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Post by nico on Jan 17, 2018 9:56:55 GMT -6
Hi guys (haven't been here for a while, good to be back!) - good suggestion regarding the Nohype LRM series. I own an AEA R84, a pair of Coles 4038, a pair of Nohype LRM-1 (stock trafo) and a pair of Nohype LRM-2 (Lundahl trafo), and have used a R-121 regularly. All of them have that smooth ribbon dark sound, with quite a few differences though in frequency pickup or voicing. Coles are the darkest, also most extended bottom. AEA R84 has more detail in upper mid, less big bottom. Royer has the most detail in upper mid, almost like a small bump, which is why it works so great on electric guitars, very upfront - and a more polite low end (didn't check, but hpf? works great for horns, violins) Nohype LRM-1 with stock trafo is between the Coles and the AEA, extended lows, but not as much as Coles, and more upper detail than Coles but slightly less than the AEA R84. The LRM-2 with Lundahl trafo is in between the AEA and R121, it doesn't have that pronounced upper mid of the Royer, but flatter top end thanks to the Lundahls, bit more air if you will than any of the others. My LRM-1 and LRM-2s have been used on 2 major label releases, and quite a few nice European jazz bands as well, most people don't believe they are entry level mics when they hear them the first time. I used them on Overheads (they work brilliantly in that role, horizontal Blumlein above the drummer's kick pedal at approx 180-210cm high) and rooms mostly (Blumlein room as well, vertical setup about 150cm high), then on jazz guitar amps, double bass, horns, strings, piano. The Coles, AEA and Royer are more forgiving wrt placement : it's very hard to make them sound bad wherever they are placed. The Nohypes can sound fabulous but demand a bit more placement work or eq to get the sound right I found (except for Room, Overheads and JazzGuit Amps : works great) But hey for 20% of the price of bigger brands, it is a great deal, and JP from NoHype is a breeze to deal with.....and they are Belgian made (which is my beloved country....well accordingly to a mighty orangutan, a hellhole, but people seem to like it here nonetheless I'd love to hear those R10's in person! Best Nico
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Post by Mister Chase on Jan 18, 2018 22:23:01 GMT -6
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Post by jeromemason on Jan 18, 2018 22:57:22 GMT -6
I'll reach out to see if I can get an R-10, R-121 and R-101 from John and try to do a shootout for you fellas. Bob Britt is a couple of houses down from me and I'm sure he'd be up for slapping the axe, plus he's got a plethora of bad ass guitars and amps. If I can make it happen I'll surely do it!
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Post by jampa on Jan 18, 2018 23:12:28 GMT -6
Nice one JM, that'd be amazing if possible
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Post by indiehouse on Jan 19, 2018 6:05:58 GMT -6
Anyone ever hear a Sandhill Audio ribbon?
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Post by c0rtland on Jan 20, 2018 18:58:48 GMT -6
I must say I used the stager sr1a on acoustic guitar today. Killer. The mid range and the low end are amazing. Also the transient response is very powerful. Reminds me of the redd and the Samar transient response. Very articulate and pronounced. Powerful. Slightly dark. Not dark like 4038 but not as bright as the Samar. I think I just thought it would be killer on the drums and it very well could still be that for me. I need more time with them there. But damn. Acoustics have been stellar today with that beast. Excellent.
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Post by forgotteng on Jan 21, 2018 21:47:41 GMT -6
I have said it before on other posts but I am really enjoying using and learning my Rode NTR's. I got them to replace a pair of R-101's I also have a cascade fathead II, an apex 405, and a nady that never gets used. I came close to picking up the R-10 and still might some day.
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Post by Tbone81 on Jan 21, 2018 22:01:19 GMT -6
I have said it before on other posts but I am really enjoying using and learning my Rode NTR's. I got them to replace a pair of R-101's I also have a cascade fathead II, an apex 405, and a nady that never gets used. I came close to picking up the R-10 and still might some day. How would all of those mics compare with your fatheads? I ask because I have fatheads and considered buying almost every mic you just mentioned. Thanks.
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Post by Quint on May 10, 2018 17:59:05 GMT -6
I may be buying a Stager SR-2n here pretty soon. I'm kicking around using it as the mid mic facing toward the drum kit and using a fig 8 LDC as the side mic.
What do y'all think about that combo on drums?
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Post by Tbone81 on May 10, 2018 18:08:33 GMT -6
That could be an interesting combo, worth trying. I generally like pairs of ribbons in blumlein as room mics. I demoed the Sr2n, with a couple other mics, a little while ago. I liked it but had to return it because I could only afford to keep one mic. I'm saving to buy it again, and might in the next few weeks. It definitely has a sound of its own.
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Post by Quint on May 10, 2018 18:14:14 GMT -6
That could be an interesting combo, worth trying. I generally like pairs of ribbons in blumlein as room mics. I demoed the Sr2n, with a couple other mics, a little while ago. I liked it but had to return it because I could only afford to keep one mic. I'm saving to buy it again, and might in the next few weeks. It definitely has a sound of its own. I'm more so looking at using this in place of traditional overheads. So it would be a lot closer to the kit than typical room mics.
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Post by adamjbrass on May 11, 2018 8:14:02 GMT -6
I have a Model2 passive and its fantastic! Super hi-fi, less junk in the middle than other ribbons. Extended top end detail without sounding bright. It has air but not soo much air. The bottom is way deep and full. I dig it a lot for e.gtr and backup vocals
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Post by schmalzy on May 14, 2018 12:04:01 GMT -6
For me blumlein v ms is more about room quality. Blumlein picks up too much room to work in bad sounding rooms whereas m/s will still work. One thing worth considering with the M/S vs Blumlein thing: In M/S - especially with ribbons (they always seem to have a tighter figure-8 pattern to me) - you kind of have a direct mic and a room mic. If your positioning in your room is super wonky than your side mic can sound super wonky. For example: one of the best sounding spots in my space (a fairly small 20' x 14' one-room studio) for drums is a spot that has a wall 7 feet away to one side and an open door to a larger, rather reflective area on the other side (I often put gobos on both sides to try to minimize their differences and balance the stereo image). M/S in that situation gives me a super odd stereo image. It's mostly either too narrow or two lopsided (depending on how much side mic I use). Blumlein gives me something much less off-kilter because the mics are looking much more directly at the drums and that reflection off the near wall and the reflection from the hall are getting into both sides of stereo image (one mic is pointed in the direction the wall but gets the reflection from the hall in the back of the mic and the other mic is pointed in the direction of the hall but gets the wall in the back of the mic). M/S as a drum room setup is great, though. I use it a lot. M/S on acoustic guitars is super helpful because that side mic can be brought up and down to change its size and place in the mix. M/S on a choir/group vocal is great (especially if you can use a wide cardioid for the mid mic). In fact, I'm rejiggering some lighting, some acoustic treatment, and some wiring to accommodate M/S usage in my room more. I really think it's a huge component to the way I hear drums. A low M/S ribbon setup a few feet in front of a kit just gives me something resembling how I want to hear the drums. The side mic can get the highs, air, and stereo image and that mid can get that low thump of the shells (that I kind of what to be fairly centered anyway). I dig it.
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Post by the other mark williams on May 15, 2018 20:46:09 GMT -6
I'll reach out to see if I can get an R-10, R-121 and R-101 from John and try to do a shootout for you fellas. Bob Britt is a couple of houses down from me and I'm sure he'd be up for slapping the axe, plus he's got a plethora of bad ass guitars and amps. If I can make it happen I'll surely do it! jeromemason I'm wondering if you ever got this to happen. The only shootout I've seen between the R-10 and the R-121 is the one that Vintage King did. In that video, I much preferred the 121. Far more than I expected to, to be honest. In their clips, the R-10 sounded a little harsh on the top end to my ear, which surprised me. I'm curious to hear about your experiences in using it.
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Post by Bender on Aug 12, 2019 15:18:20 GMT -6
Just checking in with ya'll, I've had fatheads for a long time but have decided it's time to sell them and invest in something of higher quality......so I've been looking at the stagers, any owners wanna chip in their 2 cents over what they love em on most?
I'd primarily be using them as blumlein pair as room mic's / on drums, maybe the occasional guitar track....so I guess I'm leaning towards a pair of sr-2n's...but those big boy ones sure as hell look awesome! I see they have a stereo option too and as convenient as that may be I think I'd like the additional flexibility of owning a pair.
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Post by stormymondays on Aug 12, 2019 16:48:15 GMT -6
Room mic, hell yeah! Front of kit. Kick out. Mono overhead. Guitar amps. Didn’t love them on mandolin.
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Post by jamiesego on Aug 13, 2019 8:13:25 GMT -6
We had Stager in last year for a demo and I thought the mics sounded great on every source but I really like them on drums in particular. They really sound “thick” and “fat” without being muddy in my opinion.
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Post by Omicron9 on Aug 13, 2019 8:37:07 GMT -6
Greetings.
I'll recommend this since it's yet to be mentioned. Mesanovic ribbons. I have the stereo version and freakin' love it. It is closer to a condensor in both freq resp and transient resp, but a rich, smooth, extended bottom end for days. I A/B'ed it with the Royer SF-12, and preferred the Mesanovic just for the bottom end. Much larger, but not at all muddy. Highly recommended if you seek a modern ribbon.
Regards, -09
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Post by sean on Aug 13, 2019 8:40:43 GMT -6
Shameless promotion but I have a like new Groove Tube Velo-8 for sale for $300. Original box, brand new extra ribbon element...got it with a bundle of stuff. Just passing on a great deal to pay for a vacation with the wife (first one that’s not tied to work in 6 years!)
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Post by jampa on Aug 13, 2019 19:50:10 GMT -6
We had Stager in last year for a demo and I thought the mics sounded great on every source but I really like them on drums in particular. They really sound “thick” and “fat” without being muddy in my opinion. Do you work there!?
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Post by Tbone81 on Aug 13, 2019 21:15:09 GMT -6
So after comparing the Stager sr2n to a few other mics I ended up keeping a Shiny Box MXC. I'm really, really loving how it sounds on Vocals and acoustics too. Is a dark, elegant sound. I'd still like to get an AES r88 or pair of Nuvo N8's for drum rooms, but right now my ribbon lust has been satisfied. You guys got to check out Shiny Box if you haven't already.
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Post by jamiesego on Aug 13, 2019 21:51:05 GMT -6
We had Stager in last year for a demo and I thought the mics sounded great on every source but I really like them on drums in particular. They really sound “thick” and “fat” without being muddy in my opinion. Do you work there!? I do. It’s a great room.
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Post by jampa on Aug 13, 2019 22:31:34 GMT -6
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Aug 14, 2019 21:05:25 GMT -6
Hesitated clouding the discussion, but decided to add that I have a pair of the Russian ribbons that pop up now and then elsewhere. They're fantastic. That said, I don't own any other ribbons, so FWIW. Really great on guitar cabs for my usage though.
It's been three or four years since I bought them, but they were about $270 at the time for a matched pair. Only record I have is the following contact info.
Worth looking into if he's still making them:
Игорь Бурдуков <burd-ig@yandex.ru>
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Post by lpedrum on Aug 14, 2019 21:52:29 GMT -6
NoHype Audio seems to make really nice ribbon mics for low money. Here's a shoot out with a Coles. I'm not sure why they choose the Coles to compare it to because NoHype is striving for the RCA sound. Fun listening nonetheless and the NoHype holds its own--but of course it makes me want to own a Coles even more.
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