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Post by Vincent R. on May 8, 2017 14:56:38 GMT -6
stam , I'm curious why the SA-47 is the same price as the SA-87. Generally most microphone companies charge more for tube mics. The answer may be as simple as adjusting for the R&D you put in on the SA-87 that wasn't needed on the SA-47, because you are using an established kit. In my mind if the SA-47 is $990, the SA-87 should be closer to $600. The SA-47 is 990 USD The SA-87 is 890 USD Building a PSU, buying the tubes and a slightly higher priced output transformer makes the difference of 100USD. It is much faster to build a 47 than an 87, 80% less components to solder All these mics are hand made by us in Chile. The capsule alone costs close to 250 with shipping. Thanks. My question wasn't meant to be critical. I was just curious. I appreciate you taking the time to answer.
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Post by Martin John Butler on May 8, 2017 15:57:59 GMT -6
Johnken wrote: "You're a Soyuz fan?" Oh, oh, my cover's blown, yep, I am a fan :-)
Here's why, there are quite a few good companies making great clones or mics "in the style of". John's new 251 is one example, Upton, Beesnees, Peluso, Max's IO, Cathedral, Warm, Stam, you name your own favorite. What I like about the Soyuz is that it's in the same league as these classic vintage high end mics, but actually sounds like itself. I doubt anyone can, (with the possible exception of Chandler), improve on the quality of the established giants. The human voice is still what it was 50 years ago, and the U47, M49, U67, C12, ELAM 251 captured it in a distinct way. They each have their own unique sound, but they're all big time, and capable of mind blowing quality when used with a compatible vocalist. I think the Soyuz can stand with all of them, it just depends if it's the best fit for the singer.
I love having an option that's not a compromise. No matter how great clones are, and believe me, I'd love a great U47 style mic, and the Stam may be the perfect package for me, but like Jeremy Gillespie said earlier, high end clones are usually just not in the same league, good as they may be.
I'm also glad that Chandler has made the REDD EMI 47. It's obviously in the style of the classic Neumann mics at Abbey Road, but from what I could tell in the sound files I heard, it has a little something special and is unique. So even without trying one for myself, you could say I'm a Chandler 47 fan too. It's unique, and competitive with the best ever.
Plus I really like the idea of a warranty.
I should also say I'm a fan because they don't cost $15,000, which is way out of my reach, and yet they're world class.
I'm curious if there any other new design mics that are competitive in the high end that aren't clones? I keep mentioning the Soyuz, and now the Chandler, because there doesn't seem to be many others relatively newly designed mics around that can go mano a mano with the vintage classics.
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Post by dandeurloo on May 8, 2017 22:13:22 GMT -6
No, Bowie is the Gold Standard for Nos tubes! Great customer service, great prices and he has ears to hear good from bad. I only buy from him, and recommend him highly!
At the time I asked Bowie to source the tubes he had no way to test them. Maybe he's since found a away to test them, but unless some one found a stash of these tubes that are made to a different standard then the rest, I find it hard to believe the tubes will stay quite. BTW, the data sheet has some interesting comment about that tube and mics.
I'm not at all trying to bash this product. If anything, I'm trying to save other people (Stam) the headache I had, specially at that price. The price is extremly cheap IMO for the headache. I would recommend finding another tube and have Dany build a pcb around that.
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Post by stam on May 9, 2017 0:09:41 GMT -6
Hi Guys,
Just letting you know the special offer has sold out in just 16 hours, that is crazy.
The current pre-order price is 890.00 and 990.00 in stock.
It is very likely that I will raise the price of this microphone to the 1.200USD area so those who reserved at 790.00-890.00 are really getting a bargain for all the work that has to be done to complete one!
For all those who are corncerned about about noise and technical issues I can just say let me worry about that, I will not put out a product that cant be realiable in time.
Many thanks for your support and its great to have so much feedback!
Joshua
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Post by ericn on May 9, 2017 6:18:42 GMT -6
Sometimes it can be difficult to get the Thiersch capsules too ! Remember these are individually hand assembled and in a world where everybody uses just in time inventory it's the little guy who ends up as last priority. I bet Neumann makes more capsules in a week than Thirsch makes in a year.
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Post by Martin John Butler on May 9, 2017 8:10:07 GMT -6
I've used three Thiersch capsules, two Blueline and one Redline. The difference isn't huge, and for male vocals, I preferred the redline.
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Post by ChaseUTB on May 9, 2017 12:24:08 GMT -6
A $300 increase? What is the reason for the price jump?
Good luck with this product, from the feedback from other well respected members, this seems to be the most challenging product to release so far.. Hope it is positive for you, seems like a huge undertaking πβοΈ
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Post by stam on May 9, 2017 14:11:46 GMT -6
Thiersch, Bouchard, Heiserman, they all cost about the same and are hand made quality products by great manufacturers with some differences between them, the problem is who can supply in quantities, Dany can only make a few a month for me, Thiersch can only sell me 5 a month as well (red line) and Eric can fortunately make a few more than that. None of them can make large quantities so I buy batches in advance from Eric, this way by the time the bodies and pcbs are completed I have enough to cover the pre-orders.
I coud have gone a different route, make thousands of them in the far east and probably make more profit out of them but I can only be calm if I know I offered the best that I was able to get and the best sounding variation I could find. ItΒ΄s time consuming, itΒ΄s a pain, it doesnΒ΄t leave a lot of margin but we are still growing and still in business so no complaints here.
Greetings guys and thanks for the support and trust!
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Post by stam on May 9, 2017 14:52:36 GMT -6
Which capsule and output transformer did you use? I assume the K47 Classic capsule offered by AMI and the BV08? Thanks Full AMI U47 kit, with all components needed, BV8Classic transformer, K47Classic capsule, NOS Telefunken EF800 tube, 47TSA Noval tube socket, Binder connector, made in USA 47RP-PSU , Accusound AT7 made in the USA cable, 47Box, 47 shock mount. Thanks for the feedback Jeremy! My build is different than the AMI U47 kits, we use a different capsule (quality hand made US capsule, the K47Classic was made in Taiwan as far as I know) and different output transformer thus you might find it closer sounding to the original 47, at least we do. We are also testing other output transformers right now. The capsule is 80% of the sound, or more, and I can guarantee you it will be a great capsule!
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Post by jeremygillespie on May 9, 2017 15:18:18 GMT -6
Full AMI U47 kit, with all components needed, BV8Classic transformer, K47Classic capsule, NOS Telefunken EF800 tube, 47TSA Noval tube socket, Binder connector, made in USA 47RP-PSU , Accusound AT7 made in the USA cable, 47Box, 47 shock mount. Thanks for the feedback Jeremy! My build is different than the AMI U47 kits, we use a different capsule (quality hand made US capsule, the K47Classic was made in Taiwan as far as I know) and different output transformer thus you might find it closer sounding to the original 47, at least we do. We are also testing other output transformers right now. The capsule is 80% of the sound, or more, and I can guarantee you it will be a great capsule! Just out of curiosity, what are you shooting your design against? Do you have a 47 with a VF14, or Nuvistor?
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Post by pope on May 9, 2017 15:22:08 GMT -6
stam , would it be possible to do some audio comparisons between the original 47 and yours?
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Post by BenjaminAshlin on May 9, 2017 15:23:06 GMT -6
Which capsule and output transformer did you use? I assume the K47 Classic capsule offered by AMI and the BV08? Thanks Full AMI U47 kit, with all components needed, BV8Classic transformer, K47Classic capsule, NOS Telefunken EF800 tube, 47TSA Noval tube socket, Binder connector, made in USA 47RP-PSU , Accusound AT7 made in the USA cable, 47Box, 47 shock mount. I have a based closely on Olivers design and agree that it wont sound exactly like the real deal.. But I would have thought that the K47Classic capsule would make up most of the difference in sound. I haven't heard the capsule myself but it appears to be a re-skinned capsule of Chinese origin. It probably sounds very good but different from an original Neumann M7.
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Post by Guitar on May 9, 2017 16:33:16 GMT -6
That Flea is a nice mic. I also think the Peluso's with the metal tubes sound pretty good, I have the SE version.
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Post by kcatthedog on May 9, 2017 18:46:16 GMT -6
Guess we all better grow a pair, if we are buying these 47's !
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Post by ChaseUTB on May 9, 2017 18:56:56 GMT -6
Re: Capsule Production: Hand made/ Pricing/ Quality:
If Eric can do 10 Production worthy hk47's in one month ( if everything works perfect and he is capable of 10 ) it looks like September before the first 50 capsules are ready for the 50 pre orders already taken... Stam just posted that he is ordering the components.... Then Stam has to build each unit. Also, this doesn't factor in any delays with parts suppliers which unfortunately has happened before for him and us customers...
Re: Stam Mic quality - Files - Recordings - Comparisons? Has anyone received a Stam 87 yet? How do they sound compared to an original / new or even a diff mic ? I have searched and searched and there is not one video or sound files other than what Stam has provided...
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Post by ChaseUTB on May 13, 2017 1:20:01 GMT -6
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Great info
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Post by pope on May 14, 2017 14:02:11 GMT -6
Is it not about time for an admin to split this thread into two? EDIT: Excellent suggestion JK
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Post by Martin John Butler on May 15, 2017 8:13:40 GMT -6
Stam, I've had Neumann style microphones with the AMI BV8 and the Haufe, and some others with Chinese transformers. I don't know about any other brands, but if you can, I suggest you stick with the AMI transformer, there's something about the detail that transformer enables that's special.
Also, I think it's a good move to try using a capsule like the one you're using. I've tried four Thiersch M7 capsules, (3 Blueline, 1 Redline) and honestly wasn't blown away by any of them.
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Post by jakeharris on May 15, 2017 11:45:59 GMT -6
Terrible move... Why create a commercial product around DIY PCB's, nevermind one that's a rip-off?
Would take you 3hrs to design your own board, with none of the bullshit.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 15, 2017 12:10:41 GMT -6
At this price, it costs less than if I built it myself.
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Post by ChaseUTB on May 15, 2017 15:07:01 GMT -6
Has anyone used a Stam mic yet? How do they sound?
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Post by ChaseUTB on May 15, 2017 15:17:00 GMT -6
At this price, it costs less than if I built it myself. Do you ever wonder in the back of your mind if you built the piece of gear 110% correctly and if it was built by a pro tech would it sound different / better? Idk, feel like if I start with DIY in the back of my mind I will always think, " I wonder if that one part I could have soldered better is affecting my sound quality/ color/ tone? " After reading the thread about the mk47 and the pro techs/ builders having issues, it got me Brainstorming about this.. Also since I am a noob how would I know if I had some troublesome complements or a faulty build and it wasn't my shitty reading comprehension/ direction following? πππ
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Post by jakeharris on May 16, 2017 1:45:50 GMT -6
At this price, it costs less than if I built it myself. It doesn't. The original, with a much better transformer: store.studio939.com/product/ioaudio-mk47-microphone-complete-kitAdd 5-6kg's shipping from Chile, soon $1'200 + shipping, and it's not even close... But that's not even why I think it's a terrible move... His brand is better than this PCB. It's disappointing he's using it.
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Post by stam on May 16, 2017 7:53:38 GMT -6
Terrible move... Why create a commercial product around DIY PCB's, nevermind one that's a rip-off? Would take you 3hrs to design your own board, with none of the bullshit. Terrible move? Tell that to the hundreds that have already pre-ordered. For us it has been a great move, both in sound and commercially. Why use Dany's PCB's? Because the has done the most extensive research and testing of anybody I personally know and because they sound great. Yes, it takes 3 hours to draw a PCB, do you know how long it takes to prototype a product before going into production? months, even years. A number of things ALWAYS happen and I do not have the time, certainly not if the end result will be the same as what Dany has already achieved. There is nothing wrong with Dany's boards, they do what they are supposed to do. Far more important are the capsules and transformers and yes, I will cherry pick the best ones. Shipping is only 75 dollars worlwide with DHL by the way. Thanks for your lovely message and support. Hopefully you can bring out something better than us in the near future.
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Post by mdmitch2 on May 16, 2017 8:32:06 GMT -6
At this price, it costs less than if I built it myself. It doesn't. The original, with a much better transformer: store.studio939.com/product/ioaudio-mk47-microphone-complete-kitAdd 5-6kg's shipping from Chile, soon $1'200 + shipping, and it's not even close... His brand is better than this PCB. It's disappointing he's using it. Dany is a great designer and his pcbs are excellent. I've built several mics with Danys pcbs and they're highly regarded by all AFAIK. I don't really understand this criticism. Just because it's DIY, doesn't mean it's bad.... that myth has been debunked time and time again.
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