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Post by Blackdawg on Apr 6, 2018 8:03:44 GMT -6
my problem with PC is they release more updates than an indecisive kid in a candy store.
They you're just constantly on the never update it band wagon because it works now. Which I usually am anyways. But to even install some software you have to hunt the web for specific builds for it to even work right. Im referring to Pyramix here.
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Post by jeremygillespie on Apr 6, 2018 8:47:21 GMT -6
I never understood why apple can't just make a simple box for serious users. I'm totally fine with them making their "beautiful" designs for the masses, and they do a good job at that. But most high end users would be perfectly fine with a 2RU case with the capability of holding 2 drives, a baddass processor, and a few PCI card slots...
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Post by ericn on Apr 6, 2018 9:23:04 GMT -6
my problem with PC is they release more updates than an indecisive kid in a candy store. They you're just constantly on the never update it band wagon because it works now. Which I usually am anyways. But to even install some software you have to hunt the web for specific builds for it to even work right. Im referring to Pyramix here. When your the biggest you have a very large target on your back!
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Apr 6, 2018 9:26:20 GMT -6
So Apple just continues to push in the opposite direction of what creatives want. At what point does the tipping point finally happen? Creatives have never been Apple's target customers. We used the Mac because they originally had a real-time operating system to support the graphics and that turned out to perform far better for MIDI and early audio recording than other computers. This speed advantage was 2 to 1 over a same CPU speed PC. It was first on the market that was lots cheaper than a full-on $20,000.00 workstation exactly like Pro Tools was the first workable sub-$100,000.00 audio recording system. The learning curve is steep enough on a DAW that professionals aren't inclined to take on learning something new unless it offers something significantly better.
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Post by ericn on Apr 6, 2018 9:30:33 GMT -6
I never understood why apple can't just make a simple box for serious users. I'm totally fine with them making their "beautiful" designs for the masses, and they do a good job at that. But most high end users would be perfectly fine with a 2RU case with the capability of holding 2 drives, a baddass processor, and a few PCI card slots... Honestly, Even though the artists saved Apple during its darkest hours, Jobs and now Cook realize the money is not with us but in the world of the general consumer. I keep saying the smartest thing the pro audio world could do is go Linux, but everybody see’s the potential of someday ending up on the shelves at Walmart! If we embraced Dante the way we should and forget TB USB we could bring some sense and stability to our corner of the universe!
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Apr 6, 2018 11:49:57 GMT -6
Don't forget that Jobs got fired for not allowing slots on a Mac. I understand there are some basic problems with non-real-time Linux which was why powerful DAWs never came out of the academic community and there was a lot of hesitation about neXt. More likely we'll see dedicated real-time hardware such as Digico's SoundGrid which is real-time Linux, Avid's S6L or original Radar which are real-time windows. We can only hitchhike for so long on Swiss Army Knife computers.
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Post by ericn on Apr 6, 2018 12:13:14 GMT -6
Don't forget that Jobs got fired for not allowing slots on a Mac. I understand there are some basic problems with non-real-time Linux which was why powerful DAWs never came out of the academic community and there was a lot of hesitation about neXt. More likely we'll see dedicated real-time hardware such as Digico's SoundGrid which is real-time Linux, Avid's S6L or original Radar which are real-time windows. We can only hitchhike for so long on Swiss Army Knife computers. Bob It simply amazes me the lack of BS every time I turn on my BE based RADAR 5! Another big thing is while Video and graphics have embraced turnkey systems, Audio guys always wan to think they know more than the intergrater or the manufacturer!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2018 17:14:45 GMT -6
The most significant reasons, why generic Linux distributions, that are not bound to a specific audio hardware platform (or BSD distros), still do not get much attention, is, that the number of professional interfaces that the ALSA guys were supporting, was just a handfull or two... There are some drivers, but manufacturers don't care much or the contact persons that communicate with the ALSA programmers seem not even to know, what kind of information is requested. E.g. my old M-Audio Profire Lightbridge never got supported. It works "somehow" with the BeBOB driver, but i only got 2 channels working, which is laughable for an interface that can run 32x32 ADAT channels + SPDIF and analog IO. M-Audio was contacted, and they did not even gave correct answer about the chip used. At least this is, what i think i remember from reading the developer mailing list entries years ago. And of course this is not the only interface not supported. They have some RME interfaces and that's essentially it. Maybe things change slowly, since more and more devices use common interfaces like USB class compliant or AVB. But i have no knowledge, how much of a standard AVB really is, there are many proprietary network audio systems on the market... I have no clue about how compatible the hardware really is. e.g. if you can use presonus and Motu hardware happily in one network concept... However, while latency of USB is always a thing and USB is far from an ideal interface for audio (because it is no concept with streaming in mind), it is still a step forward for many newer hardware that runs out of the box in Linux. What bothers me most in standard/PC Linux world is the RTFM/"whatfor anyone needs more than stereo"/"It is possible, but not for you, if you have to ask this stupid questions..." attitude of most forae. I mean, i came in contact with SCO Unix in quite young age and have been working with Linuxes professionally in IT world, i even have a professional programming training .. but really - getting useful information is much harder than in Win/Mac worlds... And you have to be prepared to get rude condescendent comments. It may sound exaggerated, but each time i digged for in depth information in Linux world, i stumbled upon exact this attitude more than once. I had some better experiences with AVLinux, where a small community was very helpful, but this is more of an exception... Maybe things will change slowly, nowadays more often i find Linux users e.g. in the Mixbus community, maybe this is a better start.... Don't get me wrong. I really want to like Linux for audio. I am excited by the possibilities to strip a system down to the bones and make it efficently with realtime kernels and not being bound to MS or Apple. I tried more than once, but gave up each time, necause i most of the time had to invest a lot of time while still having too many open issues (for my taste...).
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Apr 7, 2018 17:14:57 GMT -6
That's right, Radar ran on BE.
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