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Post by ragan on Jun 13, 2017 7:06:35 GMT -6
There isn't any "Unison" happening without the plug being able to physically interact with the hardware mic pre. Otherwise it's just the plugin, which is exactly what you already get with just the DSP but no Apollo pres. Yep, but you should still be able to use the plugs as designed without the preamp/interface. You get a pretty graphic that doesn't give you all the features without buying their interface. Cool stuff though, I have used their stuff and I am very familiar with the setup. I left the platform. I miss using a few of their plugs is all, but they aren't the unison plugs, so maybe a satellite is in the future, waiting to see their next move. I don't quite understand. How is a UAD plugin supposed to affect the impedance and gain of someone else's preamp that wasn't designed to be digitally controlled by that plug? |
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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 13, 2017 7:31:05 GMT -6
There isn't any "Unison" happening without the plug being able to physically interact with the hardware mic pre. Otherwise it's just the plugin, which is exactly what you already get with just the DSP but no Apollo pres. Yep, but you should still be able to use the plugs as designed without the preamp/interface. You get a pretty graphic that doesn't give you all the features without buying their interface. Cool stuff though, I have used their stuff and I am very familiar with the setup. I left the platform. I miss using a few of their plugs is all, but they aren't the unison plugs, so maybe a satellite is in the future, waiting to see their next move. Maybe I am misunderstanding you but right now, if you run a unison plug in in the non unison slot , you get all its other software features but no unison/impedence working on the Apollo pre.
so I think the current situation does what you want as you can run the unison plug ins from a satalite inn UA console gui as software plugs ins without the pre component ?
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Post by guitfiddler on Jun 13, 2017 7:31:52 GMT -6
With not having the preamp/interface to control the unison technology, you instantiate the channel-strip plug, but don't get the unison technology, so does that mean it responds way different and doesn't sound the same? You don't get all the features of the plugins without unison technology. That is what I meant, you have to run it through the interface to get the tone that unison imparts. So, when you buy the satellite you don't get all the features of the unison plugins. It would be nice to get that variable tone, but then it is controlled by the preamp gain, so the satellite is just another way of using more power at mixdown within the daw minus the unison technology. However, you only have a quad for your realtime unison processing in the interface which limits you for large tracking sessions, unless you buy more interfaces...I didn't want this to turn into a huge UAD squabble. It just didn't work for me as intended, but I was an early adopter and a lot has changed since I jumped ship. It was merely an experiment for my own trials, the technology wasn't quite there yet when they introduced silverface.
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Post by ragan on Jun 13, 2017 7:39:19 GMT -6
With not having the preamp/interface to control the unison technology, you instantiate the channel-strip plug, but don't get the unison technology, so does that mean it responds way different and doesn't sound the same? You don't get all the features of the plugins without unison technology. That is what I meant, you have to run it through the interface to get the tone that unison imparts. So, when you buy the satellite you don't get all the features of the unison plugins. It would be nice to get that variable tone, but then it is controlled by the preamp gain, so the satellite is just another way of using more power at mixdown within the daw minus the unison technology. However, you only have a quad for your realtime unison processing in the interface which limits you for large tracking sessions, unless you buy more interfaces... Ok but "Unison" means the gain and impedance of the hardware preamp is digitally controlled by the UAD plug. There's simply no way anyone else's preamps are going to be controlled that way because they weren't designed for it. If you want the features of UA's preamps and emulations, you have to buy UA's preamps and emulations. I guess I'm just not understanding what the complaint is. |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jun 13, 2017 7:43:24 GMT -6
That's about right guitfiddler. It's not a cheat, it's a feature of some UAD products. There's no way for them to make their proprietary technology work on all the analogue preamps in the world.
It's not a huge difference, but that's one thing that gives UAD an advantage, and of course, we pay for that advantage. I certainly wouldn't buy an Apollo for their Unison tech, but it's a nice bonus I guess. I've barely used it. With bigger Apollo rigs, it could be a nice addition to a small studio, where having a bunch of 1073 emulations might come in handy, especially if they have one or two 1073's already and want to keep the tone in the same family.
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Post by guitfiddler on Jun 13, 2017 7:49:45 GMT -6
Maybe I just miss spoke or you miss understood. I know that you need the interface for the unison plugs to use the unison features. If you get a satellite, you don't get those features. That's all...lol. I meant just in the UAD system.
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Post by ragan on Jun 13, 2017 7:55:01 GMT -6
They need to give us the unison technology with the satellites. Just doesn't make sense to me to be in a closed system. It was this post that lost me I think. Impossible to have "Unison technology" on just a DSP card. Has to be the interface/preamps by definition. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 13, 2017 7:55:24 GMT -6
I think we are overcomplicating this, the unison pre loads the apollo pre with the impedance of the emulated pre everything else is the software. This can be used for tracking only with on board apollo dsp.
You can use the unison pre without the impedance loading during mixing with either a satalite or on board apollo l dsp, you can still generate the emulated distortion of the plug in and use the plug ins other features what ever they are.
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Post by guitfiddler on Jun 13, 2017 8:43:52 GMT -6
Yes, and half off prices for UAD! Lol. Not making fun, just having fun.
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Post by guitfiddler on Jun 13, 2017 8:48:58 GMT -6
They need to give us the unison technology with the satellites. Just doesn't make sense to me to be in a closed system. It was this post that lost me I think. Impossible to have "Unison technology" on just a DSP card. Has to be the interface/preamps by definition. I tried to make it work to incorporate it into my system, but the conversion just wasn't on par with what I already owned. I haven't heard the blackface yet, I don't hate UAD either. I like it, just didn't work for me. |
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Post by ragan on Jun 13, 2017 9:40:51 GMT -6
It was this post that lost me I think. Impossible to have "Unison technology" on just a DSP card. Has to be the interface/preamps by definition. I tried to make it work to incorporate it into my system, but the conversion just wasn't on par with what I already owned. I haven't heard the blackface yet, I don't hate UAD either. I like it, just didn't work for me. Yeah I'm not saying get an Apollo, just pointing out that you'll never be able to have "Unison technology" without the hardware preamp counterpart. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 13, 2017 9:47:54 GMT -6
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Post by wreck on Jun 13, 2017 14:53:58 GMT -6
Sounds like I may be the only big fan of the Unison tech. It's like hot sauce for me. Every track. Just sounds better generally. Mostly the 610 for vox, acoustic and keys, API for electric guitar and bass. Drums have been programmed lately. Still with the silverface too. Plenty happy.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Jun 13, 2017 16:33:19 GMT -6
Never used it because it's tied to OS X and I use a stable, repeatable, recallable setup. Once I upgrade I will see what the fuss is about 🤓
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jun 13, 2017 17:28:17 GMT -6
OS X's been around a long time Chase, you won't have any issues, (I don't think). Sierra's very stable.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Jun 13, 2017 20:27:32 GMT -6
OS X's been around a long time Chase, you won't have any issues, (I don't think). Sierra's very stable. I use Lion 10.7 ... Unison is not tested on this version of OS X.. |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jun 13, 2017 20:39:37 GMT -6
Why not try Sierra? It's been solid for quite aa while now.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Jun 14, 2017 14:50:10 GMT -6
Why not try Sierra? It's been solid for quite aa while now. I prefer a stable 100% machine and have not upgraded all of my 32 but plugs (95% there ) 🤠 ... I have not stress tested any OS X beside El Capitan, which some say is ehhhh... unfortunately there is another new OS X coming shortly.. It never stops.. So if I move to Sierra now, High Sierra drops in a month or so then I'm behind again... so might as well stay with what works lol |
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Post by reddirt on Jun 14, 2017 15:01:00 GMT -6
Yep, it's a connundrum , i'm still on Snow leopard with 'Tools 10.3.9 and it's super stable.
Means i can't access any new plugs which is probably a god send to my pocket.
Cheers
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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 14, 2017 15:29:15 GMT -6
We need to keep superwack more busy !  |
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Post by ChaseUTB on Jun 14, 2017 16:05:17 GMT -6
I prefer a stable 100% machine and have not upgraded all of my 32 but plugs (95% there ) 🤠 ... I have not stress tested any OS X beside El Capitan, which some say is ehhhh... unfortunately there is another new OS X coming shortly.. It never stops.. So if I move to Sierra now, High Sierra drops in a month or so then I'm behind again... so might as well stay with what works lol HA... you said BUT PLUGS  Forever quoted and left for the wall of auto correct shame 😂😭 |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 17, 2017 10:22:54 GMT -6
So - tried out the G Bus comp and really liked it. I think the slate ssl thing gets a similar smackiness - maybe without being out as much room detail. I still really want the zener. I thought that did a dirty thing to a drum bus I can't get any other way. I also thought the API 550 and 560 were better than the waves counterpart. Hmm. Hate to spend the money on it but I might have to do the $399 thing.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 17, 2017 12:06:09 GMT -6
I just CANNOT make myself pull the trigger. I just stare at that $400 thinking..."I've done this before and never used the plugs..." Surely I can make shit sound good with the 500 plugs I have now...
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jun 17, 2017 17:18:38 GMT -6
Oh man, I'm feeling that too John. I got I got $450 in credit when I got my Apollo, spent $525. I figured that should have filled in any gaps in my setup, but of course there's always one or two things you end up wanting. If UAD came up with something as good as Melodyne or Fab Filter's pro-q2, I might jump on it, otherwise, I'm done with plugs.
I have the Waves Mercury bundle, and use maybe 3 or 4 of the plugs now.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Jun 17, 2017 18:56:09 GMT -6
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