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Post by stratboy on May 21, 2019 7:29:55 GMT -6
Haven’t seen any mention in this thread of the Vintech x73i as an alternative to the Stam. American-made, high quality, none of the problems described so exhaustively here. I learned on Neve consoles in the 70s and have owned two x73i for over a decade. They nail the Neve preamp and EQ sound for only $400 more than the Stam. I know $400 is a lot of money, but reading about all the problems with delivery, money held, etc., it may be worth it. Food for thought...
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Post by Quint on May 21, 2019 7:38:23 GMT -6
Haven’t seen any mention in this thread of the Vintech x73i as an alternative to the Stam. American-made, high quality, none of the problems described so exhaustively here. I learned on Neve consoles in the 70s and have owned two x73i for over a decade. They nail the Neve preamp and EQ sound for only $400 more than the Stam. I know $400 is a lot of money, but reading about all the problems with delivery, money held, etc., it may be worth it. Food for thought... I need to do a proper shootout between my pair of Vintech 573s and the preamp section of my new pair of Stam 1073s. Are your x73i the older ones with the Carnill transformers or the newer ones with the Altran transformers?
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Post by stratboy on May 21, 2019 7:40:24 GMT -6
The old ones. I’d be interested in your shootout with the 573s, because I’d maybe add a pair if I ever expand my number of preamps. That said, I think there are probably a number of Neve clones that get that sound, including Stam, maybe (with his emphasis on exact recreation) even more than most. But is it worth the wait/time/frustration/money out/communication/effort/etc? Can you put a price on that? Maybe, it’s $400. 😊
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Post by Quint on May 21, 2019 7:47:31 GMT -6
I believe both of my 573s are the newer ones with the Altran. I imagine that would maybe create a little bit of a difference.
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Post by stam on May 21, 2019 7:50:35 GMT -6
I believe both of my 573s are the newer ones with the Altran. I imagine that would maybe create a little bit of a difference. Would love to hear your thoughts on these and how they compare You have mine with Sowters right? Altran makes good transformers
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Post by stam on May 21, 2019 7:54:05 GMT -6
The old ones. I’d be interested in your shootout with the 573s, because I’d maybe add a pair if I ever expand my number of preamps. That said, I think there are probably a number of Neve clones that get that sound, including Stam, maybe (with his emphasis on exact recreation) even more than most. But is it worth the wait/time/frustration/money out/communication/effort/etc? Can you put a price on that? Maybe, it’s $400. 😊 Isn't the vintech 1890 USD with the EQ? People who pre-ordered mine got it for 790 USD, now 990 USD So that is 1.100 USD difference. I should price mine at 3.000 if I were a bit smarter. It is a real Neve 1073 sound wise and at 790 USD we made no money at all. The perks of having patience, getting something for peanuts that replicates a vintage unit 100%
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Post by swurveman on May 21, 2019 8:13:19 GMT -6
It’s an interesting discussion but semantic if sonic differences are not significant and or if owners like the sound of the gear ? This is the whole dilemma of the clone era. First of all, how many people have even heard a vintage Neve 1073? Secondly, the manufacturing and marketing is using the vintage gear as bait. They design the module to look exactly like the original on purpose, and market it saying, This (Clone) is the finest replica, or most careful replica, or as authentic as you can get, of the legendary british channel (NEVE) strip available on the market today. Then, they get into trouble when they misrepresent what's in the product, even when it still sounds great to some people. They are in a Catch -22. They are counting on the reputation of the original to help sell the product, but then have to answer about the differences. Meanwhile, it's hard to verify veracity of the claim, without hearing an original. So, you get what we have here. A whole lot of debate based mostly on people's subjective taste. It gets worse, when there are people paid (not suggesting it's happening here) to hype the product.
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Post by stratboy on May 21, 2019 8:17:42 GMT -6
The old ones. I’d be interested in your shootout with the 573s, because I’d maybe add a pair if I ever expand my number of preamps. That said, I think there are probably a number of Neve clones that get that sound, including Stam, maybe (with his emphasis on exact recreation) even more than most. But is it worth the wait/time/frustration/money out/communication/effort/etc? Can you put a price on that? Maybe, it’s $400. 😊 Isn't the vintech 1890 USD with the EQ? People who pre-ordered mine got it for 790 USD, now 990 USD So that is 1.100 USD difference. I should price mine at 3.000 if I were a bit smarter. It is a real Neve 1073 sound wise and at 790 USD we made no money at all. The perks of having patience, getting something for peanuts that replicates a vintage unit 100% No worries! The x73i at Sweetwater this morning was $1375. Not quarreling with you. As a former business owner and consultant, I can tell you that the best way to end all doubts about your business and stop having to put energy into these discussions on this and other forums, is to work on your execution and logistics until your company consistently delivers on ALL of its promises, not just the quality of the end product when it finally arrives. Or, if your current business model is working for you, then the controversy is just a cost of doing business in that model, so carry on!
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Post by jeremygillespie on May 21, 2019 9:00:49 GMT -6
The old ones. I’d be interested in your shootout with the 573s, because I’d maybe add a pair if I ever expand my number of preamps. That said, I think there are probably a number of Neve clones that get that sound, including Stam, maybe (with his emphasis on exact recreation) even more than most. But is it worth the wait/time/frustration/money out/communication/effort/etc? Can you put a price on that? Maybe, it’s $400. 😊 Isn't the vintech 1890 USD with the EQ? People who pre-ordered mine got it for 790 USD, now 990 USD So that is 1.100 USD difference. I should price mine at 3.000 if I were a bit smarter. It is a real Neve 1073 sound wise and at 790 USD we made no money at all. The perks of having patience, getting something for peanuts that replicates a vintage unit 100% You set the price. If you need more money, simply charge more. If the gear is that good people will buy it. With the amount of gear you sell you could make a boatload more if you charged $150 more per piece.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 21, 2019 9:09:16 GMT -6
I’m just going to delete any more genre arguments.
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Post by Quint on May 21, 2019 9:29:05 GMT -6
I believe both of my 573s are the newer ones with the Altran. I imagine that would maybe create a little bit of a difference. Would love to hear your thoughts on these and how they compare You have mine with Sowters right? Altran makes good transformers I do have the Stams with Sowter. When I have time, hopefully here in the near future, I can try to do a shoot out and see how they compare. FYI, I emailed you this morning about picking up a SA-67 with the new Tim Campbell capsules.
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Post by mike on May 22, 2019 15:31:25 GMT -6
Haven’t seen any mention in this thread of the Vintech x73i as an alternative to the Stam. American-made, high quality, none of the problems described so exhaustively here. I learned on Neve consoles in the 70s and have owned two x73i for over a decade. They nail the Neve preamp and EQ sound for only $400 more than the Stam. I know $400 is a lot of money, but reading about all the problems with delivery, money held, etc., it may be worth it. Food for thought...
I have both a X73i and a pair of Stam 1073EQ with Sowters. I agree the Vintech is a quality piece of gear and one I've been happy to use the past 6 years. While I haven’t had the time yet to more thoroughly shoot them both out, each time I've done a quick sample comparing vocals through both, (whether it was EQ out for preamp only or EQ in) left me preferring the Stam 1073EQ with Sowters every time FWIW.
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Post by Derek Reese on Jun 4, 2019 13:48:55 GMT -6
Anyone receive their 1073eq that lives in NYC ? just curious after you get your tracking number who long it took to get to you ? I haven't received a tracking number, just curious.
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Post by MorEQsThanAnswers on Jun 5, 2019 10:20:52 GMT -6
Does anybody have a link to a DIY passive mic level splitter kit? I'd love to do some shootouts, but don't want to spend the money on the Radial
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Post by pope on Jun 5, 2019 10:40:34 GMT -6
Does anybody have a link to a DIY passive mic level splitter kit? I'd love to do some shootouts, but don't want to spend the money on the Radial I believe all you need is an appropriate transformer?
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Post by MorEQsThanAnswers on Jun 5, 2019 12:16:04 GMT -6
Does anybody have a link to a DIY passive mic level splitter kit? I'd love to do some shootouts, but don't want to spend the money on the Radial I believe all you need is an appropriate transformer? Unless you know something I don’t, I think I need more. Was looking at the Radial ProMS for example
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Post by Derek Reese on Jun 5, 2019 15:03:10 GMT -6
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Post by sirthought on Jun 5, 2019 15:31:52 GMT -6
Does anybody have a link to a DIY passive mic level splitter kit? I'd love to do some shootouts, but don't want to spend the money on the Radial My man...start a new thread for this kind of stuff.
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Post by MorEQsThanAnswers on Jun 5, 2019 15:38:58 GMT -6
Does anybody have a link to a DIY passive mic level splitter kit? I'd love to do some shootouts, but don't want to spend the money on the Radial My man...start a new thread for this kind of stuff. Was just about to. Posted in here because I'm trying to directly shoot out a Stam with a BAE and figured people could be picky about my method Hoped it would have been solved in a single post but now see this for the rabbit hole it is.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 5, 2019 16:27:49 GMT -6
Be nice...we aren't picky about off topic here.
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Post by Derek Reese on Jun 7, 2019 17:38:44 GMT -6
My man...start a new thread for this kind of stuff. Was just about to. Posted in here because I'm trying to directly shoot out a Stam with a BAE and figured people could be picky about my method Hoped it would have been solved in a single post but now see this for the rabbit hole it is. The link that i posted, was it helpful at all ?
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Post by MorEQsThanAnswers on Jun 8, 2019 18:54:23 GMT -6
Was just about to. Posted in here because I'm trying to directly shoot out a Stam with a BAE and figured people could be picky about my method Hoped it would have been solved in a single post but now see this for the rabbit hole it is. The link that i posted, was it helpful at all ? Yes! Much appreciated!
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Post by mbatalha on Jun 13, 2019 16:38:29 GMT -6
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Post by MorEQsThanAnswers on Jun 16, 2019 10:33:31 GMT -6
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Post by MorEQsThanAnswers on Jun 16, 2019 10:42:06 GMT -6
Also, I wanted to post a quick review after one week. This EQ is AWESOME! My bass has never sounded fatter! I haven't had a real neve experience to shoot out, but comparing to my BAE, I think the magic is very much there!
That said, it took me a second to relearn the gain-staging after coming from the BAE. I think the BAE is putting out a hotter signal... would that make sense? Seems like I'm turning my compressor input (directly after the EQ) up significantly more from my old settings. At first, the lack of output had me juicing the input a little bit hotter. I quickly realized this was a mistake and that my INPUT side should be similar to how I set the BAE, but the output will naturally be lower (in other words, I believe they are distorting in a similar way at similar gain settings). It's something I'll have to think about when fighting noise but by no means a deal breaker. My first impression was WOW and I'm really glad that I made the purchase!
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