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Post by drbill on Aug 26, 2017 12:53:07 GMT -6
when you mix? When you have on your mixer's shoes..... Are you Mystical or Mathematical ?? There are so many different approaches to mixing, and I’m curious where you all fall in the continuum so I can better understand each of your perspectives better. At times, it seems like I’m far behind the crowd - in a different universe from what popular trends are. And at other times, I feel like I’m a quantum leap ahead, feeling like “been there, done that for 20 years”. Sometimes the Mystical vs. Mathematical approaches are so RADICALLY different in mixing that I’m amazed that the end product - music - even turns out remotely similar. To me this is a fascinating subject with no “rights” or “wrongs” - just differing approaches and perspectives. And I’d like to understand those better. How do you mix? Are you Mystical in your approach or Mathematical? Of course we all split these two perspectives every time we engineer or mix, but IMO, I think we all have a preference for one side over the other. Where do you USUALLY fall on the continuum? If you want to participate, choose a spot on the the continuum below from your gut - a letter or number from below, and put it in your posts - “I’m a D” or “I’m a 2”, or whatever, and then maybe elaborate further on a question below that intrigues you…. An A is full mystical no math involved, and a 1 full mathematical no mystical voodoo involved. If you'd like to give some perspective on how many pieces of music you've mixed in your career, that would give some awesome insight as well and be highly appreciated from my perspective. If you're "changing" from one side to the other gradually, please share that. If you mix other people material vs your own or both, that would lend insight as well. Do you take a : Mystical or Mathematical Approach? A B C D E F G — 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 All for fun and entertainment of course….. Then, choose a question that interests you - Do you : — Go by feel, and instinct when choosing a sound, a piece of gear of plugin - or do you use extensive A/B comparisons to decide between your options? — Mix with faders (virtual of physical) - or do you draw / trim volume timelines? — When you EQ, do you go by ear - or do you drop an analyser on your source? — Do you go by faith, by what “just feels right” to you, feeling your way through - or do you look for empirical evidence when deciding whether or not to follow a pathway? — Do you approach a mix from an artistic perspective - or do you approach it from an analytical perspective? — Do you like to move automation levels around during the mix in an organic and continuous motion - or do you like to trim volume grids and use compressors and limiters to hold things in place? — Do you work quickly and instinctually - or are you methodical and deliberate about your choices? — Do you like collaboration during a mix - or do you prefer solitude while mixing? — Do you embrace human imperfection (to a point of course. ) - or do you tend to edit material to be perfect or close to it? (Certainly differing styles point one direction or the other.) — If you’re writing / producing before you mix, do you prefer to record live parts like shakers, drum hits, simple keyboard parts, etc. and have "room sound" as part of the instruments sound - or do you MIDI sequence what you can and lock em down - getting a nice pure sound? — When mixing, do you prefer to hear “air” from a mic in the sound of an instrument - or you you like a more “clinical” dry sound so that you can manipulate it to be exactly where you want it to be? -- Do you embrace problems and turn them into positives - or do you seek out and destroy problems and either replace or ditch them? -- Are you additive in your approach - or subtractive? -- Can making a "wrong" decision actually empower you into mixing better - or must you alway make the "right" decision to proceed? -- do you prefer the beauty of computer recall - or do you prefer to wing it with an old school approach? Feel free to add questions of your own. I think this can be a fun and enlightening discussion….. Cheers, bp
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2017 13:52:44 GMT -6
When mastering, it's a fine balance...
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Post by johneppstein on Aug 26, 2017 13:54:03 GMT -6
Do you take a : Mystical or Mathematical Approach? A B C D E F G — 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 All for fun and entertainment of course….. Oh jeeziz.... On an artistic scale of !@#$%^& I'm probably about a %. Usually feel, sometimes compare between hardware. Not extensively. Mics may be an exception. Faders, always. Ear, machines can't appreciate music. Actually, we keep the channel meters on the console covered up during mixing most of the time. Ear, taste, and emotional impact. Not going to comment on the alternative. Artistic. I mix with faders. Some day maybe I'll get the moving faders on the console set up..... maybe...... Compressors are not a substutute for mixing, nor should they be used for volume control in a mix context. Volume grids are an abomination. Yes. Good question - I do a lot of collaboration with my music partner on our stuff. Otherwise, well, it depends on a lot of things, I'd have to say it's situational. I don't like a bunch of monkeys in the control room. As the master Persian rug makers say, god abhors perfection. Percussion, always live. Piano is usually an electronic piano direct (Yamaha CP300), would like a good acoustic. Had an upright at the old place that still held its tune, but the strings were over a century dead. We don't do individual drum hits. I like sounds to be a bit live - don't much care for dead rooms. Used to, but things change. Generally try to turn them into positives, I guess. If they're too egregious, just redo the track. If the player can't do it (and I'm wearing the producer hat) I'll call in someone else. Usually give both guys credit without saying who did (or didn't do) what. Sometimes pieces of both performances will get combined. Yes. To paraphrase Declan MacManus, Happy accidents sometimes happen. I'll leave the Total Rec Hall stuff to Arnold Schwartznegger. (The remake sucked.) Like I said, I don't have the moving faders set up yet. (did finally find a replacement for the bad one though....) Yep!
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Post by Ward on Aug 26, 2017 14:06:17 GMT -6
Clearly, I find myself to be a " – "
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2017 14:22:45 GMT -6
All Gandalf here, with a bit of Incidental Einstein
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Post by ChaseUTB on Aug 26, 2017 21:46:28 GMT -6
I would say I am a G. 1.Do you, Go by feel, and instinct when choosing a sound, a piece of gear of plugin - or do you use extensive A/B comparisons to decide between your options? When choosing a plugin, gear or sound I go by instinct, experience. If that doesn't work then I dig into the comparisons Plug B vs Plug C and if that's not it my approach is wrong and different technique is used to achieve result. 2. Mix with faders (virtual of physical) - or do you draw / trim volume timelines? Faders on midi keyboard and virtual w/ mouse. 3. When you EQ, do you go by ear - or do you drop an analyser on your source? Ear and soloing frequencies on pro q2 or PT EQ3-7, used to use an analyzer 5+ years ago when I didn't trust my ears and monitoring. 4.Do you go by faith, by what “just feels right” to you, feeling your way through - or do you look for empirical evidence when deciding whether or not to follow a pathway? In mixing for me its more free flow, instinct. In mastering its more empirical and A/B. Mastering Ex: Did the 4Khz .5db boost add presence or does 5k work better? Then A/B or maybe 3khz is aggressive so a small cut will increase clarity in the 4K and 5k. 5. Do you approach a mix from an artistic perspective - or do you approach it from an analytical perspective? 60-40 Artistic maybe 65-35. I never use a template ever, each song is different. Also use a lot of UAD plugins that don't have numerical readouts, so a lot is feel with Reverbs/ compressors/ eq's.. I have go to plugs and use them but it's never exact copied settings like when AE gain stage into their fave set settings on their HW to get the desired sound. I get analytical on stuff like MB comp or DYN Eq/ DE-Ess, however am still using my ears and not an analyzer. 6. Do you like to move automation levels around during the mix in an organic and continuous motion - or do you like to trim volume grids and use compressors and limiters to hold things in place? Well for the most part I like to compress / eq / limit to taste and use automation post fader post plugins to create " motion " 7.Do you work quickly and instinctually - or are you methodical and deliberate about your choices? When mixing for a client I work quickly and instinctually especially if I have already Mixed their music before. If it is the first time, or my own music intend to be more methodical however I am not trying out 10 compressors on the lead vocal and picking one. 8. Do you like collaboration during a mix - or do you prefer solitude while mixing? I usually work alone but have no problem working with others or constructive criticism. I like to get a really good almost finished rough and send off a snip for approval / feedback. Recently clients have been thrilled with the first mix/ master they receive which is awesome for both parties 😀 9. Do you embrace human imperfection ( to a point of course. ) - or do you tend to edit material to be perfect or close to it? (Certainly differing styles point one direction or the other.) I work in mostly Rap RnB and Pop so it's more towards the " perfection " side however I have become more tolerable of breaths lol, hate when the life or soul is mixed out / gone because it's over edited or over Mixed or limited to death. 10. If you’re writing / producing before you mix, do you prefer to record live parts like shakers, drum hits, simple keyboard parts, etc. and have "room sound" as part of the instruments sound - or do you MIDI sequence what you can and lock em down - getting a nice pure sound? 90% of my productions are ITB. I have live drum samples I created and recorded and like to mic my petite kimball piano for " live " feel. 11. When mixing, do you prefer to hear “air” from a mic in the sound of an instrument - or you you like a more “clinical” dry sound so that you can manipulate it to be exactly where you want it to be? Whatever fits the context/ sound in my head the best. For Rap and Pop Vox the dry upfront mike works nice, however for R and B or ballad / singer songwriter material I backup singers off the mic to get more room sound, 1-3 feet. As far as the piano for production, spaced pair or xy is cool for " air/ room / live natural feel " 12. Do you embrace problems and turn them into positives - or do you seek out and destroy problems and either replace or ditch them? It depends on my rapport with the client, I do whatever I can mostly to keep what is sent and turn it into " gold " 😂On the other hand if I have to mute or delete I will. The better the rapport the more freedom I have Mix wise to make the song the best it can be. 13. Are you additive in your approach - or subtractive? Whatever it takes to get the mix/ master/ production to sound the best, without specifics it's hard to elaborate. 14. Can making a "wrong" decision actually empower you into mixing better - or must you alway make the "right" decision to proceed? If it sounds good it is good. 15. Do you prefer the beauty of computer recall - or do you prefer to wing it with an old school approach? A little bit of both, i like to print a few vox thru HW and don't always copy the settings or write them down, I use my ears. Also when using HW on the mix bus I have compressed the mix to taste as I printed the mix, very old school workflow. Other times I draw in a fade, no HW is used and i just print and listen. I love recall and DAW. 16. Feel free to add questions of your own. I think this can be a fun and enlightening discussion….. Cheers, bp! - Thanks for the interesting thread & questions hope more of us participate
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2017 22:10:33 GMT -6
Both..
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Post by Guitar on Aug 27, 2017 15:40:28 GMT -6
I used to hate mixing, feels like washing the dishes or polishing pottery to me. I'm also not very keen on woodworking. But I've had to adjust to both.
I would say I'm a more technical mixer. My main goal in the past 5 years has been to get better results in less time. I've mixed thousands of songs and demos. Probably 15 releases for "other people" and nearly as many for "myself" as well as things that never see the light of day and no one has heard but me.
I would describe my process as haphazard and crude, and unfocused. Sort of like what Tom Elmhirst said about his style of mixing. But I know when it all "Comes together" I can recognize that moment most of the time. Having people in the room or on the end of an email exchange can help with not taking things too far past done. Working quickly and in broad strokes is really helping me out. If something is getting pressed and sold in public I'm going to be using the fine toothed comb quite a bit more heavily.
I tend to embrace the imperfections. Some people respond positively to this. I've been called "raw" but I've also been working on my polish skills lately, to have options. Tight and perfect is NOT in my DNA. I can't even draw a straight line. I am attracted to things with rough edges. Practicing drums to a metronome has been blowing my mind lately, as well as tightening up my vocal pitch precision and guitar chunking all just from the simple metronomic programming of my feet and hands. Incredible.
I like loudness, I like distortion, I have to keep myself in check sometimes, so I do watch the meters. I also like to mix and track at the same time, sometimes. Although usually there are a few hours at the end of any session purely focused on mixing. Anything past the 3-4 hour point gets into window dressing and futile changes with loss of objectivity. Cramming a full mix into that time frame has been a productive goal I've gotten better at reaching.
Speaking of trends you mentioned, the darker sound of the past few years has found its way to my mixes. I mix on speakers with very bright tweeters also, so it keeps my 12 K knob from going up too far. I'm more interested in throbbing bass tones these days anyway.
One thing I like to woodshed on, and talk about on RGO, is getting good tones from specific instruments. I've gone through drum sounds, vocal sounds, and more recently guitar sounds and it all really helps a lot when starting a session. Mostly getting it right during tracking, so you can give that cherry on the top in the mix rather than going into search and rescue mode. This has been a really productive "diversion" for me, vs strictly cranking out material. Just honing the craft, practicing instruments, tracking and mixing all of it. It's a really good thing to do when you're not "inspired" as it were. Or build a damn compressor or something. Take a day off now and then too, smell the roses.
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Post by Tbone81 on Aug 27, 2017 22:12:53 GMT -6
I'll take a stab...my initial gut reaction was that I'm a very technical mixer/engineer. I certainly tend to be very analytic, which has helped me in the live sound environment. But after reading your questions I think I'm actually more middle of the road. Probably a 6 or 7. I approach things from a very structured, thought out way, but once things are rolling its like "F*ck it...its only rock and roll, lets have fun".
Here are some answers to some of your questions.
1) I choose gear based on experience and function. I tend to use the same 2 eq's, same 3 compressors, etc for everything. I don't like endlessly searching for options. If it works it works, However, there is a certain amount of inspiration or "fuzzy feelings" I get from the few pieces of nice outboard gear I have. Things that just make me feel good while using them.
2) I mix with a mouse and tend to draw in big, broad stroke automation to groups etc. I do use a single fader and am trying to do that more.
3) I EQ by ear but also with my eyes. I'm really trying hard to not mix with my eyes (its a real problem) but its hard to disconnect that when you see fancy gui's with eq curves etc.
4) I have a pretty good idea what a mix should sound like before its done (and I record things as I want to hear them come the finished product), but my vision of the mix is always evolving. I feel like the song tells you how it should sound.
5) I work methodically and deliberatly
6) I have to be alone when I mix, can't stand having people there unless we're just auditioning something specific.
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Post by ericn on Aug 28, 2017 6:51:51 GMT -6
Magically reverent to the laws of physics!
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Post by adamjbrass on Aug 28, 2017 10:16:15 GMT -6
Alchemy requires both! I lean towards the metaphysical realm, before plotting for mathematical truths, and prefer to use finite mathematics as a guide or block diagram to the spiritual world. Ahh the multi-verse! A collective of souls gathered on a single plain of existence. The circumference of a circle, and in other words..Evolution. You'd have to be a real egotist in this game to never have this happen to you. I like you, have thought this very thing many times over in the short time I am doing this. I am sure MOST everyone at one point or another has this kind of inference into their own existence. To follow the flow of your own design is far preferable to the "trends" which evolve and devolve within the collective of space of time. Much like our own revolutions, these trends can become circular and esoteric. Mystical. But yet, the equation, "What does the Song Need", is precisely math itself, regardless of such imaginary mystical details. Therefore, being ruled by the math equation, there is only ever a balance for me. What can you get away with, versus what the song itself requires. When the equation is not balanced, I usually call that "punching your dick in the dark"...But Riding the universes waves always requires a mystical flying carpet of smoke for me. Which might work out to be something called "Feel" in the end. A. 100% feel and instinct. Extensive A/B testing is for selling gear and testing to see if somethings wrong. B and 2 together. Because I do both for different reasons. Balance and static levels with Faders with Actual Faders, or a Fake ones with Mouse. or Fake plastic ones too. But for certain things I don't need to "feel", automation. Honestly though, maybe 10-1000 times I need to do use "feel" as a barometer. Things I have done them 10,000 times before, are different, as I know what I need and can actually just do it faster and easier with the visual representation of a waveform and a pencil tool. A and 1 together. Is this cheating? I am starting to see I am cheating hehe But I use my ears as a start point. Which leads to use of my eyes for control, so I like to also drop and analyzer on it to check my ears. Maybe I am starting to consider the use of my eyes and ears, not solely for either mystical or mathematical methods. Both senses have objective realities, which need to be paid attention to while working. Thankfully, my extreme ADHD allows me to "switch around" a lot and make sure my brain is checking things properly. A. Faith, feel, intuition. I only look for empirical data when I am curious or whenever someone else is asking for it. I do not use empirical data as a starting point. I only use experience to follow pathways. Following an empirical path, can be similar to following a blind path. A and 1 together. If possible. But if the question is initial approach...I always first approach things with an artistic perspective and only after I get where I am trying to go, I use an analytical one to verify the correctness of my choices. I guess this would make me an 1 here. I like to use Compression and Limiting, rather than Automation. Automation can be used for thousands of different things, but compression and limiting for holding levels and peaks in place. A. Yes. But I am also methodical. I just make gut choices that are flying through my mind as "would be" good choices. I somehow think its the same. But I can see sitting around never making a decision until you die, as a bad thing. I am torn on this one. But I would say A. I approach it with whoever is there. Sometimes its only me. I cannot really say which I prefer. There are times when the collaboration can be annoying and there are times where I have a lot of fun. There are times when mixing with myself is a useless endeavor and times when only I can be there. A. For sure. Another tough thing to balance in my world. But I do all styles of music, human acoustic and robot electronic. Sometimes both at the same time. I shy away from editing human music with entirely bad performances, in most cases. But, it depends on how much I am getting paid 5. Though, I would always prefer to have a real human acoustic sound. But it certainly depends on the room in question. IF you cannot beat a MIDI sample...I guess your room kinda sucks, LOL. I have no problem working a little harder to lock in something with a robot and a little ambience. Unless the entire Record is made up of one cheesy sound, I will likely be OK with MIDI stuff. A. I like the air in between the mic and the source. Not so much the boosted treble. But I love when musicians move the air around nicely. Sometimes the clinical dry dead thing is good for certain things. Another tool in the tool shed. Not used often, unless you are forced to or make it a style approach. A and 1. Both. There is that awesome saying...."Genius is knowing when to keep your mistakes"....But there is a definite correctness here. Lets call this one a 5. As I suppose I cannot answer both on this one, or I would cancel myself out. So I am going with Subtraction at the moment. Though you have to start somewhere, dont cha? hehehe A. It certainly can. Just like in life, you can learn from your mistakes, as in...not repeating them. [This would probably be a 1 vote for math] but I find a better answer...You can embrace the flow of the universe and understand what its purpose is for at that moment. A and 1. Why can't I use both??? If I had to prefer one thing, objectively, it would be computer recall.
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Post by swurveman on Aug 28, 2017 10:17:15 GMT -6
Both
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Post by svart on Aug 28, 2017 11:25:47 GMT -6
The short answer is "it depends". When I started out, I was really just flying by the seat of my pants and doing things that I thought sounded good without much concern for anything else. Later, I convinced myself that others might know better, so I started emulating everything I was reading and started doing things more clinically, fixing some of the overt issues with my mixes, but also losing some of the feel and creativity.
So a few decades later, I've ended up at a point where I clinically know where my gear mostly sounds best, and have chosen my gear based on clinical analysis of the "sound" it imparts on the audio, but I've tried very hard to go back to just listening and turning knobs until it sounds good.
I'd say that I use a mix (pun intended) of both mystical and mathematical work and it just depends on whether I like what I'm getting out of a mix, or if the mix needs major help.
Sorry to seem vague, but it's not something that I can really explain without going into ridiculous detail!
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Post by jazznoise on Aug 28, 2017 15:09:22 GMT -6
I think almost everyone sees themselves as a mix of the 2, as that's what the job dictates, but I imagine most people see me as more problem solving than creative. I learn things, and I read a lot of technical papers when I was first learning and I try to apply that understanding creatively. Sometimes it is - today I was running drum loops into the MS-20 and hand triggering the filter with the keyboard, tomorrow I'm using my bathroom as an echo chamber. But a lot of the time it's planning recording sessions meticulously and selecting mic's based on technical advantages, including understanding of things like the propagation patterns of various instruments.
I think it requires a huge amount of technical knowledge to be a genuinely creative engineer and I think being a creative engineer often means doing what the client wants with as little compromise as possible, rather than just parlor tricks.
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Post by thehightenor on Aug 28, 2017 16:21:45 GMT -6
The most important lesson I have learnt in all things creative is,
Have no fixed set of rules, have no fixed set of methods.
Just have a creative vision and learn to free your mind on the path to realising that vision.
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Post by popmann on Aug 28, 2017 16:45:38 GMT -6
I have been thinking about this. I think I go back and forth....literally during the process. I start with OCD track level setting....organized bussing....sort of "audio problem solving" at the track level....then, I come back and while I don't think "mystical" would be the word I use, I mix quickly. THEN, there's another round of troubleshooting based on context....then at the end, I'm usually mostly listening over and over for an hour or two....sitting back away from the desk, seeing what sort of "pulls me" in the wrong direction....addrress....come back and check the prints with fresh ears in the AM before moving to the next tune.
I think a lot of the big name guys get away with being more "work quickly from the gut" because they have interns and assistants to do all the math before hand for them.
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Post by jazznoise on Aug 28, 2017 16:52:34 GMT -6
popmann of course, the sausage still has to get made. I think it's a funny curve - I think cheap/low end projects are simple or can be in that there's no expectation so work can easily satisfy, and that at high levels everyone else is so skilled you'd really have to drop the ball to mess up the quality of recorded material you're being handed (and you've much less on your mind besides your specific task). I think in the middle, where you've a moderate setup and the bands are at a level where they can't afford to invest a gigantic amount but still are giving a sizable enough chunk of money to expect a good return is where the real difficulty is.
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Post by wiz on Aug 28, 2017 16:52:45 GMT -6
I have been thinking about this. I think I go back and forth....literally during the process. I start with OCD track level setting....organized bussing....sort of "audio problem solving" at the track level....then, I come back and while I don't think "mystical" would be the word I use, I mix quickly. THEN, there's another round of troubleshooting based on context....then at the end, I'm usually mostly listening over and over for an hour or two....sitting back away from the desk, seeing what sort of "pulls me" in the wrong direction....addrress....come back and check the prints with fresh ears in the AM before moving to the next tune. I think a lot of the big name guys get away with being more "work quickly from the gut" because they have interns and assistants to do all the math before hand for them. I feel like this... also , big difference when you are the creator as well... when I mix other peoples stuff, I am decisive and confident... cheers Wiz
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Post by M57 on Aug 28, 2017 17:02:42 GMT -6
I'm a musician first and and amateur engineer at best - so Clueless is probably a better descriptor for me.
But I love wearing all the hats. I enjoy mixing. My ADD never lets me finish a mix. I have a musical vision, but I almost never have a clear picture of what the final product should sound like. I track and mix, then track and mix some more. Then master - then go back and re-track or maybe add another track - then remaster. Luckily, time is my friend. My waveform screen is a mess. I have tracks sent to busses that might be sent to more busses such that the routing usually ends up rivaling the complexity of the NY transit system - and it doesn't help that Logic doesn't let you rearrange channels all that easily in the mix window.
I prefer to close my eyes when EQing, but I watch the meter like a hawk when compressing. I can agonize over automation lines for hours, but I prefer precisely places single points over curves and the paths generally look herky-jerky. My gain-staging is informed by a set of rules that I think is mathematical, but most of you would surely call it voodoo.
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Post by mrholmes on Aug 28, 2017 20:23:39 GMT -6
. My ADD never lets me finish a mix. There is just one way to solve this take your Ritalin....
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Post by ChaseUTB on Aug 29, 2017 4:37:50 GMT -6
I'm a musician first and and amateur engineer at best - so Clueless is probably a better descriptor for me. But I love wearing all the hats. I enjoy mixing. My ADD never lets me finish a mix. I have a musical vision, but I almost never have a clear picture of what the final product should sound like. I track and mix, then track and mix some more. Then master - then go back and re-track or maybe add another track - then remaster. Luckily, time is my friend. My waveform screen is a mess. I have tracks sent to busses that might be sent to more busses such that the routing usually ends up rivaling the complexity of the NY transit system - and it doesn't help that Logic doesn't let you rearrange channels all that easily in the mix window. I prefer to close my eyes when EQing, but I watch the meter like a hawk when compressing. I can agonize over automation lines for hours, but I prefer precisely places single points over curves and the paths generally look herky-jerky. My gain-staging is informed by a set of rules that I think is mathematical, but most of you would surely call it voodoo. Og Kush or a nice indica sativa hybrid really does wonders for slowing down the brain processes to focus on the task at hand Aka mixing ... try it sometime ... it also does wonders for other ailments and pain associated with muscles and bones
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Post by Ward on Aug 29, 2017 13:53:22 GMT -6
OK. Hands up who's lying
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 29, 2017 15:57:26 GMT -6
Mystical by far. The only "math" I do is to not track too hot and keep the master fader below the red. I do volume automation on a few things like vocals and electric guitar, maybe on bass, but rarely.
There's a point when a mix sounds like a song, one where musicians played it together and a vibe happens in some spots. To me, that's when the mix is done. I could pick a half dozen things I'd prefer to be different on many final mixes of mine, but when it has the right feel, I leave it there. I've tried to improve some of these finals unsuccessfully, and I get superstitious I might lose it by overplaying my hand.
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Post by duke on Aug 29, 2017 22:55:11 GMT -6
I've really enjoyed reading this thread. I'm not one of you guys, just a speaker geek. But I've been consistently impressed with how conscientious and competent you guys are, and this thread is like a peek into how your minds/spirits work.
Gotta admit this stood out to me, pulled from one of jazznoise's posts: "I learn things, I read a lot of technical papers, and I try to apply that understanding creatively." Me too.
In my world, the analog of "mixing" would be "crossover design."
In the first or Measurements stage, math totally rules, so I'm probably a "1". I run a LOT of measurements - gotta have good data and LOTS of it.
Next comes the Design stage, now I'm a "4", the shift being to make room for psychoacoustic considerations, but if anything I'm actually using MORE math.
Finally comes the Tweaking stage, and now I'm probably a "C"... I'm mainly listening (and FEELING) for WHAT'S WRONG, using psychoacoustics and math to figure out what might be causing whatever problem(s) I still hear, and then using math to devise a solution. So at this final stage, how it sounds/how it feels is the master, and math has become the servant.
Yeah I know that probably has little if any relevance in this thread... which is why I posted the short version...
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Post by christopher on Sept 4, 2017 13:21:57 GMT -6
when I dial in a plugin I've been guilty of choosing settings with decimals that are 7's and 3's., as if that's lucky.
It's actually why I've stopped using the computer so much,, the giant numbers freak me out and mess with my ability to listen objectively. In analog I don't know what numbers things are at. I'd freak for sure if I saw -18.66 db cut, and I wouldn't even try it.
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