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Post by Quint on Nov 12, 2017 8:44:51 GMT -6
I think I even contributed with my...ugh ummm...few posts on that thread! When I received my FireWire sf Apollo 8 Quad...the workflow with my Dbox was golden! The sound, not so much! I was expecting 2192 conversion! It wasn’t even close to that! I was probably the most disappointed of the bunch, but I was still trucking along trying to use it because of the workflow and latency free plugins. understand but the price points/internals of the two units are very very different, know a few guys that have 2192s wth their apollos for that combo of reason you state  I'm one of those with a 2192 and an Apollo 16, though if the Symphony MKII wasn't Mac only and didn't have a fan, I would consider selling the 2192 AND Apollo to pick a 16 channel Symphony MKII up. |
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Post by popmann on Nov 12, 2017 11:47:39 GMT -6
Nothing can't be made better with chocolate. Appropriate analogy that probably doesn't mean what you intended.  Butter....bacon.....chocolate. The universal Bettermakers. |
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Post by m03 on Nov 12, 2017 12:06:11 GMT -6
if the Symphony MKII wasn't Mac only It looks like Windows support could be coming, but not soon. Take a look at the email that was reposted in the last post here: duc.avid.com/showthread.php?p=2458052 |
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 12, 2017 12:28:12 GMT -6
ah it was the "double" chocolate that was, for me, the only sonic problem |
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Post by Quint on Nov 12, 2017 12:41:24 GMT -6
if the Symphony MKII wasn't Mac only It looks like Windows support could be coming, but not soon. Take a look at the email that was reposted in the last post here: duc.avid.com/showthread.php?p=2458052I actually just saw yesterday that Windows support was announced for the desktop products. I didn't realize Windows support was coming for Dante and Soundgrid. Though Windows support for TB is really what I would need. I don't have any interest in Dante or Soundgrid. Maybe TB will happen. There's still also the issue of the fan... |
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 12, 2017 13:40:27 GMT -6
If you haven't used the mkii, how do you know there is an issue ? I only ask as that was a big part of the chassis redesign, to promote cooling and reduced noise.
As I said I sit right beside my unit and I have never heard the fan.
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Post by Quint on Nov 12, 2017 14:06:11 GMT -6
If you haven't used the mkii, how do you know there is an issue ? I only ask as that was a big part of the chassis redesign, to promote cooling and reduced noise. As I said I sit right beside my unit and I have never heard the fan. If it has a fan, that's an issue, for me anyway. I've gone out of my way to build a separate room for anything with a fan so that I don't have to worry about fan noise getting in mics and/or being annoying during mixing. Unfortunately, I can't put converters in this room for a number of different reasons. So any converters with a fan are kind of out for me, at least not without some serious inquiries. To go with anything with a fan, like the Symphony, I guess I would need to read multiple reports that 24 channel and definitely 16 channel units don't audibly kick the fan speed up when under stress. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 12, 2017 14:52:51 GMT -6
Ya, I hear ya (just not my fan:yet  . Well, I'll be able to test out a 16x16 soon or MikeC could ? |
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Post by Quint on Nov 12, 2017 15:06:08 GMT -6
Ya, I hear ya (just not my fan:yet . Well, I'll be able to test out a 16x16 soon or MikeC could ? I'd be interested to hear the results. On a related note, I wish UA would just make a product that is basically an Apollo without converters or a satellite with digital I/O over adat and/or aes. Then I could kind of have the best of both worlds. Though I may just dump UAD altogether one of these days. |
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Nov 12, 2017 15:06:47 GMT -6
Ya, I hear ya (just not my fan:yet . Well, I'll be able to test out a 16x16 soon or MikeC could ? yes, let us know when you toss that 8x8 card in your 16x16 chassis what the results are. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 12, 2017 15:11:09 GMT -6
I sold it to JK but he was asking about 16 at first, so happy to test that. Anyway, I put ice-cream in my symph and it never heats up and my mixes sound sick and SMOOTH: honest ! |
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Nov 12, 2017 17:19:07 GMT -6
I sold it to JK but he was asking about 16 at first, so happy to test that. Anyway, I put ice-cream in my symph and it never heats up and my mixes sound sick and SMOOTH: honest ! wait, so now you don't have an 8x8 anymore, just a 16x16? Doesn't your console have 20+ channels? |
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Post by mikec on Nov 12, 2017 17:43:20 GMT -6
The fan on my MKII 16x16 has never come on as far as I know. I have it in a Sterling Modular Plan E desk within arms reach and I have pretty short arms. . I've only tracked up to 8 channels at a time, but I mix with all 16 through a 2Bus+ and again, the fan has never come on to my knowledge. The external 7200 3T drive makes more sound than the MKII. I would probably be more apt to hear the fan in my Bricasti before the MKII. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 12, 2017 17:49:55 GMT -6
yes the delta has 24 inputs technically,16 mono channels and the 4 groups which have 2 inserts each.
I don' t have unlimited money and last week bought the 16x16 and a kush electra so something had to give.
So, I sold the 8x8. Technically I still have 24 converters as Wiz recommend that I experiment with all this and buy a behringer 8200, which give me another 8 channels over adat.
I know the conversion times will vary so I thought I would experiment and see if I can cheat with the logic io utility plug and get all 24 converters aligned.
I am selling some other stuff and I see used 8x8 cards for between $750 - $1500 so they are out there if I really want one.
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Post by ericn on Nov 12, 2017 17:56:13 GMT -6
yes the delta has 24 inputs technically,16 mono channels and the 4 groups which have 2 inserts each. I don' t have unlimited money and last week bought the 16x16 and a kush electra so something had to give. So, I sold the 8x8. Technically I still have 24 converters as Wiz recommend that I experiment with all this and buy a behringer 8200, which give me another 8 channels over adat. I know the conversion times will vary so I thought I would experiment and see if I can cheat with the logic io utility plug and get all 24 converters aligned. I am selling some other stuff and I see used 8x8 cards for between $750 - $1500 so they are out there if I really want one. Ah yes the real word rears its ugly head and bites the wallet yet again. The old version of the Behringer didn't suck, clocked off something else it sucked even less and the folks at BLA can make them down right respectable sounding ! If only they would reliable them Midas or KT they just wouldn't be so damn embarrassing in the rack! |
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Post by wiz on Nov 12, 2017 18:14:19 GMT -6
yes the delta has 24 inputs technically,16 mono channels and the 4 groups which have 2 inserts each. I don' t have unlimited money and last week bought the 16x16 and a kush electra so something had to give. So, I sold the 8x8. Technically I still have 24 converters as Wiz recommend that I experiment with all this and buy a behringer 8200, which give me another 8 channels over adat. I know the conversion times will vary so I thought I would experiment and see if I can cheat with the logic io utility plug and get all 24 converters aligned. I am selling some other stuff and I see used 8x8 cards for between $750 - $1500 so they are out there if I really want one. Ah yes the real word rears its ugly head and bites the wallet yet again. The old version of the Behringer didn't suck, clocked off something else it sucked even less and the folks at BLA can make them down right respectable sounding ! If only they would reliable them Midas or KT they just wouldn't be so damn embarrassing in the rack! I had a few ADA8000s over the years, and now have a 8200...i Have used far worse gear... Years ago, I tracked two songs, one through a ADA8000 using its preamps, and one using a RME UCX and outboard preamps, as a test for myself. There was a difference, and I had to work pretty hard to get the best out of the ADA8000, that was the biggest difference.. how easier it was with better gear. It does its job... cheers Wiz |
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 12, 2017 18:43:46 GMT -6
Talking about a wing and a prayer: just to recap, over the last few months, I have sold all my ua stuff, interface, octo card and al my plugs, which was my main rig for over 5 years.
This was all to try the more old school OB approach based on getting the delta and switching to the apogee and building this hybrid system to mimic having an 8 buss system. I mix to 8 sub groups in logic.
So ,now I have the 16 channels of apogee conversion(plus 8 8200), ( will send and receive from logic using it utility i/o plug) 20 pres ( wa412 and the 16 delta), 16 4 band eq and 8 2 band eqs (delta), so far, 7 channels of OB comp (looking around for another stereo comp) and the 2 channels kush electra eq for the 2 buss and other duties.
My new interface and cables, 2nd furman power supply and 2 48 point patchbay all show up next week, so I will at least hook everything up. Eight of my modules are with Tony being modded, so I am really looking forward to getting them back and diving into my brave new recording world.
Its all an experiment, as plugs just weren't doing it for me anymore: plus la change !
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 12, 2017 19:21:10 GMT -6
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Post by indiehouse on Nov 12, 2017 20:50:13 GMT -6
I can say first hand that a Symphony MKII with 2 cards makes the fan kick on, around 30-40%. It's noticeable, and probably would make it into a recording if tracking near it.
The fan doesn't kick on much, if at all, with one card. I don't notice any noise with 1 card.
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 12, 2017 20:55:29 GMT -6
I was wondering about that so opted for the single 16 thinking it has better ventilation than 2 stacked 8s ?
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Nov 13, 2017 2:04:26 GMT -6
I can say first hand that a Symphony MKII with 2 cards makes the fan kick on, around 30-40%. It's noticeable, and probably would make it into a recording if tracking near it. The fan doesn't kick on much, if at all, with one card. I don't notice any noise with 1 card. I have a MK1 with 2 cards. I'm not sure what the fan speed would be, but it's definitely loud. I was hoping the MK2 was an improvement over this. the folks at Apogee told me it was silent with a 16x16 card and the 8MicPre card, but i'll take real-world users' words over a company's words any day. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2017 4:18:55 GMT -6
I went back to the 16x series with a Symphony thunderbolt connector box, the fan issues of the Symphony Mk1 were a bit much.
Bit of a bummer losing money on the re-sale of new digital goods.
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Post by guitfiddler on Nov 13, 2017 12:22:33 GMT -6
I went back to the 16x series with a Symphony thunderbolt connector box, the fan issues of the Symphony Mk1 were a bit much. Bit of a bummer losing money on the re-sale of new digital goods. And? How did your ears handle the switch? Could you hear the differences and was it a big difference, if you could put into words? Example...The stereo width(narrower or same), Less low end, narrower mids, increased highs? I am still on the 16X with the thunder bridge...rock solid and happy still. I am definitely wanting to upgrade, but I am waiting still... I noticed a huge difference in better sound quality when I switched from the 32bit symphony card to the 64bit Thunderbridge! Currently running 32 in/16 out on my 16X and contemplating another DA16X for my analog console. Cheapest upgrade at the moment on the market! Have you heard an Apogee Big Ben clock hooked to this system, or has anyone for that matter, and does it make a big difference? |
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Post by Guitar on Nov 13, 2017 15:53:13 GMT -6
There has always been sort of a snooty air with UA. That’s not sour grapes, it’s just true. Hell, I’ve got 45 plugs and an Apollo, so they’ve got me. I have gotten the same vibe from them. Here in my current home town I get similar vibes from Moog. It's not all bad though, like you say, if the product is great. |
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Post by Guitar on Nov 13, 2017 16:10:44 GMT -6
My current view of conversion quality is that anything that is not regarded as "low end" beginner, prosumer kind of gear, is perfectly fine for any pro audio work.
There is a threshold of quality, but we are only talking a few hundred dollar range to get from the bad stuff to the good stuff.
There are so many other things that matter more.
That said, I am a small conversion geek, just from an audiophile/music fan place of listening.
And I will never wish anyone to go back to the days of Echo Audiofire or whatever, that was just punishing. Stay away from the super cheap stuff.
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