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Post by guitfiddler on Feb 28, 2018 19:08:21 GMT -6
I was looking at this and it got me 🤔...What if I could build my own custom mixer? Yeah right...What are your thoughts? finegear.net/It even has a plugin option for color modules Are we building a mackie mixer, or is this thing pro?
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Post by nudwig on Feb 28, 2018 19:28:54 GMT -6
I just got that email too, very intrigued. Good prices and looks like a relatively easy build.
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Post by johneppstein on Feb 28, 2018 20:02:22 GMT -6
I was looking at this and it got me 🤔...What if I could build my own custom mixer? Yeah right...What are your thoughts? finegear.net/It even has a plugin option for color modules Are we building a mackie mixer, or is this thing pro? Your link wants me to register with Wordpress.
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Post by matt@IAA on Feb 28, 2018 20:47:37 GMT -6
I think you could build one on your own. And a mixer made of mdf?? Wild.
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Post by rocinante on Mar 1, 2018 8:45:31 GMT -6
It looks Mackie but I'm certain it's q step up. Still I kinda hate the light brown color scheme
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Post by jcoutu1 on Mar 1, 2018 9:01:59 GMT -6
It looks Mackie but I'm certain it's q step up. Still I kinda hate the light brown color scheme Crosstalk on a Mackie 1604 is -84. Crosstalk on this is -70. I'm not certain it's a step up.
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Post by johneppstein on Mar 1, 2018 17:01:39 GMT -6
It looks Mackie but I'm certain it's q step up. Still I kinda hate the light brown color scheme Crosstalk on a Mackie 1604 is -84. Crosstalk on this is -70. I'm not certain it's a step up. EEeeewwwww..... BTW, it should be noted that an increased crosstalk figure is almost certainly related to poor circuit layout. Crosstalk in cheap mixers is most likely caused by inductive coupling between traces or channels. Second most likely would be poor decoupling in the power rails. Edit: the link is working for me today. The idea of an MDF case makes me........ uneasy. MDF is not exactly known for its sheilding properties or its ruggedness.
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Post by Bender on Mar 1, 2018 17:16:13 GMT -6
Pass
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Post by drbill on Mar 1, 2018 17:34:47 GMT -6
I'm finding it hard to believe that people even want mixers anymore. So many great ones out there FS for peanuts - I have a killer one for sale for about $0.15 cents on the dollar with over 1000 "looks" and not even a single offer.. I mean, everyone TALKS the talk, but very, very few willing to actually install one these days. I remain skeptical. And yeah, those specs are scary.
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Post by forgotteng on Mar 1, 2018 19:25:54 GMT -6
I also got the email but the link didn't work for me.
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Post by guitfiddler on Mar 2, 2018 1:21:58 GMT -6
Thanks
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Post by ericn on Mar 2, 2018 12:07:40 GMT -6
Cool concept, but the execution falls short for me!
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Post by schmalzy on Mar 2, 2018 14:29:06 GMT -6
I'm finding it hard to believe that people even want mixers anymore. So many great ones out there FS for peanuts - I have a killer one for sale for about $0.15 cents on the dollar with over 1000 "looks" and not even a single offer.. I mean, everyone TALKS the talk, but very, very few willing to actually install one these days. I remain skeptical. And yeah, those specs are scary. Everyone wants to mix analog and look like a "real studio..." ...but then they measure out the footprint... ...and look at the cost of getting it into great working order... ...and look at the costs of cabling up... ...and look at how much time they'd lose to recalls/how perfect their mixes would have to be before sending them out... ...and then they look at adding i/o to make good use of the capability... ...and then all the sudden they're happy with their current setup. I like my console. I got it super cheap though. The preamps are better than the preamps on my interface, it has a ton of routing options, has a four-band EQ plus variable hpf on each channel, has a STUPID, STUPID loud headphone amp (which I needed one time for a near-deaf drummer - ugh take care of your ears, people! - but is often used at a much more reasonable level), and lends me a little "oh cool - this is legit!" from clients who walk in. I'm so glad I found this cheap desk to do a low-risk test drive of the analog desk thing before I got too bent on getting something more significant in price. If nothing else, I know exactly what I like and don't like about the analog console workflow and where I'm going to be placing most of my emphasis if I ever look at adding a studio centerpiece-style analog desk. ...and it's definitely not going to be one of these modular things with limited capability.
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Post by drbill on Mar 2, 2018 15:40:44 GMT -6
I'm finding it hard to believe that people even want mixers anymore. So many great ones out there FS for peanuts - I have a killer one for sale for about $0.15 cents on the dollar with over 1000 "looks" and not even a single offer.. I mean, everyone TALKS the talk, but very, very few willing to actually install one these days. I remain skeptical. And yeah, those specs are scary. and lends me a little "oh cool - this is legit!" from clients who walk in. . The #1 reason for a console. <<thumbsup>>
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Post by schmalzy on Mar 6, 2018 9:40:47 GMT -6
and lends me a little "oh cool - this is legit!" from clients who walk in. . The #1 reason for a console. <<thumbsup>> I didn't ever even think about the possibility that would be a thing but there's definitely an observable brain shift for some people when they walk in. It first happened with some random guys who had just set up their practice space with a small mixer. They came in and "Whoa! That's cool!" I didn't think anything of it. And then some rock band with guitar players with big pedalboards came in and gawked at it when we were setting up. I thought maybe it was the gear porn aspect. ...but then I had a (mostly) vocal group - males and females so it seems to not be a gender-specific phenomenon - with some acoustic guitar players come in. A fair bit of looking and questions followed. ...then some rappers... ...and an electronic guy... ...and some older guys... ...and some younger guys. I wouldn't have the damn thing if it didn't significantly improve my audio path quality, capability and workflow but it also lends me a small extra bit of perceived expertise from clients. In most cases the clients have already bought in to the whole "thing" of me being a good person to have produce their record before they come into the studio so it's definitely not getting me any clients (it's just a decent sounding live desk anyway) but it's just another piece of the "let's make this record special" puzzle. In related news, no one seems to give a shit about my super cool-sounding vintage Ludwig SuperSensitive snare, early 60s Epiphone acoustic (made in Michigan, that sounds surprisingly awesome), nice sounding set of Zildjian A cymbals (available for use to drummers who can prove they're not going to break my cymbals), or any of the other things I find cool about my setup.
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Post by Guitar on Mar 6, 2018 13:26:06 GMT -6
That thing is ridonkulous!
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Post by johneppstein on Mar 6, 2018 15:37:16 GMT -6
The #1 reason for a console. <<thumbsup>> I didn't ever even think about the possibility that would be a thing but there's definitely an observable brain shift for some people when they walk in. It first happened with some random guys who had just set up their practice space with a small mixer. They came in and "Whoa! That's cool!" I didn't think anything of it. And then some rock band with guitar players with big pedalboards came in and gawked at it when we were setting up. I thought maybe it was the gear porn aspect. ...but then I had a (mostly) vocal group - males and females so it seems to not be a gender-specific phenomenon - with some acoustic guitar players come in. A fair bit of looking and questions followed. ...then some rappers... ...and an electronic guy... ...and some older guys... ...and some younger guys. I wouldn't have the damn thing if it didn't significantly improve my audio path quality, capability and workflow but it also lends me a small extra bit of perceived expertise from clients. In most cases the clients have already bought in to the whole "thing" of me being a good person to have produce their record before they come into the studio so it's definitely not getting me any clients (it's just a decent sounding live desk anyway) but it's just another piece of the "let's make this record special" puzzle. In related news, no one seems to give a shit about my super cool-sounding vintage Ludwig SuperSensitive snare, early 60s Epiphone acoustic (made in Michigan, that sounds surprisingly awesome), nice sounding set of Zildjian A cymbals (available for use to drummers who can prove they're not going to break my cymbals), or any of the other things I find cool about my setup. It's not at all surprising that your Epi acoustic is awesome. Back in the day the Epi flat-tops had the rep of often being better than the corresponding Gibson branded models. The standard joke was that the guys working on the Epi guitars felt they had to work a little harder than the guys "across the street" at Gibson.
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Post by Blackdawg on Mar 6, 2018 16:13:56 GMT -6
there is supposed to be a metal frame coming out for it. But Im sure that will just drive the cost of it up. Doesn't seem like a nice piece of gear for the working professional.
Also worth noting it is not being made by Peterson at DIYRE. Its just in his news letter due to them adding a Color Module to it. Doesn't seem well implemented though either.
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Post by guitfiddler on Mar 7, 2018 5:32:02 GMT -6
That thing is ridonkulous! So it needs to be ridonkulated? Lol
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Post by Guitar on Mar 7, 2018 10:27:49 GMT -6
That thing is ridonkulous! So it needs to be ridonkulated? Lol Looks fully and utterly ridonkulated to me. hehe.
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Post by johneppstein on Mar 7, 2018 13:52:26 GMT -6
I really love the idea of fully modular boards. Unfortunately this isn't the sort of fully modular board I like.
Somebody needs to come out with a reasonably priced, expandable bare frame that's API compatible.
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Post by Guitar on Mar 7, 2018 14:23:44 GMT -6
I really love the idea of fully modular boards. Unfortunately this isn't the sort of fully modular board I like. Somebody needs to come out with a reasonably priced, expandable bare frame that's API compatible. How close would be a Buso desk or similar to this idea? The kind with the angled desktop racks. You could put a bunch of "channels" in there, even use a summing mixer if you want. A lot of people are set up this way these days. It's like a combination of the desk, a mixer, and outboard racks all in one place. I think it's kind of cool and maybe one day I'll go there when I outgrow this setup.
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Post by matt@IAA on Mar 7, 2018 15:34:29 GMT -6
I really love the idea of fully modular boards. Unfortunately this isn't the sort of fully modular board I like. Somebody needs to come out with a reasonably priced, expandable bare frame that's API compatible. I've thought about this quite a bit but what is counts as a bare frame? Two 500 series slots for Mic and EQ, with a fader, line amp, and busses? API-style you have 4 or 5 op amp stages from line in to direct out / bus. Another op amp or two for each bus including all aux or echo sends, another pair for the program bus. Every return needs one. Even a modestly sized console like 16 stages has 64 op amps before you even get to bussing and that doesn't include mic pres and EQ!
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Post by johneppstein on Mar 7, 2018 16:20:02 GMT -6
I really love the idea of fully modular boards. Unfortunately this isn't the sort of fully modular board I like. Somebody needs to come out with a reasonably priced, expandable bare frame that's API compatible. I've thought about this quite a bit but what is counts as a bare frame? Two 500 series slots for Mic and EQ, with a fader, line amp, and busses? API-style you have 4 or 5 op amp stages from line in to direct out / bus. Another op amp or two for each bus including all aux or echo sends, another pair for the program bus. Every return needs one. Even a modestly sized console like 16 stages has 64 op amps before you even get to bussing and that doesn't include mic pres and EQ! Something like a modest API frame, unloaded, with at least 3-4 500 series slots per channel. Probably 3 - mic pre, EQ, compressor, nope, need 1 more for buss assigns and 1 for auxes, so 5 plus fader.. Available in buckets of 8, plus a compatible master section. Provision for line amps inside the frame. Maybe split each bucket in two for those who don't need a bunch of auxes and mix busses.
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Post by matt@IAA on Mar 7, 2018 17:03:31 GMT -6
I've thought about this quite a bit but what is counts as a bare frame? Two 500 series slots for Mic and EQ, with a fader, line amp, and busses? API-style you have 4 or 5 op amp stages from line in to direct out / bus. Another op amp or two for each bus including all aux or echo sends, another pair for the program bus. Every return needs one. Even a modestly sized console like 16 stages has 64 op amps before you even get to bussing and that doesn't include mic pres and EQ! Something like a modest API frame, unloaded, with at least 3-4 500 series slots per channel. Probably 3 - mic pre, EQ, compressor, nope, need 1 more for buss assigns and 1 for auxes, so 5 plus fader.. Available in buckets of 8, plus a compatible master section. Provision for line amps inside the frame. Maybe split each bucket in two for those who don't need a bunch of auxes and mix busses. I don' tknow about doing the bus and aux routing in a 500 series. I think that'd get messy quick, even if you went to a double sided non-VPR pinout.
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