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Post by indiehouse on Apr 25, 2018 15:23:05 GMT -6
That true?
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Post by hadaja on Apr 25, 2018 15:30:37 GMT -6
Yep happened a while ago. Lsst year. Purple site had a thread on it.
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Post by winetree on Apr 25, 2018 17:17:25 GMT -6
WOW, I've got
2 - D4 Tube pre (Redd 47 clone )
2 - DA2 Tube pre ( RCA BA2 clone )
2 - D864 Compressor ( Federal clone )
Too Bad. Good Guy, Great stuff.
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Post by Ward on Apr 25, 2018 17:31:51 GMT -6
WOW, I've got 2 - D4 Tube pre (Redd 47 clone ) 2 - DA2 Tube pre ( RCA BA2 clone ) 2 - D864 Compressor ( Gates clone ) Too Bad. Good Guy, Great stuff. Ah fudge buckets. Sorry to read this and also very sorry about the news too. I guess it'll eventually be fairly difficult to acquire any of their now-defunct products |
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Post by winetree on Apr 25, 2018 18:15:22 GMT -6
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Post by indiehouse on Apr 25, 2018 18:17:57 GMT -6
How do you like that DA2? I really don’t need more preamps, unless it’s something super special. |
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Post by winetree on Apr 25, 2018 18:33:24 GMT -6
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Post by Quint on Apr 25, 2018 18:48:16 GMT -6
Damnit. I need another preamp like I need a hole in my head. But, I always was interested in the Dizengoff stuff and just never got around to buying one.
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Post by Ward on Apr 26, 2018 7:38:55 GMT -6
Thank you!! I just bought one of each |
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Post by EmRR on Apr 26, 2018 8:33:11 GMT -6
Wow, those reviews and sales blurbs are just plain ignorant. Too many points to address to even bother. I’d like to hear one and see what it actually does.
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Post by adamjbrass on Apr 26, 2018 8:34:38 GMT -6
Wow, those reviews and sales blurbs are just plain ignorant. Too many points to address to even bother. I’d like to hear one and see what it actually does. I tried the Mic preamp at a friends place and thought it was a distortion box with very low headroom. It sounded really ratty to me. But I suppose if you were careful you could get some tube tone from it. It didn't do anything for me, personally. I don't like dirty tube designs much, At all. |
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Post by ericn on Apr 26, 2018 8:38:16 GMT -6
Wow, those reviews and sales blurbs are just plain ignorant. Too many points to address to even bother. I’d like to hear one and see what it actually does. I tried the Mic preamp at a friends place and thought it was a distortion box with very low headroom. It sounded really ratty to me. But I suppose if you were careful you could get some tube tone from it. It didn't do anything for me, personally. I don't like dirty tube designs much, At all. Yeah we have guitar amps for that ! Revamping since before there was a name for it , in the 80’s we just called it getting dirty😎 |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Apr 26, 2018 8:41:25 GMT -6
Wow, those reviews and sales blurbs are just plain ignorant. Too many points to address to even bother. I’d like to hear one and see what it actually does. I tried the Mic preamp at a friends place and thought it was a distortion box with very low headroom. It sounded really ratty to me. But I suppose if you were careful you could get some tube tone from it. It didn't do anything for me, personally. I don't like dirty tube designs much, At all. Really wanted to like this company, but the D4 wasn't for me. I also had trouble with headroom and distortion. |
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Post by adamjbrass on Apr 26, 2018 8:45:27 GMT -6
I tried the Mic preamp at a friends place and thought it was a distortion box with very low headroom. It sounded really ratty to me. But I suppose if you were careful you could get some tube tone from it. It didn't do anything for me, personally. I don't like dirty tube designs much, At all. Really wanted to like this company, but the D4 wasn't for me. I also had trouble with headroom and distortion. I should note that my friend really likes it. I think he paid short money for it. And his application includes recording quiet material. So I can see why he likes it. But at the same time, it just seemed counter intuitive for me. If you seek something in this vein of sound, tone and added distortion-- the Chandler REDD47 has far better potential for greatness. At a cost, of course. |
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Post by EmRR on Apr 26, 2018 8:59:39 GMT -6
Well, the ACTUAL RCA BA-2 is one of my top faves of all time. Anyone who has headroom problems with an old preamp just doesn't understand the headroom situation with old preamps, you have to set them up properly and not expect modern swiss army knife behavior. Ok, I'll start on the review....YA DON'T PUT A U-67 OR ANY OTHER CONDENSER INTO THEM UNLESS IT'S A REALLY QUIET SOURCE. 10 gallons of horseshit in a 5 gallon pail....... I deal with one singer who can stand 3 feet back from a ribbon into a BA-2 and clip the MOTU 16A converter.
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Post by hadaja on Apr 26, 2018 9:02:46 GMT -6
one dealer i know said he was not sad to see the end of his stock of those products. I think the compressor was his best product put out in that range for me.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Apr 26, 2018 9:13:46 GMT -6
Well, the ACTUAL RCA BA-2 is one of my top faves of all time. Anyone who has headroom problems with an old preamp just doesn't understand the headroom situation with old preamps, you have to set them up properly and not expect modern swiss army knife behavior. Ok, I'll start on the review....YA DON'T PUT A U-67 OR ANY OTHER CONDENSER INTO THEM UNLESS IT'S A REALLY QUIET SOURCE. 10 gallons of horseshit in a 5 gallon pail....... I deal with one singer who can stand 3 feet back from a ribbon into a BA-2 and clip the MOTU 16A converter. For me, it was with the D4 (Redd clone), not the BA-2. Dialing up the gain to get some decent level at the output pushes the unit into distortion. I've personally never used another pre that acted like this. |
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Post by EmRR on Apr 26, 2018 9:25:40 GMT -6
Well, the ACTUAL RCA BA-2 is one of my top faves of all time. Anyone who has headroom problems with an old preamp just doesn't understand the headroom situation with old preamps, you have to set them up properly and not expect modern swiss army knife behavior. Ok, I'll start on the review....YA DON'T PUT A U-67 OR ANY OTHER CONDENSER INTO THEM UNLESS IT'S A REALLY QUIET SOURCE. 10 gallons of horseshit in a 5 gallon pail....... I deal with one singer who can stand 3 feet back from a ribbon into a BA-2 and clip the MOTU 16A converter. For me, it was with the D4 (Redd clone), not the BA-2. Dialing up the gain to get some decent level at the output pushes the unit into distortion. I've personally never used another pre that acted like this. You CAN'T get a hot output from any of these things. The max output of a D4 should be same as a REDD.47 which is only +6dBm at rated distortion. BA-2 rated output is +2dBm. When I clip a converter with one it's fully into power supply clipping and pretty hairy, but not a nasty hair. If it's electric guitar, it just makes it fatter. |
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Post by EmRR on Apr 26, 2018 9:29:40 GMT -6
one dealer i know said he was not sad to see the end of his stock of those products. I think the compressor was his best product put out in that range for me. I wonder the actual reasons. Another BA-2 thing; if the tube mentioned in the review above is truly what's in there, it's nothing like the original type, and disqualifies most comparisons. Pictures show yet a different tube that would be much closer, but still not the original type. |
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Post by gouge on Apr 26, 2018 17:23:36 GMT -6
i was using the compressor and found the gain staging very difficult to get right. the stereo link is completely pointless as well because of gain stagin issues.
complaints were made to dizz to be told there was a rev a and b version and they had a 5db difference in output and would need mods to be brought into alignment.
trying to get that done in australia or through diz turned out to be easier than manufacturing gold.
i'm not surprised there are user complaints and the company stopped. there is no way i'd buy another piece of diz kit.
there were a lot of fanboys writing stuff online i found to be not true.
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Post by hadaja on Apr 26, 2018 19:26:18 GMT -6
Yep I made sure I got one of the REV B versions but there a lot of REV A's out there on the D864 comp. IF you do a search for Diz problems there a few people who did experience issues but I am sure the majority of people like myself accepted the fact that it was a cheaper product and it does have a unique vibe that was worth the sound that I get from my comp in the end. He did a special pricing on the D864 units after he released his Rev B that was worth the admission.
But after delving into his Preamp's and tossing up whether to get one or two, I deemed it too risky like GOUGE to be buying something in Australia and then to experience return issues. I did read form users they were experiencing some issues that I did not want to take a gamble on. But I do love his D864 compressor.
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Post by malkit on Apr 26, 2018 21:28:09 GMT -6
It's funny how favorable write-ups can fuel the gear lust.
I owned all three of diz's pieces, at some point.
Had actually sent the d4 back because I thought there was something wrong with it, only to find out that it would always deliver distortion above -18dbfs in my DAW. I didn't jive with the flavor of distortion or the quiet recording style I'd need to develop, so I sold it. I can't imagine trying to hit tape with that thing. It would be a cacophony of fuzz.
The 864 was fine, but the gain-staging was again a problem. I think I was running a preamp after the comp, at some point, to bring back the gain without clipping.
The da2 seemed much more normative and gentle, and was the winner of the lineup in my eyes. I just found it to be not as versatile or sonically interesting as my CAPI or Neve-styled preamps.
The owner used to post on this forum, and seemed like a nice guy- definitely helpful when I had issues. I hope he finds his way back on the straight and narrow.
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Post by EmRR on Apr 27, 2018 4:33:53 GMT -6
An AM-864 is rated at slightly less than +8dBm output at LESS THAN 2% distortion in the MID-BAND, so higher in the bottom.
He seems to have made 3 antique product clones that no one knows how to drive. Easily fine in execution, but not meeting modern expectations. 2 preamps that were meant to function within the confines of a console having additional output headroom. All more suited to tape than digital.
Who put a D4 up against another REDD 47 clone?
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Post by M57 on Apr 27, 2018 6:05:48 GMT -6
I sent back a D4 because with an intermittent noise issue. Matt took it back, replaced a tube that he admitted he was having a higher failure rate with. He was very transparent and the turnover was very fast. I sold both of my D4s because I just couldn't get them to gain-stage happily. They just ran into distortion way too easily. I loved the big sound, but..
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Post by svart on Apr 27, 2018 6:13:59 GMT -6
An AM-864 is rated at slightly less than +8dBm output at LESS THAN 2% distortion in the MID-BAND, so higher in the bottom. He seems to have made 3 antique product clones that no one knows how to drive. Easily fine in execution, but not meeting modern expectations. 2 preamps that were meant to function within the confines of a console having additional output headroom. All more suited to tape than digital. Who put a D4 up against another REDD 47 clone? The same thoughts came to my mind reading through this thread and having read a lot of stuff on this company.. Seems people want exact clones based on hype, but want all the modern attributes, without any of the vintage detriments. |
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