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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 13, 2017 19:02:56 GMT -6
I really hope I’m selling this thing in a week/month. Love to spend it on some Heritage 1073 Elites.
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Post by Quint on Nov 13, 2017 19:10:34 GMT -6
Obviously I'm sure most everyone would take a Symphony MKII over the previous generation 16x range of Apogee converters. That being said, the 16x AD and DA can be bought pretty cheap these days.
For those of you that have used both, how do you feel that they compare in sound quality? I ask because it occurred to me recently that Silverface Apollo's can also be bought pretty cheaply these days. Two SF Apollos paired over adat with an AD-16x and DA-16x would get you 16 i/o with Apogee conversion, real-time UAD and Windows compatibility over TB.
Those 16x can be bought for like $700 and I've seen Silverface Apollo quads go for $1200. That'd be $3,800 total. Not peanuts by any stretch but not bad considering you'd have an Octo worth of real-time processing coupled with 16 channels of Apogee i/o and another 16 channels of Apollo i/o. A blackface Apollo 16, which is only a Quad, sells for $3000 new, as a point of comparison.
Speaking of which, how does the Apollo Blackface compare to the 16x in sound quality?
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Post by Guitar on Nov 13, 2017 19:17:20 GMT -6
I'm gon' be honest, Quint, that's been one of my weird fantasy rigs in my head. So many great records in my collection have been made on that, or lesser, tech, with greater human contribution of course.
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 13, 2017 19:20:47 GMT -6
Careful you’d need a Tbolt card in the apollo to work with windows so probably a little more dough ? They are getting harder to find too ?
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Post by Quint on Nov 13, 2017 19:36:36 GMT -6
I'm gon' be honest, Quint, that's been one of my weird fantasy rigs in my head. So many great records in my collection have been made on that, or lesser, tech, with greater human contribution of course. Agreed, a ton of great records were made on 16x. I still love my 2192 and it's not new tech either. It's the damn interface tech that keeps changing. The 2192 keeps chugging along just fine as long as I've got a way to interface it. I've been wanting, and I'm sure many others, for UA to make a Satellite with digital i/o for a while now. A 1st generation Apollo essentially provides that if you can find some at the right price. Hell, a used satellite quad goes for $500-$600 and you still wouldn't have any real-time capability. I'd pay another $600 over that to have what would essentially amount to a real-time satellite. I mean, two Blackface Apollo Quads would set you back $5000 new or maybe roughly the same used as what the 16x Silverface combo would cost. So then I guess it would come down to how the Blackface sound compares to the 16x sound? You'd still get an additional 16 channels with the 16x Silverface combo though, which still doesn't make it an apples to apples comparison.
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 13, 2017 19:39:27 GMT -6
Well a used apollo is both a real time interface and a satalite with its on board dsp ?
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Post by Quint on Nov 13, 2017 19:45:47 GMT -6
Well a used apollo is both a real time interface and a satalite with its on board dsp ? Right. But if you don't care about or need or want the Silverface conversion, then you could just view the Apollo as a real-time Satellite, no? I guess that's my point. A Quad is a Quad worth of DSP regardless of whether it's a BF or SF Apollo or a Satellite. The difference is that you would get real-time capability with an Apollo. A 16 channel Symphony MKII along with an Octo is $5300 new and you still don't have real-time capability. Maybe the used market for SF Apollos might serve to provide a product that UA won't make on their own? I bet that, if UA ever did make a real-time Quad Satellite with digital i/o, it would cost as much if not more than what a used SF Apollo Quad goes for.
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Post by Quint on Nov 13, 2017 19:47:18 GMT -6
Careful you’d need a Tbolt card in the apollo to work with windows so probably a little more dough ? They are getting harder to find too ? I still see a fair amount of TB Silverface for sale. I don't think they're that hard to find.
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 13, 2017 20:15:52 GMT -6
Real time only matters if you are tracking with UA plugs right? Is that what you mean ? Cus you need an apollo interface for that not a satalite . Satalite dsp is only for mixing .
I don’t disagree with your combo idea just saying with an sf you need a tbolt card to run Windows and not all sfs have tbolt cards?
Some peeps at UA forum were just talking about how they are getting harder to find is the only reason I commented, not arguing with you.
I looked at used 16s too but as I liked the mkii package and don’t track with ua plugs or any, just use my ob pres and comps, another reason I sold my bf and got the mkii.
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Post by Quint on Nov 13, 2017 20:46:59 GMT -6
Real time only matters if you are tracking with UA plugs right? Is that what you mean ? Cus you need an apollo interface for that not a satalite . Satalite dsp is only for mixing . I don’t disagree with your combo idea just saying with an sf you need a tbolt card to run Windows and not all sfs have tbolt cards? Some peeps at UA forum were just talking about how they are getting harder to find is the only reason I commented, not arguing with you. I looked at used 16s too but as I liked the mkii package and don’t track with ua plugs or any, just use my ob pres and comps, another reason I sold my bf and got the mkii. Agreed, real-time only matters during tracking. A Satellite can't provide that capability. I got into the Apollo in the first place because of real-time capability. Otherwise I probably never would have bought one. I have a nice amount of outboard comps and eqs and quite a few nice preamps. It's the reverbs, delays and real-time fx that got me on board with the UAD and the Apollo. That being said, it's other compromises on the platform that have always bugged me. I've seldom tracked with their comp and eq plugins. But I do like the real-time capability for fx. I also like access to their plugins in general during mixing but I never could bring myself to buy a Satellite. I've been at a crossroads for a while. I'd like to not give up the real-time capability (though I have also been making strategic hardware (fx, cab simulators, etc.) moves in parallel to start moving away from it recently) but I also don't want to continue to live with some of the other compromises. I'm just kind of looking at what other creative solutions may exist to give me the best of both worlds. Hence the questions about how the 16x sounds compared to the Symphony MKII.
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Post by yotonic on Nov 13, 2017 21:03:09 GMT -6
oh why not; nice slow hand solo !! super tight for live !! This guy's voice just gets better with time. I can't think of a single young artist today with pipes like this.
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Post by ericn on Nov 13, 2017 21:43:02 GMT -6
I really hope I’m selling this thing in a week/month. Love to spend it on some Heritage 1073 Elites. Those pre EQ's look tempting, now I just need the money and somebody who sells them!😎
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Post by Quint on Nov 13, 2017 21:50:09 GMT -6
I really hope I’m selling this thing in a week/month. Love to spend it on some Heritage 1073 Elites. Those pre EQ's look tempting, now I just need the money and somebody who sells them!😎 I'm totally buying some. They priced them right.
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Post by ericn on Nov 13, 2017 22:19:00 GMT -6
Those pre EQ's look tempting, now I just need the money and somebody who sells them!😎 I'm totally buying some. They priced them right. Yes they did indeed!
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