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Post by hadaja on Feb 27, 2018 22:21:36 GMT -6
I take the flu shot every morning its called the "Expresso Shot" does more then keep the flu away as well.
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Post by iamasound on Feb 28, 2018 2:21:06 GMT -6
I realize that this is a pro audio forum, but for those that wish to believe that any kind of mercury, be it in thimerosal used to preserve vaccines or that which is found in fish that is eaten, this is not music to my ears. I'm sure many here remember the medical establishment's reversals on thalidomide, calomel tooth powder, x-rays during pregnancy, or lead exposure to children. In each of these cases, thousands of children were injured or killed before an entrenched medical establishment was finally willing to abandon treatments that were unquestionably causing great harm. Seeing first hand the damage done to children after receiving innoculations, from chronic skin rashes, autoimmune disease and autism...I have come to accept that although not everyone is severely and adversely affected due to their own body chemistry, all mercury, whatever kind, be it in tuna fish or as a preservative in vaccines is highly toxic contrary to what the public relations arm of the CDC publicly states. In point of fact, just recently a review previous research meta data by their own CDC researchers stated just the opposite. This is the study (which costs about $100 to download) link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/398_2016_1 5/10/16 "There are a number of mechanisms by which alkylmercury compounds cause toxic action in the body. Collectively, published studies reveal that there are some similarities between the mechanisms of the toxic action of the mono-alkyl mercury compounds methylmercury (MeHg) and ethylmercury (EtHg). This paper represents a summary of some of the studies regarding these mechanisms of action in order to facilitate the understanding of the many varied effects of alkylmercurials in the human body. The similarities in mechanisms of toxicity for MeHg and EtHg are presented and compared. The difference in manifested toxicity of MeHg and EtHg are likely the result of the differences in exposure, metabolism, and elimination from the body, rather than differences in mechanisms of action between the two". Methylmercury, the highly-regulated neurotoxin found in fish, and ethylmercury (found in medical products, including influenza and tetanus vaccines, ear drops and nasal sprays) are similarly toxic to humans. Methylmercury and ethylmercury share common chemical properties, and both significantly disrupt central nervous system development and function. Thimerosal is extremely toxic at very low exposures and is more damaging than methylmercury in some studies. For example, ethylmercury is even more destructive to the mitochondria in cells than methylmercury. The ethylmercury in thimerosal does not leave the body quickly as the CDC once claimed, but is metabolized into highly neurotoxic forms. We all must make our own informed decisions which is hopefully based on relevant facts and observations and not on what we wish to believe, and in this case I understand that mercury is extremely harmful to our bodies and that some are more susceptible than others to mercury's toxicity. In this case I must give benefit of the doubt of the safety that the mouthpiece of the CDC speaks of.
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Post by jtc111 on Feb 28, 2018 7:57:14 GMT -6
Sorry I haven’t been around - I started feeling sick 8 days ago - and the flu has roooocked my world. 8 days of fever. Awesome. I’m getting better every day, man, this stuff is no joke. I’m now a week behind with work so I might be a little scarce. The full blown flu is no joke. I only had it once and remember thinking I didn't think it was possible to be that sick and live. My mouth and throat broke out in fever sores that caused an explosion of pain like I'd never experienced before every time I swallowed. My fever didn't go below 103.5 for 11 days. By the end, my brain was so cooked that I had to think hard about how to do even simple things like feeding the dogs. Glad you're on the mend.
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Post by joseph on Feb 28, 2018 9:51:02 GMT -6
I realize that this is a pro audio forum, but for those that wish to believe that any kind of mercury, be it in thimerosal used to preserve vaccines or that which is found in fish that is eaten, this is not music to my ears. I'm sure many here remember the medical establishment's reversals on thalidomide, calomel tooth powder, x-rays during pregnancy, or lead exposure to children. In each of these cases, thousands of children were injured or killed before an entrenched medical establishment was finally willing to abandon treatments that were unquestionably causing great harm. Seeing first hand the damage done to children after receiving innoculations, from chronic skin rashes, autoimmune disease and autism...I have come to accept that although not everyone is severely and adversely affected due to their own body chemistry, all mercury, whatever kind, be it in tuna fish or as a preservative in vaccines is highly toxic contrary to what the public relations arm of the CDC publicly states. In point of fact, just recently a review previous research meta data by their own CDC researchers stated just the opposite. This is the study (which costs about $100 to download) link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/398_2016_1 5/10/16 "There are a number of mechanisms by which alkylmercury compounds cause toxic action in the body. Collectively, published studies reveal that there are some similarities between the mechanisms of the toxic action of the mono-alkyl mercury compounds methylmercury (MeHg) and ethylmercury (EtHg). This paper represents a summary of some of the studies regarding these mechanisms of action in order to facilitate the understanding of the many varied effects of alkylmercurials in the human body. The similarities in mechanisms of toxicity for MeHg and EtHg are presented and compared. The difference in manifested toxicity of MeHg and EtHg are likely the result of the differences in exposure, metabolism, and elimination from the body, rather than differences in mechanisms of action between the two". Methylmercury, the highly-regulated neurotoxin found in fish, and ethylmercury (found in medical products, including influenza and tetanus vaccines, ear drops and nasal sprays) are similarly toxic to humans. Methylmercury and ethylmercury share common chemical properties, and both significantly disrupt central nervous system development and function. Thimerosal is extremely toxic at very low exposures and is more damaging than methylmercury in some studies. For example, ethylmercury is even more destructive to the mitochondria in cells than methylmercury. The ethylmercury in thimerosal does not leave the body quickly as the CDC once claimed, but is metabolized into highly neurotoxic forms. We all must make our own informed decisions which is hopefully based on relevant facts and observations and not on what we wish to believe, and in this case I understand that mercury is extremely harmful to our bodies and that some are more susceptible than others to mercury's toxicity. In this case I must give benefit of the doubt of the safety that the mouthpiece of the CDC speaks of. If you think the level of Thimerosal as a preservative in multidose vaccines is too high, it is your prerogative not to take them obviously. If given the choice I suppose I wouldn't either, but the levels are trace as that paper makes clear, like chlorine in tap water, which is also toxic. Not only that, exposure is very infrequent. I would be much more concerned about exposure during fetal development in the first trimester to other more pervasive environmental toxins. Likewise I would be more concerned about unmetabolized pharmaceutical components in tap water. Do you avoid not just tuna but swordfish and mackerel, arsenic in soil, skin care products with metals, or hair care products with fixatives, alcohol consumption, which increases risk of liver disease, colorectal, esophageal and other cancers? I'd start there. The reason parents blame vaccines for Autism is because of regression in development in their child. So they look at recent events, such as vaccination. But the issue is well studied and there is no established link between Autism and vaccination (or mercury for that matter), if only the explanation were that simple. www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X14006367?via%3DihubAutism itself is not one disorder but myriad disorders with similar symptoms but often completely different genetic causes. These would be inherited mutations or changes during sperm and egg production or fusion. Environmental factors like prematurity or infection during pregnancy, parental behavior and age and so on. Vaccines after birth? Doesn't appear to be much of a factor. That said, no vaccines or medicines are perfectly safe. Reye syndrome from Aspirin for example. On balance public health benefits from vaccination, and given the weight of evidence I don't think it's smart to expose children at large to measles or mumps, let alone more serious diseases like diphtheria, pertussis or polio, or pregnant women to rubella.
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Post by ragan on Feb 28, 2018 10:16:48 GMT -6
I realize that this is a pro audio forum, but for those that wish to believe that any kind of mercury, be it in thimerosal used to preserve vaccines or that which is found in fish that is eaten, this is not music to my ears. I'm sure many here remember the medical establishment's reversals on thalidomide, calomel tooth powder, x-rays during pregnancy, or lead exposure to children. In each of these cases, thousands of children were injured or killed before an entrenched medical establishment was finally willing to abandon treatments that were unquestionably causing great harm. Seeing first hand the damage done to children after receiving innoculations, from chronic skin rashes, autoimmune disease and autism...I have come to accept that although not everyone is severely and adversely affected due to their own body chemistry, all mercury, whatever kind, be it in tuna fish or as a preservative in vaccines is highly toxic contrary to what the public relations arm of the CDC publicly states. In point of fact, just recently a review previous research meta data by their own CDC researchers stated just the opposite. This is the study (which costs about $100 to download) link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/398_2016_1 5/10/16 "There are a number of mechanisms by which alkylmercury compounds cause toxic action in the body. Collectively, published studies reveal that there are some similarities between the mechanisms of the toxic action of the mono-alkyl mercury compounds methylmercury (MeHg) and ethylmercury (EtHg). This paper represents a summary of some of the studies regarding these mechanisms of action in order to facilitate the understanding of the many varied effects of alkylmercurials in the human body. The similarities in mechanisms of toxicity for MeHg and EtHg are presented and compared. The difference in manifested toxicity of MeHg and EtHg are likely the result of the differences in exposure, metabolism, and elimination from the body, rather than differences in mechanisms of action between the two". Methylmercury, the highly-regulated neurotoxin found in fish, and ethylmercury (found in medical products, including influenza and tetanus vaccines, ear drops and nasal sprays) are similarly toxic to humans. Methylmercury and ethylmercury share common chemical properties, and both significantly disrupt central nervous system development and function. Thimerosal is extremely toxic at very low exposures and is more damaging than methylmercury in some studies. For example, ethylmercury is even more destructive to the mitochondria in cells than methylmercury. The ethylmercury in thimerosal does not leave the body quickly as the CDC once claimed, but is metabolized into highly neurotoxic forms. We all must make our own informed decisions which is hopefully based on relevant facts and observations and not on what we wish to believe, and in this case I understand that mercury is extremely harmful to our bodies and that some are more susceptible than others to mercury's toxicity. In this case I must give benefit of the doubt of the safety that the mouthpiece of the CDC speaks of. If you think the level of Thimerosal as a preservative in multidose vaccines is too high, it is your prerogative not to take them obviously. If given the choice I suppose I wouldn't either, but the levels are trace as that paper makes clear, like chlorine in tap water, which is also toxic. Not only that, exposure is very infrequent. I would be much more concerned about exposure during fetal development in the first trimester to other more pervasive environmental toxins. Likewise I would be more concerned about unmetabolized pharmaceutical components in tap water. Do you avoid not just tuna but swordfish and mackerel, arsenic in soil, skin care products with metals, or hair care products with fixatives, alcohol consumption, which increases risk of liver disease, colorectal, esophageal and other cancers? I'd start there. The reason parents blame vaccines for Autism is because of regression in development in their child. So they look at recent events, such as vaccination. But the issue is well studied and there is no established link between Autism and vaccination (or mercury for that matter), if only the explanation were that simple. www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X14006367?via%3DihubAutism itself is not one disorder but myriad disorders with similar symptoms but often completely different genetic causes. These would be inherited mutations or changes during sperm and egg production or fusion. Environmental factors like prematurity or infection during pregnancy, parental behavior and age and so on. Vaccines after birth? Doesn't appear to be much of a factor. That said, no vaccines or medicines are perfectly safe. Reye syndrome from Aspirin for example. On balance public health benefits from vaccination, and given the weight of evidence I don't think it's smart to expose children at large to measles or mumps, let alone more serious diseases like diphtheria, pertussis or polio, or pregnant women to rubella. Another reason some parents believe vaccines cause autism is because there has been a massively disingenuous campaign pushing it for years and years. It’s the false-equivalency, “teach the controversy” trope. My wife is a professor who teaches rhetoric and history of science. Her whole academic career has been studying these kinds of controversies and how the public and scientific communities respond to and are shaped by them. It’s wild stuff. From the Scopes trial to paleo diets to ‘scientific creationism’ (later rebranded as intelligent design), it’s an absolute jungle out there. People are fragile and eager for answers and in need of identity niches to cling to and there are ideological hucksters waiting with open arms to give them A Cause.
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Post by drbill on Feb 28, 2018 10:58:17 GMT -6
Do doctors really smoke more Camels?
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Post by ragan on Feb 28, 2018 11:22:57 GMT -6
Do doctors really smoke more Camels? I’ve only known one doc who smoked and he was a Marlboro man. There, DEBUNKED. I’m gonna publish my conclusive findings in a pretend medical journal, peer reviewed on Reddit and 4Chan.
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Post by LesC on Feb 28, 2018 11:33:51 GMT -6
Do doctors really smoke more Camels? I think doctors smoke more Pigs than Camels. drbill , did you get the old Zostavax vaccine or the new Shingrix vaccine for shingles? Shingrix is supposed to be almost twice as effective, but it's a two-dose vaccine I think, and you said you ask for single-dose vaccines. I'm just wondering which one caused you to be sick? @johnkenn, I'm glad you're feeling better!
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 28, 2018 11:42:41 GMT -6
Sorry I haven’t been around - I started feeling sick 8 days ago - and the flu has roooocked my world. 8 days of fever. Awesome. I’m getting better every day, man, this stuff is no joke. I’m now a week behind with work so I might be a little scarce. The full blown flu is no joke. I only had it once and remember thinking I didn't think it was possible to be that sick and live. My mouth and throat broke out in fever sores that caused an explosion of pain like I'd never experienced before every time I swallowed. My fever didn't go below 103.5 for 11 days. By the end, my brain was so cooked that I had to think hard about how to do even simple things like feeding the dogs. Glad you're on the mend. Good Lord...ok, mine wasn't THAT bad...
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Post by ericn on Feb 28, 2018 12:42:49 GMT -6
Do doctors really smoke more Camels? I had a brilliant surgeon who would take some breaks during long surgeries!
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Post by drbill on Feb 28, 2018 13:33:47 GMT -6
Do doctors really smoke more Camels? I think doctors smoke more Pigs than Camels. drbill , did you get the old Zostavax vaccine or the new Shingrix vaccine for shingles? Shingrix is supposed to be almost twice as effective, but it's a two-dose vaccine I think, and you said you ask for single-dose vaccines. I'm just wondering which one caused you to be sick? @johnkenn, I'm glad you're feeling better! I don't know the official "name" of the Shingles vaccine I received, but it's the brand new one with two doses. Doses administered 2-6 months apart. I know it's supposed to be 85+% effective - while the old one was only about 50% effective. I'm bummed now because I learned that it's really only effective for 4 years, and I'm not looking forward to my second dose, OR doing it all over again in 4-5 years.... My reaction to it was pretty much like getting the flu for a couple of days. I've never had any reaction to other vaccines. The doc's nurse said "oh, there's no side effects". BS. If you do on-line research you'll find there's plenty of flu like reactions. It's so new though that the reactions are not fully documented. I have mixed thoughts about it now, and as mentioned earlier, I'm NOT looking forward to the #2 dosage. From what I've been told, I'd be better off with 2 short cases of flu like symptoms than getting a full blow case of Shingles. I have a buddy that had an outbreak on his ballsak. LOL I guess I'd rather have the symptoms..... heh heh --- When I mentioned "single dose vaccines" - I was referring to flu vaccine dosages. Packaged in single syringe doses vs. the "all doses coming out of a larger container which they fill a syringe and give it to you". The larger container vaccines -- from what my wife tells me - she researched it out -- have more mercury in them for preservative reasons. The single syringe dosage has less mercury. Hey, I just do what I'm told. LOL
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Post by ericn on Feb 28, 2018 14:13:44 GMT -6
I think doctors smoke more Pigs than Camels. drbill , did you get the old Zostavax vaccine or the new Shingrix vaccine for shingles? Shingrix is supposed to be almost twice as effective, but it's a two-dose vaccine I think, and you said you ask for single-dose vaccines. I'm just wondering which one caused you to be sick? @johnkenn, I'm glad you're feeling better! I don't know the official "name" of the Shingles vaccine I received, but it's the brand new one with two doses. Doses administered 2-6 months apart. I know it's supposed to be 85+% effective - while the old one was only about 50% effective. I'm bummed now because I learned that it's really only effective for 4 years, and I'm not looking forward to my second dose, OR doing it all over again in 4-5 years.... My reaction to it was pretty much like getting the flu for a couple of days. I've never had any reaction to other vaccines. The doc's nurse said "oh, there's no side effects". BS. If you do on-line research you'll find there's plenty of flu like reactions. It's so new though that the reactions are not fully documented. I have mixed thoughts about it now, and as mentioned earlier, I'm NOT looking forward to the #2 dosage. From what I've been told, I'd be better off with 2 short cases of flu like symptoms than getting a full blow case of Shingles. I have a buddy that had an outbreak on his ballsak. LOL I guess I'd rather have the symptoms..... heh heh --- When I mentioned "single dose vaccines" - I was referring to flu vaccine dosages. Packaged in single syringe doses vs. the "all doses coming out of a larger container which they fill a syringe and give it to you". The larger container vaccines -- from what my wife tells me - she researched it out -- have more mercury in them for preservative reasons. The single syringe dosage has less mercury. Hey, I just do what I'm told. LOL Yeah I hear you! A big problem is all of the data is based on small sample groups and you don’t know real world numbers till it’s out there in the real world! There is lots of pressure from drug companies and many other groups to get these new vaccines to market. With my wife’s career in Cytology and at the time teaching with MD Anderson, she was prevy to a lot of the things surrounding the HPV vaccine and thought much of the original hype and promises, couple that with what I grew up learning growing up in hospital, working with researchers at the UW on many projects at FullCo and being pretty much a research project I listen to every medical related ad with mostly dissipountment and sceptisim ! Understand no Vaccine kills all variety and mutations of a virus and mutating is what virus do !
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Post by matt on Feb 28, 2018 15:49:43 GMT -6
drbill , did you get the old Zostavax vaccine or the new Shingrix vaccine for shingles? Shingrix is supposed to be almost twice as effective, but it's a two-dose vaccine From what I've been told, I'd be better off with 2 short cases of flu like symptoms than getting a full blow case of Shingles. Trust me, you don't want shingles. Depending on the severity, you can have permanent nerve damage/pain. My dad had it way back when, and he suffered for a long time. Like a year.
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Post by jtc111 on Feb 28, 2018 18:51:06 GMT -6
The full blown flu is no joke. I only had it once and remember thinking I didn't think it was possible to be that sick and live. My mouth and throat broke out in fever sores that caused an explosion of pain like I'd never experienced before every time I swallowed. My fever didn't go below 103.5 for 11 days. By the end, my brain was so cooked that I had to think hard about how to do even simple things like feeding the dogs. Glad you're on the mend. Good Lord...ok, mine wasn't THAT bad... I took myself to the emergency room three times that week begging for anything to ease the pain in my mouth and throat even a little bit. They finally gave me a scrip for Vicadin. It didn't get rid of the pain but it took the edge off some. That really was the worst two weeks of my life.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2018 19:11:32 GMT -6
Anti-vaxxers fixate on the Mercury in multi-dose vaccines, . I always request the single dose vaccine. Much less mercury. About 7-8 years ago, my neighbor directly across the street died from swine flu. A little bit of thimerisol is nothing compared to getting yourself dead.
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Post by wiz on Feb 28, 2018 20:19:02 GMT -6
From what I've been told, I'd be better off with 2 short cases of flu like symptoms than getting a full blow case of Shingles. Trust me, you don't want shingles. Depending on the severity, you can have permanent nerve damage/pain. My dad had it way back when, and he suffered for a long time. Like a year. My wife had it last year... it was horrible, and the poor thing had it on her face!!! right on her right eye... we were worried it would get into the eye!!! at least 6months it took, nerve pain, horrible pussy scabs... poor thing. All brought on by stress! Wiz
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Post by matt on Feb 28, 2018 20:53:06 GMT -6
Trust me, you don't want shingles. Depending on the severity, you can have permanent nerve damage/pain. My dad had it way back when, and he suffered for a long time. Like a year. My wife had it last year... it was horrible Yeah it's bad. IMO protection from shingles, and from any other of the well-known diseases on the it sucks to it's fatal hit list, is worth the minuscule risk posed by vaccination. By the way Peter, I just watched you live on Facebook a couple of hours ago. Good show! You sounded great and the audio/video quality was excellent.
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Post by ragan on Feb 28, 2018 22:10:24 GMT -6
I always request the single dose vaccine. Much less mercury. About 7-8 years ago, my neighbor directly across the street died from swine flu. A little bit of thimerisol is nothing compared to getting yourself dead. Also, it's not just yourself you're putting at risk. You, as a healthy person, may be fine. You may get a mild version of something or nothing at all. But vaccination only works, en masse, if lots of people do it. "Herd immunity". People who do the mental and moral gymnastics contortionism to make someone like Jenny McCarthy credible are putting everyone else's little kids at risk (as well as lots of other vulnerable populations). And kids do die from this shit. Look at the data on deaths from rubella and measles and stuff like that and see it spike as all this anti-vax bullshit became trendy. No end to the shame, in my opinion, that should be piled on to these charlatans. They've got blood on their hands.
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Post by wiz on Feb 28, 2018 23:19:54 GMT -6
My wife had it last year... it was horrible Yeah it's bad. IMO protection from shingles, and from any other of the well-known diseases on the it sucks to it's fatal hit list, is worth the minuscule risk posed by vaccination. By the way Peter, I just watched you live on Facebook a couple of hours ago. Good show! You sounded great and the audio/video quality was excellent. Thanks Matt! Gotta love the KM84! 8) cheers Wiz PS i got the shingles vaccination after Jo got it..
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Post by Ward on Mar 1, 2018 10:26:34 GMT -6
I hardly ever got the flu when I used to sample Marlboros.... discuss. (P.S. 3 years off cigarettes)
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Post by drsax on Mar 1, 2018 13:04:15 GMT -6
I don’t smoke Marlboros, but I woke up yesterday with the full blown flu, lol... I wonder if I caught it from this thread? 😂 Glad you’re feeling better Johnkenn. This stuff is no fun
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Post by chessparov on Mar 1, 2018 13:32:12 GMT -6
I think I caught "threaditus" too! (just kidding) But... I did get gradually sick this week, and had to find a sub for the chess classes I normally teach. First time in over 10 years! Better to avoid pneumonia though, as per the spirit of earlier posts here.
Appetite is down, not in the mood for any singing (I usually practice 2+ hours/6 days a week)-Can't wait to get better!
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 1, 2018 14:56:01 GMT -6
I don’t smoke Marlboros, but I woke up yesterday with the full blown flu, lol... I wonder if I caught it from this thread? 😂 Glad you’re feeling better Johnkenn. This stuff is no fun Oh man...so sorry to hear. It has now been 11 days and I'm still not normal. Was dealing with it in my chest, and now it feels like it's moving into my throat.
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Post by ericn on Mar 1, 2018 15:57:43 GMT -6
I don’t smoke Marlboros, but I woke up yesterday with the full blown flu, lol... I wonder if I caught it from this thread? 😂 Glad you’re feeling better Johnkenn. This stuff is no fun Oh man...so sorry to hear. It has now been 11 days and I'm still not normal. Was dealing with it in my chest, and now it feels like it's moving into my throat. You staying hydrated? First step in recovery is hydration.
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Post by chessparov on Mar 1, 2018 19:25:02 GMT -6
Yep, seems like I had the equivalent of 10+ glasses of water. If you have a sore throat (old opera trick), eat a "green" apple-like a Granny Smith, effectively there's a timed hydration. Learned that one from Dr. Pelayo, who AFAIK turned 100, on the 19th of February! Chris
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