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Post by matt@IAA on Dec 20, 2017 15:55:06 GMT -6
Ctone that is a solid post.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Dec 20, 2017 16:30:56 GMT -6
Very interesting post Ctone!
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Post by rowmat on Dec 20, 2017 16:39:03 GMT -6
How money is created is a headf$ck for many.
Money is LOANED into existence. That means every dollar ever created is debt. In other words every dollar made is owed by someone to someone else and, ultimately, the banksters who created it.
Increasing the money supply is achieved by creating more debt. Now when you also add interest on top of this debt you now require additional money that doesn't theoretically exist in order to repay the interest.
Those that benefit the most are always at the start of the money chain (the banksters) and the losers are those who wind up at the end of the debt line such as forclosed home owners.
Inflation refers to an expanding money supply not actually rising prices. Increasing prices are a symptom of increasing the amount of money within the system without a proportional increase in associated business activity to keep it in check.
If the money supply is increased without a proportional increase in goods and services then the value of the money is diluted.
Generally the cost of things don't increase in real terms. The value of the money itself decreases thus requiring more of it to purchase anything.
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Post by swurveman on Dec 20, 2017 19:58:07 GMT -6
Why don't you translate that for me. I am just kind of amazed that you think this way. Trying to follow your logic... it seems to be that here are people who need help, but in general people won't help them on their own, so the government has to do it by taking their money to give to other people. This is just kind of shocking to me. It's either a zero sum game (i.e., money that would have been donated to charity instead goes to government... some portion goes to benefits, some goes to pork, some goes to military and so on) OR you're forcing people to give more than they would on their own, which doesn't really seem... great? I guess? Forced virtue isn't all that virtuous. Your position seems to be that people suck and have to be forced to do good by the government. But the people elect the government? So I don't really understand. It's fascinating. Besides, federal revenues have zero, nothing, nada to do with the amount of child welfare spending in Indiana. No one, literally no one, is planning to cut spending because of this. And let's all be real honest, federal spending (discretionary + mandatory) is around 70% based on entitlement spending (SS+Medicare/Medicaid alone are about 53% of spending) and military at about 16%. None of which is going to change one iota, so the discussion about the deficit is pretty much moot. It's shocking to you that taxation has been used during the 20th Century and in the 21st to help those less fortunate? I don't know what to say. It's fact. And no, it's not a zero sum game that money that would have gone to charity goes to government. People simply don't give and raise money to charity at the levels that government can. Poverty, child abuse, malnutrition, homelessness, opioid addiction, health crises' with no insurance etc. is a national phenomenon. There's no way this can be handled in 50 states on an individual charity basis. And show me where I said people need to be forced by the government to do good. You made that up. There are just some things that government does better and has for a long time. Now, with the growing oligarchy and their political Libertarian influence, all of that is at peril. And of course federal revenues have something to do with child welfare. Have you heard of CHIP? Almost 9 million children have health benefits with help from the federal CHIP program. However, all of the states are getting ahead of the limited federal revenues to come by cutting state budgets. Read the resignation letter of the DCS Director in Indiana. Where's Indiana cutting spending? At the Department of Children's Services. CHIP will be renewed, but states are cutting resources for child health due to overall federal money shortfalls that will be the result of less overall federal revenues going to states. Our government can print only so much money and handle so much debt. The bill is coming due and the poor, elderly and children are going to pay it. I've watched our country go from a fair economy with wealth widely dispersed to an Oligarchy based economy with growing homelessness, joblessness, lack of healthcare and little security. There are people everywhere begging on the streets. This is all the result of an insidious Libertarian thought process that is being enacted in the hall of congress in a nation whose political structure is dependant on wealthy benefactors. The quid pro quo of this arrangement is making the oligarchy even stronger.
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Post by matt@IAA on Dec 20, 2017 20:18:53 GMT -6
Ok man, I honestly just can’t even see your side here. Guess we just think about these things different in Texas. We take care of our neighbors, instead of begging congress so some Washington bureaucrat can get money from California or Indiana and us, only to send it back down here after deducting their salary out of it.
No worries, I think everyone generally wants the same things. Just don’t agree with how to do it.
Can’t understand how you think the government is evil oligarchs and still want to send them even more money.
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Post by yotonic on Dec 20, 2017 20:41:06 GMT -6
If you know or have any friends or acquaintances who are serious politicians then you KNOW that the majority of them are there for the celebrity, fame and stature. I know quite a few and none of them are there to lead a life of service. If you want to serve your fellow man or your country there are REAL ways to do that. Getting elected takes big money, expensive dinners, private planes it's a real power trip and more glamorous than a beauty pageant. A lot of the men I know in it are self serving douche bags who talk a good game but would NEVER EVER, EVER be a teacher, an aide worker, counselor or anything that selfless and demanding. This is a fact. I don't care if you are for Trump or Obama if you can't come to accept this basic reality you are delusional and not living an informed life. Which is more common than one would think in America. These same D-Bags from high school and college are now making deeply important decisions for your country. Most of them never listened to regular people in school and they certainly aren't listening to them now.
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Post by matt@IAA on Dec 20, 2017 21:35:05 GMT -6
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Post by johneppstein on Dec 20, 2017 22:47:16 GMT -6
Just about everyone from both 'sides' of US politics will benefit from the tax package as most have some kinds of property investment portfolios. Totally untrue. I don't know where you get this nonsense. (Well, actually I do,. but it's a total lie.) I don't have any "property investment portfolio". Neither do any of the local musicians I know in the Bay Area, or the majority of small businessmen,. or anybody in any of the service industries (who make up the builk of the woirkers in the SF area, or any of the schoolteachers (of whom I know several), or most of the construction workers, truck drivers or non- upper management workers in ther Bay Area tech sector. They ALL rent. In fact, do you know who owns most of the property in urban California? Foreign investors from China, Russia, and the Middle East, specifically Saudi Arabia, that's who. And it's the same situation in the New York City real estate market and pretty much every other expanding urban real estate market in the country. And they're all jacking up the rents as high as they canm get them. Rents in SF on bob-rernt controlled properties haver been doubling and tripling as tenants are forced out. I was forced to leave my home and studio in SF when my rent was summarily tripled in January 2016. Do you know what the the #! cause of major studio closings is in major US cities? In case you haven't been paying attention it's usorious rent increases by major real estate speculators, the majority of whom are either either members of the US mega-rich or or foreign "investors". Do you know what the primary conduit for money laundering by the Russian Mob is? US Real estate, that's what. And guess who is a major player? Yes, that person who was legally supposed to divest himself of all such investment as a condition of taking office. And who didn't obey the law. Where do think the Russian investigation is going, anyway? The are two ob jectives - the lesser one is an investigation of treasonous activity. The other, and larger one is money laundering by the Russian Mob employing US real estate investment as the primary conduit. Are you aware that those clauses that do provide a modest benefit to middle class US investors are written so as be reduced significaqntly within 2 years and to be completely eliminated within 10? While the tax benefits to to the mega-rich DO NOT EXPIRE? No? Perhaps you should familiarize yourself whth the actual contents of the legislation you support before committing yourself, lest you receive a really nasty and unexpected bite on the ass when the chickens come home to roost? The 3 richest members of Congress all voted against the tax bill, one going on TV and calling it totally immoral and stating that the way it was rammed through is contrary to every standard of submitting and approving legislation. Which is absolutely true. Not all politicians are totally corrupt. I hav e been against the Feinstein-Pelosi "Republican Lite" cabal of real estate developer backed politicians since Di-Fi seized the office of SF Mayor in the wake of the assassination of Moscone. The only difference between them and Trump is that they pay lip service to "liberal-ish" positions and throw the occasional well-gnawed bone to to the middle and working classes - as long as it doesn't get in the way of their own ambitions. And I suspect that some of those positions, specifically gun control, are actually 5th column activity to ensure that the Democrats don't carry national elections. I dunno some people just have all the luck when it comes to investing especially when the decisions they make push up the stock prices of their own portfolios.VBery Trump-ian, aint it?
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Post by johneppstein on Dec 20, 2017 22:55:28 GMT -6
How money is created is a headf$ck for many. Money is LOANED into existence. That means every dollar ever created is debt. In other words every dollar made is owed by someone to someone else and, ultimately, the banksters who created it. Increasing the money supply is achieved by creating more debt. Now when you also add interest on top of this debt you now require additional money that doesn't theoretically exist in order to repay the interest. Those that benefit the most are always at the start of the money chain (the banksters) and the losers are those who wind up at the end of the debt line such as forclosed home owners. Inflation refers to an expanding money supply not actually rising prices. Increasing prices are a symptom of increasing the amount of money within the system without a proportional increase in associated business activity to keep it in check. If the money supply is increased without a proportional increase in goods and services then the value of the money is diluted. Generally the cost of things don't increase in real terms. The value of the money itself decreases thus requiring more of it to purchase anything. By that way of thinking Bernie Madoff should have been made president instead going to prison. That's not "creation of money" It's not "creation of wealth". What it is is a giant Ponzi scheme and Ponzi schemes ALWAYS collapse. It's inevitable. And when this one collapses it will be an utter distaster that will make the Great Depression look like a minor hiccup.
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Post by johneppstein on Dec 20, 2017 23:11:00 GMT -6
Ok man, I honestly just can’t even see your side here. Guess we just think about these things different in Texas. We take care of our neighbors, instead of begging congress so some Washington bureaucrat can get money from California or Indiana and us, only to send it back down here after deducting their salary out of it. No worries, I think everyone generally wants the same things. Just don’t agree with how to do it. Can’t understand how you think the government is evil oligarchs and still want to send them even more money. Really? You actually believe that? Let me clue you in - "government" is made of people . And nobody wants to give money to the evil oligarchs - as proven today they can steal it just fine, all by themselves. What we need is to kick out and jail the thieves who have just stolen our economy and crookedly deprived millions of people of their health care, many of them children and the elderly and replace them with consciencious responsible people of good character who will represent the interesats of those whop elected them.
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Post by johneppstein on Dec 20, 2017 23:20:22 GMT -6
What is actually behind the repeal of net neutrality is a clever and sneaky scheme to facilitate the replacement of fair and impartial reporting of news with propaganda under the control of the tech oligarchs.
I really hope I'm wrong about this, but I believe that it's likely that this week we have seen the death of the the United States as we have always known it and the beginning of its replacement by a one party Russian style kleptomaniacal oligarchy.
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Post by johneppstein on Dec 20, 2017 23:29:32 GMT -6
John, in what universe do you see the gov't as responsible or truth telling anywhere? In every novel, movie and TV show, the gov't is always NOT telling the truth until the heroes take out the bad guys. Even in stories where the government does something good, the public always has to be kept in the dark until it's all over. Nobody thinks that plot lines where government is duplicitous is unrealistic. Seriously, man? Do you always get your version of reality from works of fiction? The Don I know is smarter than that. Fiction is written to be entertaining. This, OTOH, is serious. However it's looking that what currently passes for "reality" has now been taken over by a really bad scriptwriter. As much as I loathe Di-Fi, even she would be preferable to what we currently have.
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Post by rowmat on Dec 21, 2017 3:30:28 GMT -6
Just about everyone from both 'sides' of US politics will benefit from the tax package as most have some kinds of property investment portfolios. Totally untrue. I don't know where you get this nonsense. (Well, actually I do,. but it's a total lie.) I don't have any "property investment portfolio". Neither do any of the local musicians I know in the Bay Area, or the majority of small businessmen,. or anybody in any of the service industries (who make up the builk of the woirkers in the SF area, or any of the schoolteachers (of whom I know several), or most of the construction workers, truck drivers or non- upper management workers in ther Bay Area tech sector. They ALL rent. In fact, do you know who owns most of the property in urban California? Foreign investors from China, Russia, and the Middle East, specifically Saudi Arabia, that's who. And it's the same situation in the New York City real estate market and pretty much every other expanding urban real estate market in the country. And they're all jacking up the rents as high as they canm get them. Rents in SF on bob-rernt controlled properties haver been doubling and tripling as tenants are forced out. I was forced to leave my home and studio in SF when my rent was summarily tripled in January 2016. Do you know what the the #! cause of major studio closings is in major US cities? In case you haven't been paying attention it's usorious rent increases by major real estate speculators, the majority of whom are either either members of the US mega-rich or or foreign "investors". Do you know what the primary conduit for money laundering by the Russian Mob is? US Real estate, that's what. And guess who is a major player? Yes, that person who was legally supposed to divest himself of all such investment as a condition of taking office. And who didn't obey the law. Where do think the Russian investigation is going, anyway? The are two ob jectives - the lesser one is an investigation of treasonous activity. The other, and larger one is money laundering by the Russian Mob employing US real estate investment as the primary conduit. Are you aware that those clauses that do provide a modest benefit to middle class US investors are written so as be reduced significaqntly within 2 years and to be completely eliminated within 10? While the tax benefits to to the mega-rich DO NOT EXPIRE? No? Perhaps you should familiarize yourself whth the actual contents of the legislation you support before committing yourself, lest you receive a really nasty and unexpected bite on the ass when the chickens come home to roost? The 3 richest members of Congress all voted against the tax bill, one going on TV and calling it totally immoral and stating that the way it was rammed through is contrary to every standard of submitting and approving legislation. Which is absolutely true. Not all politicians are totally corrupt. I hav e been against the Feinstein-Pelosi "Republican Lite" cabal of real estate developer backed politicians since Di-Fi seized the office of SF Mayor in the wake of the assassination of Moscone. The only difference between them and Trump is that they pay lip service to "liberal-ish" positions and throw the occasional well-gnawed bone to to the middle and working classes - as long as it doesn't get in the way of their own ambitions. And I suspect that some of those positions, specifically gun control, are actually 5th column activity to ensure that the Democrats don't carry national elections. I dunno some people just have all the luck when it comes to investing especially when the decisions they make push up the stock prices of their own portfolios.VBery Trump-ian, aint it?
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Post by drew571 on Dec 21, 2017 7:24:53 GMT -6
Someone please come out with another 1073 clone so we can talk about that instead.
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Post by rowmat on Dec 21, 2017 7:30:07 GMT -6
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Post by drew571 on Dec 21, 2017 7:33:34 GMT -6
Yeah, I know and apparently we need still more. Maybe if Jeff steiger releases some DIY models that can be put in a modular console that will shut people up.
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Post by swurveman on Dec 21, 2017 11:51:40 GMT -6
Ok man, I honestly just can’t even see your side here. Guess we just think about these things different in Texas. We take care of our neighbors, instead of begging congress so some Washington bureaucrat can get money from California or Indiana and us, only to send it back down here after deducting their salary out of it. No worries, I think everyone generally wants the same things. Just don’t agree with how to do it. Can’t understand how you think the government is evil oligarchs and still want to send them even more money. No, you don't do things differently in Texas. You have a CHIP program among other programs that require federal spending. So, this "we take care of our neighbors in Texas" stuff is simply untrue. I send money to the federal government because it's the lawful thing to do and understand that there are some things better coordinated on a national basis. Still waiting for Texas to secede though. I agree that there is no further point in dialogue on this subject.
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Dec 21, 2017 12:28:47 GMT -6
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Post by matt@IAA on Dec 21, 2017 14:27:28 GMT -6
Guess we'll just have to go back to how things were in 1997. Edited because the sarcasm wasn’t kind. Anyway - merry Christmas all!
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Post by ericn on Dec 21, 2017 17:30:54 GMT -6
Ok man, I honestly just can’t even see your side here. Guess we just think about these things different in Texas. We take care of our neighbors, instead of begging congress so some Washington bureaucrat can get money from California or Indiana and us, only to send it back down here after deducting their salary out of it. No worries, I think everyone generally wants the same things. Just don’t agree with how to do it. Can’t understand how you think the government is evil oligarchs and still want to send them even more money. No, you don't do things differently in Texas. You have a CHIP program among other programs that require federal spending. So, this "we take care of our neighbors in Texas" stuff is simply untrue. I send money to the federal government because it's the lawful thing to do and understand that there are some things better coordinated on a national basis. Still waiting for Texas to secede though. I agree that there is no further point in dialogue on this subject. After living in Texas I through a major disaster, dealing with the medical system of UT & seeing the health care system for the poor Il Just say Nailed it !
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Dec 21, 2017 18:17:38 GMT -6
Guess we'll just have to go back to how things were in 1997. Edited because the sarcasm wasn’t kind. Anyway - merry Christmas all! what, back to before all those kids that need CHIP were born?
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Post by matt@IAA on Dec 21, 2017 18:39:55 GMT -6
Haha no - before CHIP existed.
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Dec 21, 2017 19:39:14 GMT -6
Do you think CHIP is a bad thing?
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Post by matt@IAA on Dec 21, 2017 23:49:30 GMT -6
I don’t know much about it, to be honest. Certainly not enough to form a coherent opinion.
I do think our entire medical insturance system is a massive mess, though. So we got that going for us.
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Post by johneppstein on Dec 22, 2017 1:20:34 GMT -6
Well, yes - Cheney is another crooked Republican, just n on a scale nowhere near as bid as the current gang. Please tell me you don't actually believe that! There is is a MASS of evidence that the Russians and Trump coplluded on fixing the election. It is an established FACT that Russian hackers posted thousands and thousands oof fake messages on acbook and Twitter to affact public opinion. Huge numberrs of posts comprising whaty is likely the biggedst false-flag attack in history. Faceboopk has verified the used of their site in this manner. Any time that you hear Trump accusing his opponents of some kinds of misdeeds you can be absolutely certain that he's talking about something that his own own organization is involved in on a massive scale. Accusing others of doing something that he him self is doing is one of Trump's primary tactics. When Trump says "the election is rigged" you can be absoluterly certain it is - by Trump. When Trump says "fake news" it's because that's exactly what he's paying his toadies at Fox and Breitbart to produce. You just have follow the money and the political history of those organizations. He's following the Third Reich playbook on the use of massive propaganda machines to the letter. He actually was very astute in his handling of Fox - one of the first things Fox did was snap up the broadcast contracts of most of the major sports organization in the US (which they were able to due because of truly massive funding by mega-wealthy Republican backers), which gives Fox an automatic massive following among the working class public - who are easily deceived once you have their allegiance. It's a sad but true fact about the American public that they pay far closer attention to major league sports than to any sort of serious news. This is an application of the Roman Imperial tactic of controlling the public by means of "bread andf circuses" than anything attempted before in history. Anybody who studied world history to even a moderate degree will spot this immediately. However the great majority of working class Americans are almost totally ignorant of history. Bill Clinton's speech was totally irrelevant - it had nothing to with anytyhing political. And the amount he received was totally insignificant compared to billions involved in Trump's monery laudering operations with Russians - which are totally illegal, which Bill's fee was not not. The Uranium One deal was thoroughly investigated not one once, but TWICE - and if you actually look into what happened you'll discover that in reality it had NOTHING AT ALL to do with Hillary Clinton She wasn't even Secretary of State at the time. And it was approved b y 8 or 9 other top officials and vetted by the courts and Justice Department and found to be totally legal. All that talk has been proven to be utter fabrication. Trump's own investigation found there was no wrongdoing in Uranium One. However if you repeat a lie often and loudly enough people who are too lazy and ignorant to find out what the real truth is will believe it. This is another Trump's primary propaganda tactics. All this crap illustrates why it is absolutely CRUCIAL to enforce serious fact checking of what is presented as "news" - because it' s not real news, it's lies. And as we all know, Trump is the world's leading expert on fake news - and anything he accuses others olf doing is something her's involved in himself - up to his neck. First, evidence has been provided, just not in detail or en mass. Second, do you not know ANYTHING about how investigations that could potential lead to indictments and serious criminal charges are conducted? It is totally contrary to good practice to dump your evidence willy-nilly into the popular press, and for two very good reasons. First, you don't want to tip your hand to the opposition. Second, and far more important, is that to do so would invalidate the use of that evidence in court because it would be considered predjudicial to a fair and impartial proceeding, and would therefore be automatically excluded. When your "evidence" is a totally fabricated fake you give it to the press as your smokescreen - because it's worthless as real evidence. You don't do that if it's real. When the investigation has been concluded and the process moves to the courtroom phase we'll see evidence all right - mountains of it. Mueller is well known for being extremely thorough, careful, and meticulously painstaking. There will be evidence and it will be unmistakeable. He already is known to have concluded a plea bargain with Mike Flynn, a very high placed former official in the Trump organization who has been proved beyond doubt to have conducted improper relations with Kremlin operatives. And he brought indictments against Paul Manafort and Gates. The text of the Manafort indictment (at least) is available online in its entirety. And Mueller is just getting started, which why is so desperate to sabotage and block his investigation. The investigation is expected to continue throughout 2018, if not longer. Of course not. What makes it real is that it's true and even the small portion of the evidence that has been revealed makes it obvious. Maddow just reports news and manages to make a potentiality dull subject interesting. And is able to get key players on the aikr to be interviewed. Do you ever actually watch Maddow's bropadcasts? Or do you just repaet what Faux "news" says about her? You SHOULD watch. You might learn something. I was one of them. So what? Hillary's peccadillos have nothing to do with Trump's massive felonies. Except that they weren't weren't, really, placed in context. And have nothing whatsoever to with Trump's massive crimes. It's like comparing a gnat with a black mamba. It's just a smokescreen =- whenever Trump gets afraid of the revelations of his treason ha starts yelling "Crooked Hillary! Crooked Hillary!" It's like a murderer trying to ujse a jaywalker to deflect attention from himself. I am utterly astounded that anyone couild be duped into believing that any infractions Hillary might haved comitted come even remotely close to what Trump has been up to, which is nothing less than a wholesale looting of the USD economy and all its physical possessions, notably all the National Park system and all government owned lands. And that's not even considering the wholesale treason he has engaged in with Russia and who knows which other countries? The Saudis look like a pretty certain bet. And he's sucking up to the Chinese. And his systematic alienation of our country's most important allies. And his committment to wrecking the environment to enrich his cronies in the oil business. Wonder how many billions his kickback is from that one? Andf the economic crash that comes after the full effects of his policies come to felt will make the Great Depression look like a peanut. FIFTEEN BILLION DOLLARS IN UNRECOUPABLE DEBT! Not to mention that he has effectively - and illegally - gutted the US health care system and, totally contrary to his most solemn promises, increased taxes on the middle and working classes to a truly intolerable degree, beginning about two or three years from now and getting progessively worse through at least 2027.
Totally and utterly irrelevant to anything having to with Trump. Crooked Hillary! Crooked Hillary! Do people not understand that Hillary Clintgon doesn't have anything to do with the Government and hasn't for some time now? Do people not understand that Trump keeps going after Clinton because his good buddy Putin hates her and tells him to do it. Really? Then why do you constantly parrot their party line. Methinks thou doth protest too much. What does that have to do with anything? That's utter nonsense. Never before in history has a major piece of legislation been rammed through congress in utter secrecy, with members of the minority party being forcibly and totally excluded from the proceedings and members of Congress not even being givern any opportunity to read the bill they're voting on? With members of the majority party who had doubts and objections to things they did know about it being given verbal assurances that those items had been changed in order to get those congresspeople to fall into line with the instigators, only to find out after the bill had passed that those promises were baldfaced lies? I'm speaking particularly of Sen. Susan Collins of Maine, but she was not the only tone who was lied to. Since when is it even remotely acceptable to treat members of one's own party in such an underhanded and dishonedst manner? Ther fact is that the way the tax bill was handled was in an unprecedentedly underhanded manner from the beginng and probably actually illegal. There you go with the B S smokescreens again. No I don't remember that, don't believe given some of the other "facts" you've quoted which are known not to be true, and even it was I don't care at this point BECAUSE PELOSI IS NOT THE ISSUE HERE. She is totally irrelevant. The issue is Trump and the travesty that has become of the once august Republican Party. Executive orders per se are not an issue. What is an issue is Trump's clumsily creative attempts to misuse them in illegal ways never attempted before, even by Nixon. Obama and drone strikes are not an issue here. Stop trying to confuse the issue. ASnd Obama used drones in an attempt to prevent loss of American lives. Trump has demonstrated thaty he does not care one whit abouty the lives of American citizens. Look at the scandalous way he has treated the population of Puerto Rico. Puerto Ricans are US citizens, every one of them. Trump has treated them in a manner that borders on gednocide. Speaking of which, I am of half Jewish decent and my father was of an age to volunteer for the US Marine Corps at the start of WWII. Consequently I have been treated to far more factual history about the events in Germany that led up to and culminated in that war. I am utterly horrified to see those same events repeated here and now in the United States, only the names have been changed. And we know how that turned out for Germany, don't we? Trying to shift the spotlight to Pelosio again. We are not discussing Pelosi. Not even Trump has attempted to attack Pelosi in any serious way. Only the propagandists try to use her as an issue - because she isn't one. And despite how large her fortune might look to us it's like a peanut colmpared to the amount Trump has stolen . FIFTEEN TRILLION DOLLARS. Let's look at that again - FIFTEEN TRILLION DOLLARS. Trump is NOT "just" another self serving egomaniac. He's in a whole new class by himself. Trump actually has the capability to destroy the world. And he is not a mere egomaniac - at best he is a raving sociopath, at worst a full blown psychopath with well developed paranoid traits and the self control of a two year old. Who controls a very large nuclear arsenal. In all likelihood Trump is the most dangerous man who has ever lived. To underestimate him is a mortal danger.
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