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Post by Martin John Butler on Mar 8, 2014 18:25:02 GMT -6
That scares me, NOT use the Burl clock? Yikes..
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Post by popmann on Mar 8, 2014 19:20:55 GMT -6
Why?
...and this "microphone system" IS always and forever your AD. Always. It is....digital. converting it BACK to analog...then using something else to convert to digital AGAIN is to utterly miss the point of what a converter brings to the table.
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Post by Rock Kennedy on Mar 8, 2014 19:45:10 GMT -6
I have to admit I am trying to think how I can financially swing this purchase right now. But even if I do, I can't imagine making it the clock for my entire system.
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Post by jazznoise on Mar 8, 2014 20:02:57 GMT -6
Why? ...and this "microphone system" IS always and forever your AD. Always. It is....digital. converting it BACK to analog...then using something else to convert to digital AGAIN is to utterly miss the point of what a converter brings to the table. Yeah, I'd kind of like an AES output. Not sure where the industry is going, but analogue aint it. I'd also +1 the idea of modelling popular lavs and shotguns - if nothing else, they're a sizable part of the industry. The studio nerds are only some of the money.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2014 21:07:37 GMT -6
You guys, clock talk can go die a miserable death the purple purgatory.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 8, 2014 22:04:02 GMT -6
Huh?
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Post by jazznoise on Mar 9, 2014 5:18:47 GMT -6
You guys, clock talk can go die a miserable death the purple purgatory. This. A big part of the progresss modern digital system design is clock recovery - the jitter bogeyman is a relic of the 80's and offers no real threat to modern digital audio. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase-locked_loop
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Post by gouge on Mar 9, 2014 5:27:38 GMT -6
yeah but I think what slate is referring to is that most converters will perform more accurately when using their internal clocks.
it's just marketing talk. you can't argue against it because it's true. but it's true on such a miniscule level it wouldn't bother most. still it artificially reinforces the concept that the slate gear is superior so it gets mentioned.
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Post by jazznoise on Mar 9, 2014 7:13:34 GMT -6
yeah but I think what slate is referring to is that most converters will perform more accurately when using their internal clocks. it's just marketing talk. you can't argue against it because it's true. but it's true on such a miniscule level it wouldn't bother most. still it artificially reinforces the concept that the slate gear is superior so it gets mentioned. Completely. Or as I hear it in my head: Internet Expert #7: "Zomg how cud u nt evn gib me wrd clk in and out? Dnt u kno neting about jitter!?"Marketing Guy: Oh yeah, obviously! Jitter! Sheesh. Well we put rubber feet on it to keep the clock more steady as well as phase comparator-feedback loop based clock synchronization technology. Also I lost 8 pounds in a month after using <Device>. Also we added clock in and out anyway to deflect your scaremongering away from our products. Buy our stuff.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Mar 9, 2014 7:20:38 GMT -6
Slate really gives me faith in the marketing department at Northeastern University in Boston. Maybe I should have gone there instead.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 9, 2014 9:22:03 GMT -6
Come on, guys...give the guy a break. He can't win for losing. If he doesn't include WC, he gets panned by half of the crowd, if he does, then the other half is pissed...
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Post by gouge on Mar 9, 2014 9:29:43 GMT -6
I'm not panning him for including or not including WC, I don't think the other are either.
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Post by jazznoise on Mar 9, 2014 9:41:20 GMT -6
No disrespect to Slate intended, John, I'm just making fun of the reality of selling audio equipment. Meeting the price their customers are willing to pay while including antiquated features to keep the voodoo at bay must be infuriating for any hardware developer. BNC connectors and a means of bypassing the internal clock (indeed if it does that) when it detects a signal on the word in, as well as a buffer to allow the clock drive the BNC out probably adds 10 to 20 dollars of cost, as well as economy of space, that he'd rather went to something else or was passed on as a saving to the consumer. Especially when there's current cheaper technology that he'd have to include anyway that would make this redundant.
And the worst part is he's not even in a position to poke fun after doing all that. So Mr. Slate will just have to make do with living vicariously through our less than subtle jokes.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Mar 9, 2014 9:44:34 GMT -6
I think clocks should always be a option, either way. I don't have much experience with them, but I've heard improvements when comparing a Black Lion Audio clock to the clock in my Apollo, so I tend to think they matter.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2014 14:13:49 GMT -6
I heard no difference between the a presonus firestudio and an SSL Alphalink on the word clock front. I doubt I'd pass any AB test.
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Post by jazznoise on Mar 9, 2014 14:36:44 GMT -6
I heard no difference between the a presonus firestudio and an SSL Alphalink on the word clock front. I doubt I'd pass any AB test. Me neither. The stray capacitance built up in a word clock cable is a larger source of error than a PLL's room for deviation (which is usually, in a good design, less than 3 picoseconds). I've never understood the rational behind the wordclock guys, certainly not in 2014.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Mar 9, 2014 14:57:22 GMT -6
Word clock indeed sounded better back in the '90s when all AES/EBU/SPDIF chips were an incompetently designed jitter-inducing train wreck.
No converter using recent chips should have any problem. That said, its always best to run converters on their internal clock. I can't speak for current digi interfaces but the mix ones were very confusing leading people to think they were on internal when they actually weren't.
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Post by RicFoxx on Aug 24, 2014 6:31:43 GMT -6
So what happened to this. What is going on with Slate??? I still want FGX to be AAX!
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 24, 2014 8:53:36 GMT -6
Ah...Slate. I'd love to have VCC in AAX too. Maybe it will be at this Nashville Gear Expo. I noticed that Slate was gonna be there - and I know he's talked to McBride about Blackbird's mics.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 24, 2014 9:11:46 GMT -6
This has been a topic at the site we don't name for a long time now. Steven has responded numerous times, and gracefully dealt with some nasty, personal, and beyond skeptical remarks. That said, Mr. Slate is amazingly good at self promotion, but his time frame exists in its own personal time warp. He's got a lot of progressive projects on his mind and some really great people in the company, but no matter how you slice it, people's patience has worn thin with certain things they do all too often. I've been waiting for the promised 64 bit upgrade to my Slate VBC for more than a year and a half now. In a digital world, that's hallway to forever.
This announcement certainly has spawned interest and controversy. I've had almost six months to mull it over, and have settled on thinking it could be a fantastic development. If Slate's emulations are as relatively close as say.. a UAD emulation, and you're at 95-99% of a C12, U47, KM84, 414, U67, etc. it could be a game changer. I'd love to hear one of those emulations vs. my Oliver Archut hand made U17 Thiersch M7 Blueline Blackspade. If it was equal, I'd then have the option of trying some other classic mics and dialing it in for each vocalist and song. A virtual mic closet for less than my main mic !
I'm crossing my fingers that it surpasses expectations.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Aug 24, 2014 9:35:29 GMT -6
Ah...Slate. I'd love to have VCC in AAX too. Maybe it will be at this Nashville Gear Expo. I noticed that Slate was gonna be there - and I know he's talked to McBride about Blackbird's mics. I still think the Feb deadline that he posted for VCC is going to be Feb of 2015.
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Post by masteroftracks on Aug 24, 2014 10:11:59 GMT -6
For anyone who hasn't heard, Steven Slate announced on pensados place that he and John Mcbride have formed a partnership which should net some very cool shit. FYI. Haha just realized it's the raven and the blackbird!
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Aug 24, 2014 11:07:47 GMT -6
John has the most diverse mike locker in the world!
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Post by mrholmes on Aug 27, 2014 16:45:17 GMT -6
Ward, do I sense a little sarcasm Anyway, I have to admit, that side by side demo of the U47 was pretty damn spot on… I pretty sure SL has no problem to fake such a video.
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 27, 2014 17:12:52 GMT -6
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