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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 28, 2018 17:01:35 GMT -6
I'm borrowing a demo of Jeff's new Summing Unit (Holy shit) and I gotsta have more channels. No two-ways about it. I've heard horror stories about trying to use two Interfaces like that - but maybe it has changed. I'd love to keep the cost down by picking up something cheap with another 8 channels of DA - I just can't swing $2K for another 8 channels of Symphony. Also kinda sucks that the Symphony is really 8 In, 6 Out because two are used for the monitors. So I figured if I had 8 stereo (16 channels) pairs, it would be perfect.
Just how cheap do you think I can go?
Also - I'm gonna try and post a comparison with the ITB Sumbus. I only had 6 outs - so only three stereo channels...and apparently one of the cables was faulty on my dsub...So - I quickly routed a session I had just mixed into 5 channels of this thing...and I thought it was dramatically better. Sounds like a freaking console. Tight bottom, huge soundstage improvement. Even that was immediately noticeable.
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Post by Blackdawg on Mar 28, 2018 17:37:21 GMT -6
I am SO JEALOUS!!!!
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Post by hasbeen on Mar 28, 2018 17:44:11 GMT -6
Can you post a pic of this CAPI sum thing?
I just recommended in another thread "Behringer ADA8200 with Midas mic pres and Cirrus Logic A/D - D/A. Great price. Perfect companion for ADAT input with my Apollo."
Not really an interface though.
$150
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Post by Blackdawg on Mar 28, 2018 17:57:37 GMT -6
Yeah you can pick up the ADA8200 for pretty cheap. be easy to sell again as well. If you have light pipe anyways(sorry not familiar with the symphony)
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 28, 2018 19:13:26 GMT -6
That's a great idea! Haven't I read somewhere where it's really not that bad of a box?
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 28, 2018 19:16:11 GMT -6
And yes - I'll start a thread on the Sumbus! I have a project I'm finishing up - and a couple more to mix. I was thinking about mixing into the sumbus (BTW - I suggested "Sumbitch") just using the 5 channels...but I'm scared it's going to sound dramatically better than the others and he'll make me redo them lol.
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Post by Blackdawg on Mar 28, 2018 21:44:45 GMT -6
And yes - I'll start a thread on the Sumbus! I have a project I'm finishing up - and a couple more to mix. I was thinking about mixing into the sumbus (BTW - I suggested "Sumbitch") just using the 5 channels...but I'm scared it's going to sound dramatically better than the others and he'll make me redo them lol. I am so looking forward to having that Summing box. Can't wait to build it. Will look forward to to hearing it from your stuff. The ADA8200 isn't supposed to be horrible at all. BLA does a mod for it too to make it actually nice. But pretty expensive mods as most BLA mods are. |
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Post by mrholmes on Mar 28, 2018 23:28:41 GMT -6
That's a great idea! Haven't I read somewhere where it's really not that bad of a box? In my blindtest the ADA 8000 (older version) stayed in the rack because the diffreces to a much more expensive adat unit where very minor. I will never forget the blindtest on gs... The majority found it hard to evaluate a difference compared to a lynx aurora. |
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Post by adamjbrass on Mar 29, 2018 4:58:47 GMT -6
you need a super computer that will launch rockets,
otherwise, its an Aggravation Device.
The clock is squirly with it. I think it sucks.
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Post by javamad on Mar 29, 2018 5:37:01 GMT -6
If you have optical I/O on your Symphony you could try the Ferrofish Pulse 16 ... or even cheaper would be a used A16 - the predecessor.
Reviews say its very good sounding and they are very wallet-friendly
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 29, 2018 6:07:05 GMT -6
Oh duh...I don't need to worry about aggregate, right? I can just hook up via ADAT and use those outputs
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Post by Blackdawg on Mar 29, 2018 7:42:34 GMT -6
Oh duh...I don't need to worry about aggregate, right? I can just hook up via ADAT and use those outputs Yeah no need for aggregate. Just be expanding via ADAT. |
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Post by mjheck on Mar 29, 2018 8:32:19 GMT -6
I've done both - connecting via ADAT was seamless and worked great.
Creating an aggregate device, even in situations that were supposed to be unsupported, generally worked, though it would drift over time.
(restarting before each session generally kept that problem at bay).
But yeah, ADAT into the primary interface is how i have been working for the last several years without issue.
MJH
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 29, 2018 16:37:20 GMT -6
So - I can go ADAT out from the Symphony to whatever other interface...then I can route those physical connections to the Sumbus, correct? They would then be called ADAT 1, ADAT 2, etc?
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Post by Blackdawg on Mar 29, 2018 16:40:24 GMT -6
So - I can go ADAT out from the Symphony to whatever other interface...then I can route those physical connections to the Sumbus, correct? They would then be called ADAT 1, ADAT 2, etc? Yes sir. Only limitation could be your sample rate. On 8 channels will flow through one ADAT cable at 24/48 or lower. If you bump up to 88.2 or 96 your channel count will half. and of course don't forget to set it to slave clock...im sure you know that but just want to say it now to get it out of the way. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 29, 2018 16:40:35 GMT -6
Looks like that ADA8200 would work - but I have an extra 8 channel Dsub to 1/4" snake...and the 8200 is xlr...another snake will be $100 lol. Maybe I should pick up an old Focusrite Sapphire 40 or something...It's 1/4" analog output with ADAT in.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 29, 2018 16:45:02 GMT -6
So - I can go ADAT out from the Symphony to whatever other interface...then I can route those physical connections to the Sumbus, correct? They would then be called ADAT 1, ADAT 2, etc? Yes sir. Only limitation could be your sample rate. On 8 channels will flow through one ADAT cable at 24/48 or lower. If you bump up to 88.2 or 96 your channel count will half. Thought about that...I really don't do much at high sample rate...At 44.1/48 that gives me 14 mono channels...or 6 stereo buses and two mono...and that will be more than enough. Right now, I'm routing out 3 stereo channels into the Sumbus and it's already a not-so-subtle difference. |
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Post by hasbeen on Mar 29, 2018 17:25:14 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 29, 2018 18:15:28 GMT -6
Trying to decide between the 8200 and a Focusrite Saffire 40.
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Post by wiz on Mar 29, 2018 18:18:12 GMT -6
Trying to decide between the 8200 and a Focusrite Saffire 40. I have owned both. I use the ADA8200 atm here.. to drive headphones, VU meters and 4 Channels of my console. I owned the ADA8000 before as well. The main difference between the focus rite and the ADA is going to be set up I reckon. You will have to set up the focus rite to work in stand alone mode. I remember not liking their software interface very well. But you only really got to do it once. The ADA8200 is no slouch. Cheers Wiz |
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 29, 2018 18:51:01 GMT -6
Trying to decide between the 8200 and a Focusrite Saffire 40. I have owned both. I use the ADA8200 atm here.. to drive headphones, VU meters and 4 Channels of my console. I owned the ADA8000 before as well. The main difference between the focus rite and the ADA is going to be set up I reckon. You will have to set up the focus rite to work in stand alone mode. I remember not liking their software interface very well. But you only really got to do it once. The ADA8200 is no slouch. Cheers Wiz Thanks, Wiz! So basically it’s as easy as connecting out of the Symphony Adat to the in of the 8200? Then using the xlr outs to the input of my “console?” |
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 29, 2018 18:51:52 GMT -6
Btw - if anyone wants to do a group buy on these things, I could give some damn good deals.
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Post by Blackdawg on Mar 29, 2018 19:23:00 GMT -6
Yes sir. Only limitation could be your sample rate. On 8 channels will flow through one ADAT cable at 24/48 or lower. If you bump up to 88.2 or 96 your channel count will half. Thought about that...I really don't do much at high sample rate...At 44.1/48 that gives me 14 mono channels...or 6 stereo buses and two mono...and that will be more than enough. Right now, I'm routing out 3 stereo channels into the Sumbus and it's already a not-so-subtle difference. I work in 24/96k minimum so just wanted to make note of it. Glad its good difference! I have owned both. I use the ADA8200 atm here.. to drive headphones, VU meters and 4 Channels of my console. I owned the ADA8000 before as well. The main difference between the focus rite and the ADA is going to be set up I reckon. You will have to set up the focus rite to work in stand alone mode. I remember not liking their software interface very well. But you only really got to do it once. The ADA8200 is no slouch. Cheers Wiz Thanks, Wiz! So basically it’s as easy as connecting out of the Symphony Adat to the in of the 8200? Then using the xlr outs to the input of my “console?” Yep, pretty much it. Btw - if anyone wants to do a group buy on these things, I could give some damn good deals. GB on the Sumbuss?? I thought it was DIY? either way..you have peaked my interest... |
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 29, 2018 19:40:23 GMT -6
Ha. Well, I was talking about the 8200...buuut there might be something brewing to sell some pre built sumbus’
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 29, 2018 19:42:13 GMT -6
Just to pique a little interest.   |
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