hio on Oct 25, 2018 17:40:26 GMT -6
Sorry John Boy, (notice the caps) I didn't mean to single you out, and you really could have been anybody; I was just curious as I am going through hardware preamps and have Unison and love UA's compressors.
EQ however, I am thinking caveat emptor except I already have their plugs and again was just being really curious by asking the question.
I came to this place like this week or something for the sole reason for the exchange of information and a no reply and a no response to a newcomer with his first question is just not being cowboy, and not really smart if you are trying to grow some kind of a business. Is it not in your forum rules somewhere? You do have moderators don't you?
Rhetorical questions and no need to respond, again.
Plonk me, you have real power here and I won't mind a bit.
I love you too!
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 25, 2018 19:12:19 GMT -6
Ah, perhaps you mean your post humerously but it isn’t coming across that way. People leave busy lives and participate here when they choose: there is no obligation to do so, but we try to keep things friendly, constructive and respectful. Some people here use UA plugs some don’t.
EQ’s can be used in a variety of ways, what are you looking for with a ua eq, as they have a lot of different ones, it’s hard to respond to your post ?
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 25, 2018 20:10:06 GMT -6
Wtf is this guy talking about? You didint get a response from me for one day and you’re being a dick about it? I’m about to “plonk” you so you don’t have to worry about it.
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 25, 2018 20:14:13 GMT -6
Apparently, cocaine is a helluva drug, because that post is incoherent. I have zero idea what this guy is mad about.
I use a CAPI VP28 platinum and think I used the gray LA2A. You good? Thanks for helping me grow my business! BTW - how much are you paying to use this forum? I didn’t get any kind of donation from you...
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 25, 2018 20:33:01 GMT -6
perhaps a cultural divide and linguistic barrier ?
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 25, 2018 20:52:36 GMT -6
I had a great time chatting with Jeff Steiger at AES last week. That VP28 Platinum sure looks sweet. I just don’t feel like buying a lunchbox yet. Does it come in a rack mount version?
I really appreciate you impressions on the new Apollo John.
I’d have traded up already if I didn’t have to replace my broken computer this month.
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