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Post by mike on Apr 11, 2019 21:54:47 GMT -6
OK - I'm extremely, extremely impressed. Thick, consistent across the frequency range regardless of dynamic, ZERO bite. It sounds like the vintage ones I've used...seriously. I might be buying a second one. Here's a quick vocal. And I added it with the V-Comp, ADG-D and ADG-A...Haven't had a chance to hook it up line level and use the EQ...just by listening, all the knobs do what they say lol. Look forward to seeing how smooth the top is. But as far as a pre (with EQ engaged), it's absolutely fantastic. It's hard to compare, because it has been years since I've owned some of the other clones (BAE, Heritage, Aurora, Avedis)...and I have better mics, better ADDA, etc. But I don't remember them being as thick and smooth on the top as this. Maybe the Aurora and maybe the BAE...although, I've had a thing where I sometimes thought Neve could king of have a laser beam kind of mid thing. But damn, not this. I might be ordering a second one. Stam 1073EQ RAW - drive.google.com/open?id=1dGpVoqaMu0-wTxnU1obclAB2P-GR2F3e1073 --> V-Comp with around -15 GR - drive.google.com/open?id=1BAkTkS7uw-WBFuFv6_USCLQehe5_Z0oK1073 --> 1176 ADG - D - drive.google.com/open?id=1GO1DJ8thpZlGxGxWs0nv7bTfdThAosyX1073 --> 1176 ADG - A - drive.google.com/open?id=1JkWO593s9AzlIBxPsCp_Tx-Zo4HO6tcr
With how thick and smooth the pre is, that's the beauty of the 3 revisions in one box of the ADG to easily compare how the vocal sounds through the pre with each revision. For that pre, I liked the ADG - A and the V-comp best.
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Post by askomiko on Apr 12, 2019 0:56:09 GMT -6
Hmm, could you measure how far the knobs are from the front panel? Just to make sure it fits onto my rack with the doors closed.
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Post by jampa on Apr 12, 2019 1:18:12 GMT -6
The envy is real
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Post by jcoutu1 on Apr 12, 2019 4:27:05 GMT -6
Johnkenn,can you loosen the set screws on the knobs, push them back a little and reset them or is there not room for that?
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Post by Ward on Apr 12, 2019 6:04:30 GMT -6
OK - I'm extremely, extremely impressed. Thick, consistent across the frequency range regardless of dynamic, ZERO bite. It sounds like the vintage ones I've used...seriously. I might be buying a second one. Here's a quick vocal. And I added it with the V-Comp, ADG-D and ADG-A...Haven't had a chance to hook it up line level and use the EQ...just by listening, all the knobs do what they say lol. Look forward to seeing how smooth the top is. But as far as a pre (with EQ engaged), it's absolutely fantastic. It's hard to compare, because it has been years since I've owned some of the other clones (BAE, Heritage, Aurora, Avedis)...and I have better mics, better ADDA, etc. But I don't remember them being as thick and smooth on the top as this. Maybe the Aurora and maybe the BAE...although, I've had a thing where I sometimes thought Neve could king of have a laser beam kind of mid thing. But damn, not this. I might be ordering a second one. Stam 1073EQ RAW - drive.google.com/open?id=1dGpVoqaMu0-wTxnU1obclAB2P-GR2F3e1073 --> V-Comp with around -15 GR - drive.google.com/open?id=1BAkTkS7uw-WBFuFv6_USCLQehe5_Z0oK1073 --> 1176 ADG - D - drive.google.com/open?id=1GO1DJ8thpZlGxGxWs0nv7bTfdThAosyX1073 --> 1176 ADG - A - drive.google.com/open?id=1JkWO593s9AzlIBxPsCp_Tx-Zo4HO6tcrholy crap . . . the sound of that V-Comp compared to the two ADG modes is ASTOUNDING!! Wow, this fuels the desire even more now.
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Post by shoe on Apr 12, 2019 6:33:06 GMT -6
OK - I'm extremely, extremely impressed. Thick, consistent across the frequency range regardless of dynamic, ZERO bite. It sounds like the vintage ones I've used...seriously. I might be buying a second one. Here's a quick vocal. And I added it with the V-Comp, ADG-D and ADG-A...Haven't had a chance to hook it up line level and use the EQ...just by listening, all the knobs do what they say lol. Look forward to seeing how smooth the top is. But as far as a pre (with EQ engaged), it's absolutely fantastic. It's hard to compare, because it has been years since I've owned some of the other clones (BAE, Heritage, Aurora, Avedis)...and I have better mics, better ADDA, etc. But I don't remember them being as thick and smooth on the top as this. Maybe the Aurora and maybe the BAE...although, I've had a thing where I sometimes thought Neve could king of have a laser beam kind of mid thing. But damn, not this. I might be ordering a second one. Stam 1073EQ RAW - drive.google.com/open?id=1dGpVoqaMu0-wTxnU1obclAB2P-GR2F3e1073 --> V-Comp with around -15 GR - drive.google.com/open?id=1BAkTkS7uw-WBFuFv6_USCLQehe5_Z0oK1073 --> 1176 ADG - D - drive.google.com/open?id=1GO1DJ8thpZlGxGxWs0nv7bTfdThAosyX1073 --> 1176 ADG - A - drive.google.com/open?id=1JkWO593s9AzlIBxPsCp_Tx-Zo4HO6tcrSounds great! Is that the Sowter version? Sounds like it to me.
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 12, 2019 6:36:09 GMT -6
Yeah. Sowter.
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Post by shoe on Apr 12, 2019 6:47:33 GMT -6
Awesome. Yeah the Sowter MPA I have has a similar smoothness, for lack of a better word, while the Carnhill has a bit of a more diffuse-sounding top end.
It's a bit hard for me to describe these things because my brain tends to visualize sounds as shapes, textures, and colors.
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 12, 2019 6:49:56 GMT -6
Yeah seems like I’ve really liked everything I’ve had that had Sowter transformers.
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Post by shoe on Apr 12, 2019 7:01:01 GMT -6
Yeah seems like I’ve really liked everything I’ve had that had Sowter transformers. Same! I did the v2 Sowter upgrade on my SA2A and like it so much more afterwards. It's also less noisy with the Sowter transformer, so I am guessing they are better shielded and they are definititely a bit darker in the top end than the original Cinemags, so white noise is also tamed. I had done the SA2A upgrade in stages. I did transformers only first to hear what that sounded like. I liked it, but the Sowters were a little too dark until I swapped in the recommended solen "fast" output capacitor. Then it was really well balanced and that's how it has stayed. I'm somewhat curious to see what would happen if I tried the stock Sowter 1073 transformers in the Carnhill MPA (the Stam ones are a custom part number). Also curious what would happen if I put them in my Warm Audio 273EQ...
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Post by the1984studios on Apr 12, 2019 12:37:13 GMT -6
Sounds really good. A little hard to know what the pre is responsible for (as in any sample) but the overall sonics are lovely. Love the sound of that ADG Rev A and that V-Comp is impressively transparent, in a flattering way. Might be one of those in my future if I bail on the SA-23A+. Agreed! Dude.... the V-Comp set to slightly slower recovery times is ridiculously transparent (compression-wise), while the tone of the box itself adds a ton of character and vibe but the compression is just so so so musical.... effortless comes to mind. It's the super musical, mu thing that is insanely program dependent... changing with every transient or syllable. Crazy for the price... like, bonkers. What a wonderful world we live in these days... when it comes to boutique, handmade analog hardware available...
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Post by jakeharris on Apr 12, 2019 14:01:27 GMT -6
What's the V-comp?
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 12, 2019 14:14:42 GMT -6
Audioscape engineering new sort of sta clone and it’s referred to as V for use with vocals, is I think the story ?
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Post by brenta on Apr 12, 2019 14:21:54 GMT -6
Probably V for vari mu.
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Post by jtc111 on Apr 12, 2019 14:40:31 GMT -6
Here's a link to the V-Comp. It's listed as out of stock right now. Chris sold through his first batch of five in under a minute and probably not much longer than that on the second batch. But anyone that really wants one can write to him via the website. Chris is responsive to emails, will give you an idea of how soon he can have one ready, and will only take your money when your unit is ready to ship. I've gone that route with him a couple of times and never had to wait very long.
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Post by the1984studios on Apr 12, 2019 15:01:42 GMT -6
Spoke to Chris a couple of days ago regarding release... they're announcing the official release date for the V-Comp by the end of next week if I remember right... =D
....and this time, stock will be much more plentiful in an attempt to meet the insane demand for all the AudioScape stuff!
EDIT: Sorry John for getting OT! =D
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 12, 2019 15:02:34 GMT -6
Yeah I’ve had to adjust a little by selecting slower recovery than the sta...I guess since it’s designed a little faster.
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Post by shoe on Apr 12, 2019 16:01:13 GMT -6
Oh cool. I'd like to try some audioscape stuff. Though, 1176 > RS124 is what I typically use for vocals and I'm quite happy with that.
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Post by porkyman on Apr 12, 2019 17:13:09 GMT -6
That rev A sounds incredible.
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Post by stam on Apr 13, 2019 6:55:32 GMT -6
Incredible how a 690 USD fet compressors can hold it's place against a 1.290 USD tube compressor which should always flatter sound better, I like the V comp and A revision best. The A rev has the highest secondary THD of all 3 revisions. I did feel they were not level matched with the other two. Could you check John?
The V comp sounds very good on the samples, well done Chris.
I hope we can run this through a StamChild or SA23A+ to compare apples with apples
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 13, 2019 8:15:20 GMT -6
Incredible how a 690 USD fet compressors can hold it's place against a 1.290 USD tube compressor which should always flatter sound better, I like the V comp and A revision best. The A rev has the highest secondary THD of all 3 revisions. I did feel they were not level matched with the other two. Could you check John? The V comp sounds very good on the samples, well done Chris. I hope we can run this through a StamChild or SA23A+ to compare apples with apples Ahem...you should send me one Yeah, I just eyeballed levels. Wasn’t really a comparison as much as letting people hear these in context. I actually liked the D better. But I don’t really like the extra saturation A’s put on vocals. This box definitely has that midrange push that vintage ones have.
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Post by ragan on Apr 13, 2019 10:28:25 GMT -6
Incredible how a 690 USD fet compressors can hold it's place against a 1.290 USD tube compressor which should always flatter sound better, I like the V comp and A revision best. The A rev has the highest secondary THD of all 3 revisions. I did feel they were not level matched with the other two. Could you check John? The V comp sounds very good on the samples, well done Chris. I hope we can run this through a StamChild or SA23A+ to compare apples with apples Ahem...you should send me one Yeah, I just eyeballed levels. Wasn’t really a comparison as much as letting people hear these in context. I actually liked the D better. But I don’t really like the extra saturation A’s put on vocals. This box definitely has that midrange push that vintage ones have. You should send him the dry vocal. I’d love to hear it through the SA23+ while I contemplate whether to stay on the Stam train or jump ship into Audioscape land.
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 13, 2019 11:57:57 GMT -6
I’d rather him send me the Stamchild
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Post by ragan on Apr 13, 2019 12:26:35 GMT -6
I’d rather him send me the Stamchild That would be nice but I don’t want to wait till 2021 to decide whether I’m keeping these orders or cutting bait.
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Post by the1984studios on Apr 13, 2019 16:00:22 GMT -6
Ahem...you should send me one Yeah, I just eyeballed levels. Wasn’t really a comparison as much as letting people hear these in context. I actually liked the D better. But I don’t really like the extra saturation A’s put on vocals. This box definitely has that midrange push that vintage ones have. You should send him the dry vocal. I’d love to hear it through the SA23+ while I contemplate whether to stay on the Stam train or jump ship into Audioscape land. Just do it already. You'll NEVER regret it. Mwhahahaha. I own almost everything that Chris makes, so I'm a fanboy, admittedly so. BUT, it's because his stuff is fkn ridiculous and has never failed to absolutely AMAZE me. Plus, I love and feel GOOD supporting a small, family owned company that makes every unit by hand in the USA... with essentially, zero compromise. It's truly amazing what AS has been able to achieve with their products, sonically. Total steal... I've owned a TON of gear over the years.... and Chris and Co. at AudioScape are absolutely killing it... The new stuff is CRAZY...
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