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Post by c0rtland on Jan 28, 2018 22:20:19 GMT -6
Tonelux clones the classic mics from Sony.
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Post by chessparov on Jan 28, 2018 22:48:57 GMT -6
On my A-list, after singing through them yesterday at NAMM. Tube version sounded a bit better for me. I could tell, however, for other singers/sources the FET version would be way cool too! BTW the power supply is for 2 microphones, so you can get one mic now & the other later
for a matched pair. Classic stuff! Chris
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Post by ericn on Jan 28, 2018 22:56:21 GMT -6
What are the prices? Who's building the Capsule?
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Post by c0rtland on Jan 28, 2018 23:02:57 GMT -6
What are the prices? Who's building the Capsule? No info on capsule. In video he states ss 1500 and tube 2500. |
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Post by chessparov on Jan 28, 2018 23:06:54 GMT -6
Around $2500 tube, around $1500 FET. I know Joe Chicarelli, was involved with their development. Sorry I didn't think to ask Brent, about the
capsule build. I was excited just to see them there! Chris
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Post by aremos on Jan 29, 2018 0:28:58 GMT -6
What are the prices? Who's building the Capsule? Yes, what capsule? Now they're cloning Sony 37's? The Josephson 715 capsule is based on it. And if you want it with a tube it's in the new Manley Ref Silver. Would be interesting to A/B these. |
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Post by ericn on Jan 29, 2018 7:43:57 GMT -6
The tube price isn't bad, the parts are supposedly interchangeable with the old ones but the FET has to street under $1K to compete with Used FET38's and 37's!
It all comes down to the Capsule and in this case we have to excellent references, the real thing and as Aremose pointed out the Josephson.
I am a huge Sony Mic fan, but this is PMI so I'm not quite giddy over this. I know Joe's a huge Sony 37A fan, but sometimes a mic tuned to one famous guy's ears zero's in on what he wants and misses the mark for everyone else.
Still I'll probably buy a FET or 2 and Tube and some point knowing I can do exactly what I would do with an old one if it wasn't up to snuff, send it to Shannon and have him do what he do!
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jan 29, 2018 9:07:32 GMT -6
Video was painful to watch (how does management decide that they guy should be doing the marketing), but I'm interested because I'm a huge Tonelux fan. Interesting that they're releasing a clone mic under this brand and not Studio Projects (their mainly mic line). It seems like this dude designed the SP stuff too, but I guess they wanted to put a premium price on rather than SP pricing. I'm really glad that they're at least doing something unique to the market and not just another clone that's been done 1000x. ericn, can you comment on the characteristics of the old Sony? I've never used one and don't see much talk about them. |
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Post by ericn on Jan 29, 2018 9:31:30 GMT -6
Video was painful to watch (how does management decide that they guy should be doing the marketing), but I'm interested because I'm a huge Tonelux fan. Interesting that they're releasing a clone mic under this brand and not Studio Projects (their mainly mic line). It seems like this dude designed the SP stuff too, but I guess they wanted to put a premium price on rather than SP pricing. I'm really glad that they're at least doing something unique to the market and not just another clone that's been done 1000x. ericn, can you comment on the characteristics of the old Sony? I've never used one and don't see much talk about them. First, when the first Sony's hit the US and Europe they were sort of looked down upon, kind of like the early days of the AT4060. They are in no way Neumann or AKG clones, the highend is very different and they don't have near the body or 3D nature of a mic with a great M7. The 37A tube works great on a Crooner, Frank Sinatra used them at times without compliant! The 37 FET/38 is a great and often overlooked vocal mic, think 87 but good ones don't have the nasal thing many hate about 87's the mechanical rather than electronic pattern selector confuses many and is the thing I have found to need repair other than damaged Capsules! 48 is very much a 87 like mic, but I find it a much better one mic fits all. With Neve, API Demeter I find it sits in a mix a little more than a 87 which seams to cut through a little more. Jesse knowing how you love to buy and try at some point if you find any of the "C" series Sony give them a try, not "ECM" The ECM Capsules lose output as they age! |
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Post by jeremygillespie on Jan 29, 2018 10:54:35 GMT -6
The C37's we have are such a different beast and way off the mark from the "Classic" mics. They have a very up front and "in your face" sound to me. If it works on a vocal it REALLY works and is kick ass. If it doesn't work, you'll know in about 5 seconds. Ever since I saw a pic of Dave Rawlings using one on his guitar in the studio I started trying them in that application and they are fantastic for that. Great drum room mics, and can be great as a snare mic as well.
The capsules on these things always seem to be perforated unfortunately. One of ours is good and one is bad. We have them marked - and if you use the perforated one on vocals, the moisture from your breath eventually gets in there and shorts out of capsule. I'd be wary of buying a used one if you weren't able to test it out before hand.
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Post by chessparov on Jan 29, 2018 11:44:02 GMT -6
C37a was reputed to be Frank's favorite studio vocal microphone. I'm very bright toned male vocalist, so the tube version sounded better on me.
+1 on also Eric's "crooner comment"-I'm one too!
I could definitely see a commercial studio getting both types, to cover more vocal bases (no pun intended!). I have a fussy ear, but they both sounded top notch! I sang through the Manley Silver too, it sounded beautiful also, but I thought it was more a "inspired by the C37" sort of vibe.
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Post by adamjbrass on Jan 29, 2018 13:22:53 GMT -6
the sony c37a has an amazing sound. Warm, Sweet bright but not harsh. On vocals, its soft, but clear. Kinda gets rid of harshies
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Post by ericn on Jan 29, 2018 18:14:14 GMT -6
C37a was reputed to be Frank's favorite studio vocal microphone. I'm very bright toned male vocalist, so the tube version sounded better on me. +1 on also Eric's "crooner comment"-I'm one too! I could definitely see a commercial studio getting both types, to cover more vocal bases (no pun intended!). I have a fussy ear, but they both sounded top notch! I sang through the Manley Silver too, it sounded beautiful also, but I thought it was more a "inspired by the C37" sort of vibe. Chris OK I am not trying to troll you on this one but a couple of things. Over the years the old hands at Capital,United Chicago & LA have all pretty much said Frank didn't care about gear or mics, that was up to the engineer and if you got it right you were golden. The whole" C37 was Frank Sinatra's favorite mic " internet lore traces back to a guy who was trying to sell one or more lowly ECM 347 LDC's, that he ( and others after) have called C47''s ! I have even seen pics of one where somebody carefully scratched out the ECM, buffed it and applied a new C! So take that claim with a grain of salt! The guy I traced it back to claims he was an innocent, ignorant but I'm not so sure! I will say I would never buy anything from him! Welcome to RGO hope you enjoy our little corner of the net! |
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Post by chessparov on Jan 29, 2018 23:21:56 GMT -6
Wow Eric, thanks for "setting me straight"! Grasshopper here... Appreciates both your welcome, and the audio wisdom of this board's members-including yourself. BTW my Mom dated Frank 5 or 6 times, after his divorce from Ava was finalized. Nothing "serious" ever developed, partly because he was still so broken up over Ava. But my Mom thought the world of him and always said he was a total gentleman towards her. I never got to meet him, but when I was around 5 years old, we used to met Vic Damone for lunch a couple of times, at Farmer's Market (L.A.).  Chris |
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Post by ericn on Jan 30, 2018 2:26:04 GMT -6
Wow Eric, thanks for "setting me straight"! Grasshopper here... Appreciates both your welcome, and the audio wisdom of this board's members-including yourself. BTW my Mom dated Frank 5 or 6 times, after his divorce from Ava was finalized. Nothing "serious" ever developed, partly because he was still so broken up over Ava. But my Mom thought the world of him and always said he was a total gentleman towards her. I never got to meet him, but when I was around 5 years old, we used to met Vic Damone for lunch a couple of times, at Farmer's Market (L.A.). Chris Chris very cool Story, The funny thing about the whole Sony C47 thing is I spent 6 months trying to find anything I could about this "mythical Sony"! I was trying to contact any of the old guys from Sony Broadcast, was using google translator with old Sony guys in Japan, till I locked carefully at the guys pictures and realized it was an ECM! Now Sony ECM series are not bad, it's just like anybody who's tried any 25 + years old Sony ECM I have seen them slowly get quiter, and quieter & this guy is trying to make it out to be the greatest thing since the U47! Check out the C500 and C55 for some Sony Strangeness! |
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Post by chessparov on Jan 30, 2018 10:39:15 GMT -6
The Sony C500...Holy pool skimmer Batman! The Sony C55 looks pretty cool too. Thanks, Chris
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Post by paulcheeba on Feb 2, 2018 4:07:45 GMT -6
Strange move for a dead brand. Even stranger salesman. PMI must be on crack. Tonelux was wonderful in it's original format.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Feb 2, 2018 5:41:15 GMT -6
Strange move for a dead brand. Even stranger salesman. PMI must be on crack. Tonelux was wonderful in it's original format. They must have hired an outside group to handle the marketing for Trident. Trident has strong branding and a good social media presence. None of the other PMI brands have anything close to that. It's a shame. If more people tried the Tonelux stuff, I think they would dig it. |
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Post by chessparov on Feb 2, 2018 15:27:56 GMT -6
Brent Casey is actually a very nice, and very bright guy, if ever you meet him. Chris
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Post by mals on Feb 14, 2018 7:54:14 GMT -6
Chris very cool Story, The funny thing about the whole Sony C47 thing is I spent 6 months trying to find anything I could about this "mythical Sony"! I was trying to contact any of the old guys from Sony Broadcast, was using google translator with old Sony guys in Japan, till I locked carefully at the guys pictures and realized it was an ECM! Now Sony ECM series are not bad, it's just like anybody who's tried any 25 + years old Sony ECM I have seen them slowly get quiter, and quieter & this guy is trying to make it out to be the greatest thing since the U47! Check out the C500 and C55 for some Sony Strangeness! I am looking for more info about Tonelux JC37 & VC37 microphones and found this post. Sorry, but Sony C-47 is real microphone, not the same as Sony ECM56A or ECM56F (such are exist too). You can see photos here flic.kr/s/aHskVEcFJband Sony service manual for it here: www.mediafire.com/?rnvnc9qjtto3msmSony C-47 is very interesting, uniqua microphone. And very rare. PS. Sorry for my bad English. |
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Post by Ward on Feb 14, 2018 10:55:10 GMT -6
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Post by c0rtland on Feb 14, 2018 11:19:51 GMT -6
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Post by Ward on Feb 14, 2018 12:53:48 GMT -6
Wow Eric, thanks for "setting me straight"! Grasshopper here... Appreciates both your welcome, and the audio wisdom of this board's members-including yourself. BTW my Mom dated Frank 5 or 6 times, after his divorce from Ava was finalized. Nothing "serious" ever developed, partly because he was still so broken up over Ava. But my Mom thought the world of him and always said he was a total gentleman towards her. I never got to meet him, but when I was around 5 years old, we used to met Vic Damone for lunch a couple of times, at Farmer's Market (L.A.). Chris So Frank was your father? |
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Post by chessparov on Feb 14, 2018 13:07:11 GMT -6
No-Thats what I meant by "nothing serious". Frank was divorced from Ava on July 5, 1957. My Dad was "later", I was born in 1959. Chris |
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Post by Ward on Feb 14, 2018 13:40:57 GMT -6
No-Thats what I meant by "nothing serious". Frank was divorced from Ava on July 5, 1957. My Dad was "later", I was born in 1959. Chris Sure... let's go with that. But we haven't heard you sing yet. That'll tell the tale.  |
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