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Post by ragan on Nov 9, 2017 0:19:07 GMT -6
Hey so what's the mic array you get to work with in SD3?
I'm a little bit seriously considering trying out a Roland TD-25KV kit with SD3. How much would I have to work with for mixing? Are there close 'kit' mics? Or other mono room mics? Or is it just the shells and standard pair/stereo rooms?
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 9, 2017 3:00:38 GMT -6
Check out that video, they got mikes all over the room for the surround sound and close miked too!
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Post by ragan on Nov 13, 2017 0:44:13 GMT -6
Anyone think this will be on sale forblack Friday??
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 13, 2017 3:32:01 GMT -6
I doubt it as it was just released ? Will you rent the e drums to try ?
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 13, 2017 9:24:10 GMT -6
This is somewhat out of the blue, but using a digital drum set made me think of this... Some have mentioned about how these drums aren’t “loud” which is true. Sometimes playing with maschine can be unsatisfying...don’t really know how to describe it. It’s like I can’t hit the drums hard enough on a consistent basis. I would think playing with sticks might be a solution, though.
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Post by ragan on Nov 13, 2017 10:31:56 GMT -6
This is somewhat out of the blue, but using a digital drum set made me think of this... Some have mentioned about how these drums aren’t “loud” which is true. Sometimes playing with maschine can be unsatisfying...don’t really know how to describe it. It’s like I can’t hit the drums hard enough on a consistent basis. I would think playing with sticks might be a solution, though. Can’t you just edit the velocity?
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Post by indiehouse on Nov 13, 2017 10:42:39 GMT -6
Anyone think this will be on sale forblack Friday?? I'd be surprised if it wasn't. Software is usually always on sale on BF somewhere.
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 13, 2017 11:13:36 GMT -6
^^This^^ I hope !
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Post by matt on Nov 13, 2017 19:32:40 GMT -6
I would think playing with sticks might be a solution, though. IMO edrums + an actual human drummer makes a big difference in the power and dynamics of a performance. But, at the beginning I had to learn to calibrate the midi velocity curve to stop all the hit values from being in the 120s - or even 127. My drummer is aggressive, bless him. In BFD, most of the sample sets begin to sound unnatural at those values, with the triggered sample sounding like the drummer hit the drum as hard as possible. Accurate, yes, but tonality and feel suffers. Not the best result. It's easy to fix in PT or any midi editor - reduce hit velocity into the sweet spot (80-110 for BFD), and Rock On.
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Post by ragan on Nov 13, 2017 23:12:52 GMT -6
I've finally read all the stuff and watched all the stuff and I'm gonna have to give this a whirl. Gonna jump off the deep end with a Roland TD-25KV and SD3.
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Post by ragan on Nov 14, 2017 2:10:07 GMT -6
Hey dudes. Here’s a dumb question. Do I need the brain part of a V Drum setup? Is it the part that creates the MIDI data or do the drums themselves?
I’m kind of assuming it’s the brain.
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 14, 2017 5:51:44 GMT -6
Unfortunately, I think you still need the brain to transmit the trigger data, through midi to your daw and the drum program with e drums, teh "drum' is really just a trigger with a skin.
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 14, 2017 5:56:18 GMT -6
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Post by wiz on Nov 14, 2017 15:05:31 GMT -6
I hope it works out for you , ragan, however my guess is you are going to end up going back to a drum kit and mics.... Cheers Wiz
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Post by matt on Nov 14, 2017 16:30:40 GMT -6
Hey dudes. Here’s a dumb question. Do I need the brain part of a V Drum setup? Is it the part that creates the MIDI data or do the drums themselves? I’m kind of assuming it’s the brain. Yes, you need a brain to translate the triggered hits into midi data that gets recorded in your DAW. After some initial configuration work, you should be good to go.
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Post by ragan on Nov 14, 2017 17:01:38 GMT -6
I hope it works out for you , ragan, however my guess is you are going to end up going back to a drum kit and mics.... Cheers Wiz You may be right, but I’m keen to chase this down. I’ve got an 8 week old and a 3 year old and I’m in school so I’m in adapt-mode. Whatever allows me to make more music in less hours is of great interest to me. I’m likely going to be building a two storey garage building where the top floor will be studio space. At that point, recording my acoustic drums would be a lot easier but that wouldn’t be complete for at least a year.
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 14, 2017 17:03:32 GMT -6
A father's (recording) work is never done !
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Post by BenjaminAshlin on Nov 14, 2017 18:37:03 GMT -6
This is my midi kit. It has a few more toms now. The Roland brains are great with SD2 and EZDrummer 2 i can only imagine how much better SD3 is. I can never make it play nicely with SSD though. They do take a bit of calibration to get setup first. Its a far better than programming in the DAW or playing on pads/keyboard.YMMV
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Post by ragan on Nov 14, 2017 18:58:55 GMT -6
This is my midi kit. It has a few more toms now. The Roland brains are great with SD2 and EZDrummer 2 i can only imagine how much better SD3 is. I can never make it play nicely with SSD though. They do take a bit of calibration to get setup first. Its a far better than programming in the DAW or playing on pads/keyboard.YMMV That's what I'm hoping. I'm not interested in programming drums with pads or whatever. Been drumming too long. I just want to get the performance with my hands and feet and a pair of sticks. The actual sonics of SD3 are utterly convincing to me. It'll just be a matter of feel and workflow. I'm super pumped to try it. SSD issues aren't a problem for me since I can't stand the sounds of 90+% of Slate samples.
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Post by wiz on Nov 14, 2017 22:53:27 GMT -6
Hi hat response has always been the Achilles heel with this stuff.
Cheers
Wiz
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Post by ragan on Nov 15, 2017 0:45:07 GMT -6
Hi hat response has always been the Achilles heel with this stuff. Cheers Wiz Indeed. Here's some SD3 played on the Roland stuff. This is the best I've heard/seen as far as interaction/playability. I mean, as much as I can tell by a video.
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Post by ragan on Nov 16, 2017 16:51:55 GMT -6
Hey so I'm pretty much a MIDI newb. I need a long cable to get the MIDI out of the TD-25 brain into the DAW to record it. Is there any difference between just a MIDI to USB cable and a standalone MIDI/USB router box thing? Also, does MIDI care about length, cable wise?
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Post by popmann on Nov 16, 2017 17:09:20 GMT -6
Yes--you shouldn't use a USB at all. All a "USB MIDI" is....is a midi INTERFACE with a USB plug--a MIDI cable is a CABLE....ie, not inducing it's own ANYTHING to the party. I've used long ones...short ones--it doesn't matter, because "MIDI: incapable of reproducing a human performance since 1986!"
That's actually the flaw in your plan. I've seen this work very well---replacing the functional need for a kit in a home studio. Doesn't involve MIDI. You set up a second PC running the drum instrument standa alone with a PCI/e interface that can run low latency and provide you the analog outs needed to record the audio as the drummer plays in you main DAW. The red flag in this for me is when someone says it's for saving time or money, I chuckle. It will cost far more in both areas. It's something you do because you HAVE to....not to save time or money.
Anyway....MIDI cable from the brain to your interface's MIDI input is the cleanest/fastest way to go.
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Post by ragan on Nov 16, 2017 17:43:34 GMT -6
Yes--you shouldn't use a USB at all. All a "USB MIDI" is....is a midi INTERFACE with a USB plug--a MIDI cable is a CABLE....ie, not inducing it's own ANYTHING to the party. I've used long ones...short ones--it doesn't matter, because "MIDI: incapable of reproducing a human performance since 1986!" That's actually the flaw in your plan. I've seen this work very well---replacing the functional need for a kit in a home studio. Doesn't involve MIDI. You set up a second PC running the drum instrument standa alone with a PCI/e interface that can run low latency and provide you the analog outs needed to record the audio as the drummer plays in you main DAW. The red flag in this for me is when someone says it's for saving time or money, I chuckle. It will cost far more in both areas. It's something you do because you HAVE to....not to save time or money. Anyway....MIDI cable from the brain to your interface's MIDI input is the cleanest/fastest way to go. Thanks Jamie. Except the Symphony MKII doesn't have MIDI I don't think (I'm not at home right now). I always use USB for what few MIDI tasks I do.
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 16, 2017 17:55:59 GMT -6
I’m not sure why usb would be bad
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