|
Post by Martin John Butler on Jun 17, 2017 22:08:48 GMT -6
Hmm.. that's interesting, thanks Chase. I'll wait for the reviews.
I have Auto-Tune, and Logic's Flex Pitch. Both create artifacts, and often, you can't get rid of them as they corrupt the original file somehow. I always run a bounce to a new track as a safety before even trying to mess with a vocal. I didn't use any pitch correction on my upcoming release, but I wouldn't have minded using it sparingly on a few words here and there if it sounded right.
I just don't want to spend so much on Melodyne because I'd only use it only occasionally.
|
|
|
Post by ChaseUTB on Jun 17, 2017 23:12:28 GMT -6
Hmm.. that's interesting, thanks Chase. I'll wait for the reviews. I have Auto-Tune, and Logic's Flex Pitch. Both create artifacts, and often, you can't get rid of them as they corrupt the original file somehow. I always run a bounce to a new track as a safety before even trying to mess with a vocal. I didn't use any pitch correction on my upcoming release, but I wouldn't have minded using it sparingly on a few words here and there if it sounded right. I just don't want to spend so much on Melodyne because I'd only use it only occasionally. Look into graphical mode if you have auto tune.
|
|
|
Post by Martin John Butler on Jun 18, 2017 8:35:15 GMT -6
Thanks, I barely got into auto tune because it was a PITA to use, but I'll revisit next time around. Apple's Flex Pitch is brilliant, and easy to use, but the artifact thing is just plain weird and renders it semi useless.
|
|
|
Post by Johnkenn on Jun 18, 2017 9:04:49 GMT -6
|
|
|
Post by ragan on Jun 18, 2017 9:53:56 GMT -6
Oh man, I'm feeling that too John. I got I got $450 in credit when I got my Apollo, spent $525. I figured that should have filled in any gaps in my setup, but of course there's always one or two things you end up wanting. If UAD came up with something as good as Melodyne or Fab Filter's pro-q2, I might jump on it, otherwise, I'm done with plugs. I have the Waves Mercury bundle, and use maybe 3 or 4 of the plugs now. If you want something like ProQ2 (and you should:)) why would you want it to be on UAD platform? It would be more expensive AND eat your UAD DSP. Plus there's just no way it would be as good as ProQ2 in my view. I'm such a huge fan of that plug (and all the FF I have). ProQ2 is the only plugin EQ I've been using for about a year or so. I just can't get myself to reach for anything else. Everything goes through hardware EQs when I'm tracking and then once ITB it's all ProQ2. Sorry, I'm a total evangelist for that plug
|
|
|
Post by Martin John Butler on Jun 18, 2017 10:55:05 GMT -6
That's cool. I'd just use it the same way you do.
UAD's platform works nicely for some things, but it's far from irreplaceable now that other companies have caught up. I always use the ATR-102 and Ocean Way, and only occasionally the Massive Passive, EMT-140 and LA2A.
My plan down the road is to keep the satellite for a few UAD plugs, sell the Apollo and move to the Symphony. That may take me a year though, and the Apollo is solid, so I'm OK with it for now.
|
|
|
Post by bartacusad on Jun 19, 2017 11:50:58 GMT -6
I just CANNOT make myself pull the trigger. I just stare at that $400 thinking..."I've done this before and never used the plugs..." Surely I can make shit sound good with the 500 plugs I have now... I've never found anything that does what the Zener does. There's just something intangible going on with it that is nearly impossible to replicate. The good thing is that its not a one trick pony.
|
|
|
Post by Johnkenn on Jun 19, 2017 17:11:08 GMT -6
I just CANNOT make myself pull the trigger. I just stare at that $400 thinking..."I've done this before and never used the plugs..." Surely I can make shit sound good with the 500 plugs I have now... I've never found anything that does what the Zener does. There's just something intangible going on with it that is nearly impossible to replicate. The good thing is that its not a one trick pony. You use the real thing or the plug?
|
|
|
Post by bartacusad on Jun 20, 2017 7:01:58 GMT -6
I've never found anything that does what the Zener does. There's just something intangible going on with it that is nearly impossible to replicate. The good thing is that its not a one trick pony. You use the real thing or the plug? The plug
|
|
|
Post by Johnkenn on Jun 20, 2017 7:57:55 GMT -6
Damnit. You're not helping me keep my money. I haven't really found anything that does that either. Maybe the Boz Labs +10B complex looking thing...but I run out of input dirtiness for a parallel bus.
|
|
|
Post by Johnkenn on Jun 22, 2017 20:07:40 GMT -6
I've been avoiding doing this (as I've said in my last 39 posts) but I think I've finally decided to go with the 3 for $399. Maybe the Zener, AT (I've never had it)/SSL collection and then the BA-15. I've been really thinking about another DA...but it's soooo much money for such a small improvement at this point. I tried a Hilo a while back...and while I heard a slight improvement/tightness in the bottom, I didn't think it was enough that it would particularly change my mixing. I guess we are all looking for that magic thing that we can pop on and go "oh that solves everything." But I have to remember that it doesn't really exist...soooo, I know I loved what the Zener did on drum bus. I thought the SSL was really good, but not sure it's not something I can't get with the Grey or Waves version. I thought the BA-15 was really impressive on top of already recorded bass.
|
|
|
Post by kcatthedog on Jun 22, 2017 20:35:38 GMT -6
Not certain if ssl collection is considered 1 plug for a 3 plug bundle deal ?
|
|
|
Post by Johnkenn on Jun 22, 2017 20:43:54 GMT -6
I think so...Well, I mean at least the G Bus comp and the legacy...maybe it's not called that...
|
|
|
Post by ChaseUTB on Jun 22, 2017 23:30:09 GMT -6
I think so...Well, I mean at least the G Bus comp and the legacy...maybe it's not called that... Have you ran your demos out yet? If not keep demoing, think you got a couple more days that the sale is active! A lot of users of the new ssl bus comp are raving about it..
|
|
|
Post by Johnkenn on Jun 22, 2017 23:37:59 GMT -6
I liked the G bus. probably get it...but I'm not as big an SSL comp guy as most. That smackiness.
|
|
|
Post by ChaseUTB on Jun 22, 2017 23:44:54 GMT -6
I don't know I like api2500 ( waves ) for drum and mix bus over the waves ssl... would love the UAD versions, just so much dsp per usage and $$$$ even with the 3 for $399 that's $400 bucks 🤦♂️
|
|
|
Post by Martin John Butler on Jun 23, 2017 7:09:15 GMT -6
I have the UAD API 2500, and it is great on drums, but sometimes a little too strong on the 2 bus. It might be I'm not very familiar with it and need to dial in less of it with the mix knob.
|
|
|
Post by Johnkenn on Jun 23, 2017 7:27:15 GMT -6
My judge on the drum bus is always this: how much excitement can I cause? How much of the room can I bring out? Ultimately, from my brief time with the 2500, I though it was more of a "control" comp than a character comp. I feel like I have the control covered with either the Fairchild (which I find has an amazing amount of clean control) or - well shit, I can't think of one off the top of my head. The Zener is - to me - totally all about color. With what you do, MJB - and a lot of what I do - the 2500 would do perfectly well. But in dense mixes, I find myself wanting that distortion.
|
|
|
Post by Martin John Butler on Jun 23, 2017 8:10:08 GMT -6
I think you're right John, you need those edges in a dense mix to bring clarity to the important parts. I used the 2500 on 2 or 3 mixes out of 10, so it's kind of an "as needed" plug.
I haven't tracked in a while, been busy mastering. I have only one track left to finish, then I'll put the songs I've worked on for three years out as an album.
Next time I get to recording new songs, I want to try some new things. First, I'll try not to rush. I was always tracking in between working. I'll try a 96k sample rate, take much more care with mic placement, never printing hot. It took me years to get it into my head that red in digital is death, I was so analogue, a little in the red was always my friend.
I'm going to try the Liquidsonics 7th Heaven as my "room" sound instead of the Ocean Way, and see if my tracks get cleaner. I'll have the Stam SA73 by next week, so I'm hopeful that might be better fit for me than my other preamps were. I'm also going to try not to sing too hard. Many of the musicians whose work I admire are far from over-singing. Lyle Lovett, Mark Knopfler and Ryan Adams rarely hit it really hard.
|
|
|
Post by Guitar on Jul 11, 2017 13:37:10 GMT -6
My 3 go-to mix bus compressors are the SSL type, the UAD Fairchild, and the TDR Kotelnikov (a little cleaner) depending on what vibe I'm after. I haven't demo'd the Chandler or API yet..
I just tried the Klanghelm MJUC on drum bus and I was like, "Holy shit, there's a Ringo sound!" The way it shapes the bass drum especially is Beatles-esque.
I think the 1176 is pretty standard for adding some excitement, for me.
And a lot of times, DBX type of stuff if I'm out of the box (hybrid) and sometimes ITB as well with the Native Instruments VC 160 which is my favorite ITB dbx plugin.
I have been using the heck out of both the new UAD SSL channel strip and the Neve 1073 lately, and it's getting quick and potent results. Having the preamp knob to drive things is huge. The legacy versions are good for drum close mics to save DSP on my pathetic Quad setup. Use the big one on the drum bus and lead instruments. Also the Unison preamps are very nice for both the SSL and the Neve. Gives two "flavors" of drum set capture for me.
I've also been trying out the new Steinberg Frequency EQ since I have Cubase Pro 9 now. That's a really nice clean EQ with a quick and moderately powerful workflow. Not sure if it will replace Pro Q2 or not, but we'll see.
|
|
|
Post by Martin John Butler on Jul 11, 2017 15:25:36 GMT -6
I've used the Ocean Way plug-in on almost every tracks since I got it. On my last two tracks I've substituted the Liquid Sonics 7th Heaven reverb for the UAD Ocean Way plug-in as my main reverb, and the tracks are cleaner. It's a drag how something can seem great and a year or two later seem just OK.
|
|
|
Post by ChaseUTB on Jul 11, 2017 22:21:16 GMT -6
I've used the Ocean Way plug-in on almost every tracks since I got it. On my last two tracks I've substituted the Liquid Sonics 7th Heaven reverb for the UAD Ocean Way plug-in as my main reverb, and the tracks are cleaner. It's a drag how something can seem great and a year or two later seem just OK. Or you could look at it positively and say you're growing as an engineer/ artist/ songwriter and now hearing faults in your old mixes that you can now improve 😎
|
|
|
Post by Martin John Butler on Jul 11, 2017 22:31:52 GMT -6
I wouldn't argue with that ;-)
|
|