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Post by rowmat on Apr 3, 2018 19:45:21 GMT -6
Why does anyone care about Thunderbolt support on Windows (or a Hackintosh) where you can still use the superior technology? PCIe is better in literally every technical way for audio production....it's not like Thunderbolt is somehow better tech than PCIe. It's just better than like Firewire. I mean, unless you're looking to configure a mobile recording rig, I don't see the attraction. Thunderbolt is already going the way of FireWire. Apple have dumped it from their current crop of laptops. USB 3 is going to be the standard for wired connectivity for at least the next several years. |
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Post by Quint on Apr 3, 2018 19:49:18 GMT -6
Why does anyone care about Thunderbolt support on Windows (or a Hackintosh) where you can still use the superior technology? PCIe is better in literally every technical way for audio production....it's not like Thunderbolt is somehow better tech than PCIe. It's just better than like Firewire. I mean, unless you're looking to configure a mobile recording rig, I don't see the attraction. Because, very few interfaces these days offer pcie as a means of connection, whereas more and more interfaces are offering TB and that trend will only continue to increase. Also, TB is basically just pcie over a wire, so I'm not sure why you're equating TB as some sort of middle ground between FireWire and pcie? FW<<<<<TB=PCIe Or at the very least, FW<<<<<TB<PCIe |
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Post by Quint on Apr 3, 2018 19:53:31 GMT -6
Why does anyone care about Thunderbolt support on Windows (or a Hackintosh) where you can still use the superior technology? PCIe is better in literally every technical way for audio production....it's not like Thunderbolt is somehow better tech than PCIe. It's just better than like Firewire. I mean, unless you're looking to configure a mobile recording rig, I don't see the attraction. Thunderbolt is already going the way of FireWire. Apple have dumped it from their current crop of laptops. USB 3 is going to be the standard for wired connectivity for at least the next several years. That is news to me about Apple dumping TB. Are you sure you're not mixing up the older TB ports with the new USB-C ports, which can handle USB 3 AND TB over the same port? Macs AND PCs have been transitioning from TB ports to USB-C ports, but that's a change in the physical connector (not protocol) and has nothing to do with whether or not a new Mac or PC will have TB capability. By the way, Intel just dropped the licensing fees for TB. So if anything, I'd say TB is going to increase in it's presence, not decrease. |
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Post by rowmat on Apr 3, 2018 20:52:54 GMT -6
Thunderbolt is already going the way of FireWire. Apple have dumped it from their current crop of laptops. USB 3 is going to be the standard for wired connectivity for at least the next several years. That is news to me about Apple dumping TB. Are you sure you're not mixing up the older TB ports with the new USB-C ports, which can handle USB 3 AND TB over the same port? Macs AND PCs have been transitioning from TB ports to USB-C ports, but that's a change in the physical connector (not protocol) and has nothing to do with whether or not a new Mac or PC will have TB capability. By the way, Intel just dropped the licensing fees for TB. So if anything, I'd say TB is going to increase in it's presence, not decrease. My mistake. Yes the original TB port is gone (not the TB protocol) and is being replaced by the USB-C connector not the USB protocol. I wrote this in the early hours after not being able to sleep due to back pain issues and I think the pain killers I took have messed with my head. I alway get USB 3 and USB-C mixed up anyway and for some reason wrote the TB was an Apple invention rather than an Intel/Apple thing. However as USB-C becomes the standard ubiquitous connector type the relevance of specifying what naming protocol is used will become less relevant as it will no longer be tied to a unique connector type. I'm guessing that everything will soon become a universal USB protocol that simply increases in speed as it evolves. i.e. USB 1, USB 2, USB 3, USB 4, USB 5? etc. which I expect will remain backwards compatible for at least a period although at slower speeds. The main concern when buying expensive new hardware as standards change is how long will compatibility last. I guess my money would be on USB to outlive TB long term but who knows? |
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Post by ericn on Apr 3, 2018 21:21:15 GMT -6
Apple still leads the computer part of our industry, who thinks they will keep paying I tel for a TB license if they are dumping their chips?
Tim Cook is becoming an invented here guy.
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Post by rowmat on Apr 3, 2018 23:31:48 GMT -6
Apple still leads the computer part of our industry, who thinks they will keep paying I tel for a TB license if they are dumping their chips? Tim Cook is becoming an invented here guy. Yeah that's what I was kind of thinking with Apple apparently dumping Intel. Isn't TB part of the Intel CPU architecture? I would be uneasy about purchasing any new Thunderbolt hardware if you are tied to Apple as you could be left high and dry within a couple of years. I wouldn't put it past Apple to come out with some proprietary connection protocol that is neither TB or USB. |
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Apr 4, 2018 15:14:21 GMT -6
I think I read that Intel no longer charges for TB. You can bet their new modular mac PRO series will be Intel because it's needed for graphics and video but the rest may easily be something else.
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Post by ericn on Apr 4, 2018 19:33:32 GMT -6
I think I read that Intel no longer charges for TB. You can bet their new modular mac PRO series will be Intel because it's needed for graphics and video but the rest may easily be something else. If they don’t phase it out by then! |
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Apr 4, 2018 19:39:42 GMT -6
Thinking about it, they don't need TB with a computer with slots.
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Post by rowmat on Apr 4, 2018 20:23:15 GMT -6
Thinking about it, they don't need TB with a computer with slots. Well that rules out most of Apple. Do the current Mac Pros have accessible PCI slots? |
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Post by Blackdawg on Apr 4, 2018 21:47:40 GMT -6
Thinking about it, they don't need TB with a computer with slots. Well that rules out most of Apple. Do the current Mac Pros have accessible PCI slots? No. the trashcans just have 3 TB busses with 6 ports. |
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Post by BenjaminAshlin on Apr 4, 2018 23:15:14 GMT -6
It's nonsense to think that apple will phase out thunderbolt in the near future they will just build it into there new cpu with some sort of license from Intel. It's not like Intel want their format to fail. There isn't any reason to think that the new mac pro won't have thunderbolt ether.
My guess is that Apple will begin by moving their macbook air (or what ever its called now) to the new CPU and from there work their way up the line. Who know how long it will take them to match the speeds of a high spec intel cpu.
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Post by ericn on Apr 5, 2018 0:39:51 GMT -6
It's nonsense to think that apple will phase out thunderbolt in the near future they will just build it into there new cpu with some sort of license from Intel. It's not like Intel want their format to fail. There isn't any reason to think that the new mac pro won't have thunderbolt ether. My guess is that Apple will begin by moving their macbook air (or what ever its called now) to the new CPU and from there work their way up the line. Who know how long it will take them to match the speeds of a high spec intel cpu. Apple has a long history of abandonment of interfacing standards, and the people I know who know their development people are the ones telling me more and more the people at the very top are preaching the gospel of “ invented here”. Also if Intel is offering free TB Lic, it could be with the understanding that it would be used with an Intel CPU, even if that is not the case now, the loss of Apple as a customer and the hit that will do to their stock might require a new revenue stream and a small financial FU! |
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Post by mrholmes on Apr 5, 2018 1:11:35 GMT -6
If the BS starts again I will leave Apple and Logic. |
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Post by ericn on Apr 5, 2018 1:59:25 GMT -6
If the BS starts again I will leave Apple and Logic. When did it stop? |
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Apr 5, 2018 11:41:57 GMT -6
Apple news: They are only moving laptops to IOS and their own chips. The new Mac Pro has been moved back to 2019!
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Post by Blackdawg on Apr 5, 2018 11:47:13 GMT -6
Apple news: They are only moving laptops to IOS and their own chips. The new Mac Pro has been moved back to 2019! Wait Laptops are going to be running IOS? Wtf? |
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Post by ericn on Apr 5, 2018 11:51:42 GMT -6
Apple news: They are only moving laptops to IOS and their own chips. The new Mac Pro has been moved back to 2019! I am not sure if that is good or bad considering Mac Mini’s and IMacs are really repackaged laptops and IF IOS laptops are successful will those than be obvious long term crossover’s ? I still see the we can save a ton on development as can our partners with one OS on one family of chips as a simple profit booster! |
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Post by popmann on Apr 5, 2018 13:55:00 GMT -6
Apple has been working on the programming API side to get OSX and iOS mirroring each other in capability.....iOS has always run on proprietary DSP....and has been harshly critical of Microsoft's making their "full" OS run on a touch devices.
If you stick with Apple/Apogee/Logic, you WILL be on an iOS machine.....with a cable to a business partner built all in one audio interface/ADA/preamp/DI/Headphone type interface unit. Every few years, you'll need a new one of EACH. That's how they GET the partners.
Did you not UNDERSTAND what "the post PC era" meant? Did you chuckle thinking Jobs was taking a dig at Microsoft?
Of COURSe that's where APple's going....I've asked for years if this is going to bring back the embedded recording systems. Once the "computer" side of the equation is not subsidized by everyone and their mother requiring a new PC every few years. Once they're all using their phones and little tablets for all their needs...."computers" are no longer $899 or $1299 at Best Buy--once that market subsidy is taken away, will it be as attractive as buying a purpose built more efficient/elegant embedded system?
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Apr 5, 2018 18:05:14 GMT -6
I have a hunch we could return to dedicated hardware as computers turn into dedicated web browsers. Apogee now has windows drivers so I think their contract with Apple ended.
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Post by Blackdawg on Apr 5, 2018 18:59:54 GMT -6
Radar Studio is looking gooooood
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Post by c0rtland on Apr 5, 2018 19:30:23 GMT -6
"In other words, Apple needs Final Cut Pro to run well on the new Mac Pro, so the Pro Workflow Team helps keep those two projects closely aligned. The workflow team is also tasked with interfacing directly with pro consumers and the communities of workers who use Apple hardware and software across graphic design, film editing, animation, and other industries." www.theverge.com/2018/4/5/17202710/apple-mac-pro-new-2019-release-date-confirmedNot one mention of logic or audio users. Left behind. The trashcan may be my last mac. And if I leave mac, I'll probably leave iOS too. Not to mention if the iMac pro was the canary in the coal mine, the new modular Mac Pro system will probably cost as much as a vintage fairchild. I'm out. |
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Post by ericn on Apr 5, 2018 19:47:36 GMT -6
"In other words, Apple needs Final Cut Pro to run well on the new Mac Pro, so the Pro Workflow Team helps keep those two projects closely aligned. The workflow team is also tasked with interfacing directly with pro consumers and the communities of workers who use Apple hardware and software across graphic design, film editing, animation, and other industries." www.theverge.com/2018/4/5/17202710/apple-mac-pro-new-2019-release-date-confirmedNot one mention of logic or audio users. Left behind. The trashcan may be my last mac. And if I leave mac, I'll probably leave iOS too. Not to mention if the iMac pro was the canary in the coal mine, the new modular Mac Pro system will probably cost as much as a vintage fairchild. I'm out. If they were really aligned the trashcan wouldn’t have happened! I know a bunch of Vidiots who went PC because of that thing! I know an Avid dealer who said the trashcan was the best thing to happen to Avid video in years! |
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Post by c0rtland on Apr 5, 2018 19:53:05 GMT -6
Really... I'm not in the habit of paying attention to video goings on. Makes me wonder what happened.
I wish there was a way to use graphics processors for plug in processing. They managed that for bitcoin mining. The fasted gpu's nvidia make are hard to get because of miners
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Post by Quint on Apr 6, 2018 0:44:09 GMT -6
So Apple just continues to push in the opposite direction of what creatives want. At what point does the tipping point finally happen?
PC users are waiting over here on the other side to take advantage of the empty space.
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