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Post by kcatthedog on May 5, 2017 18:06:16 GMT -6
Remember you can start with the jr and upgrade later, you just don't get the exact lowest price like now with introductory pricing.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 5, 2017 19:11:04 GMT -6
I must have Sun C and waits room. Holy crap. It's the tails that make it so good
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Post by viciousbliss on May 6, 2017 0:28:57 GMT -6
Another person has claimed it sounds just like his hardware in the comments of the pro tools expert review. Ive started using it on some different stuff, tweaked the settings. Found it very easy to dial in something where I meeded more space between the vocal and the reverb or where I wanted to cut some lows.
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Post by mrholmes on May 6, 2017 3:48:23 GMT -6
Another person has claimed it sounds just like his hardware in the comments of the pro tools expert review. Ive started using it on some different stuff, tweaked the settings. Found it very easy to dial in something where I meeded more space between the vocal and the reverb or where I wanted to cut some lows. This person needs to make a hearing check asap. You can try yourself with the link I postet earlier. Keep an ear on the reverb tail when the guitars are playing hard transients, no contest. Overall the hw feels much more like a damm good tracking room. What I like about the software SVH it glues like hell with the source. Maybe this is a nice fault? And if I pray that he is not changeing it. Once again its not like the HW but if you compare it to software reverbs, it is a very very nice one. And yes the pro version sounds more close to the real deal but it takes time to tweak. I like the pro Version but I think 199 is a bit steep for it. I think I go woth the easy Version becaue I already have the good Slate IRs which does not sound too bad.
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Post by jcoutu1 on May 6, 2017 6:38:01 GMT -6
How is this compared to the slate?
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Post by Martin John Butler on May 6, 2017 7:50:16 GMT -6
John, what are the "Sun C" and waits room? Are they presets? Sun studio C, Tom Wait's room maybe?
Are they available in the less expensive version?
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Post by viciousbliss on May 6, 2017 9:00:07 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on May 6, 2017 9:53:06 GMT -6
Another person has claimed it sounds just like his hardware in the comments of the pro tools expert review. Ive started using it on some different stuff, tweaked the settings. Found it very easy to dial in something where I meeded more space between the vocal and the reverb or where I wanted to cut some lows. This person needs to make a hearing check asap. You can try yourself with the link I postet earlier. Keep an ear on the reverb tail when the guitars are playing hard transients, no contest. Overall the hw feels much more like a damm good tracking room. What I like about the software SVH it glues like hell with the source. Maybe this is a nice fault? And if I pray that he is not changeing it. Once again its not like the HW but if you compare it to software reverbs, it is a very very nice one. And yes the pro version sounds more close to the real deal but it takes time to tweak. I like the pro Version but I think 199 is a bit steep for it. I think I go woth the easy Version becaue I already have the good Slate IRs which does not sound too bad. Funny, we've now swapped opinions. I started out not thinking much of it, downloaded the Pro version and now I'm blown away...
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Post by mrholmes on May 6, 2017 9:54:55 GMT -6
I used both versions to match.... it was easier with the pro version.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 6, 2017 9:57:53 GMT -6
John, what are the "Sun C" and waits room? Are they presets? Sun studio C, Tom Wait's room maybe? Are they available in the less expensive version? Yeah, I've always loved both of those presets on the hardware. Don't know if it's actually Wait's room...always thought of it that way, but who knows...maybe it's an autobody repair waiting room lol I haven't gone back and read re-read, but I think some people mentioned it. The way verb sits on the source is different than other ITB verbs I have. I tend to send ay more signal to the aux with this verb, i.e., there's more verb on the track, but it's more like it's a part of the vocal...not sitting on top. As far as it not being as good as the original...Well, hell it's $250. The HW is $4000. If you like the HW better, you're free to go buy it. I - for one - can't afford $4k per stereo channel.
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Post by mrholmes on May 6, 2017 10:13:53 GMT -6
I used both versions to match.... it was easier with the pro version and did sound more like the HW. I read the comment in your link. I do not know if the person did a long enough AB session. To my ears not only the tail of the reverb is different, also the position of the players is a diffrent one. Anyway we have enough M7 owners here in RGO, maybe they can compare the presets better than we do with sound files.... that the source glues extremly well with reverb is enough reason to buy the SVH.
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Post by Martin John Butler on May 6, 2017 10:32:52 GMT -6
I've never used a Bricasti, so I didn't know any of the preset names. I did listen to one at AES though, and it was stunning. The guys from Bricasti were cool cats too. They were very open about the difficulties making a plug-in would entail.
I'm still not clear, is the sound quality the same on the "lite" version, just less features, or does the pro version sound better?
I plan to get the basic version on Tuesday when some checks arrive. My dog was seriously ill this week and it cost me $500 to get it handled, so there's nothing extra left for fun new gear things this week. Hate that.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 6, 2017 10:35:29 GMT -6
I believe the quality is exactly the same, but you only get a set number of presets and you can't adjust many of the parameters...
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Post by viciousbliss on May 6, 2017 11:09:15 GMT -6
I've never used a Bricasti, so I didn't know any of the preset names. I did listen to one at AES though, and it was stunning. The guys from Bricasti were cool cats too. They were very open about the difficulties making a plug-in would entail. I'm still not clear, is the sound quality the same on the "lite" version, just less features, or does the pro version sound better? I plan to get the basic version on Tuesday when some checks arrive. My dog was seriously ill this week and it cost me $500 to get it handled, so there's nothing extra left for fun new gear things this week. Hate that. I'd just try them at this point. In my experience just loading up the non-pro and the pro with the exact same preset, there's a very noticeable difference. Just as there's a very noticeable difference between the regular mode and the cpu-lite mode on the pro. Both versions of SH will glue with the source. It may be more or less obvious depending on the source material, session sample rate, the other plugs you're running, etc.
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Post by viciousbliss on May 6, 2017 11:33:04 GMT -6
I used both versions to match.... it was easier with the pro version and did sound more like the HW. I read the comment in your link. I do not know if the person did a long enough AB session. To my ears not only the tail of the reverb is different, also the position of the players is a diffrent one. Anyway we have enough M7 owners here in RGO, maybe they can compare the presets better than we do with sound files.... that the source glues extremly well with reverb is enough reason to buy the SVH. So, the software file you sent me, is that a combinaton of both SH versions blended with other plugs you used?
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Post by ChaseUTB on May 6, 2017 11:34:11 GMT -6
How is this compared to the slate? Ya kinda wondering the same ... for the $ you can rent Slate's whole plugin package for a year ... does anyone know if slate still gives you a voucher to own a plug of your choice after the year of subscribing?
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Post by mrholmes on May 6, 2017 11:55:44 GMT -6
So, the software file you sent me, is that a combinaton of both SH versions blended with other plugs you used? We all talk subjective impressions here I just can give the one I have. The pro version is more versatile because of the different ER patterns you get, the little one just has one fixed pattern. Also the sliders in the pro version are more accurate and can go very little steps. I used the pro version in combination with other plug ins (DELAY AND STEREO WIDENER) to get a more 3 D tail but you can match the tail length very good to the hardware sound file. I think I will buy the small one first to see how often I use it. I like the sound and that is reason enough to buy one.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 6, 2017 13:16:34 GMT -6
I've never used a Bricasti, so I didn't know any of the preset names. I did listen to one at AES though, and it was stunning. The guys from Bricasti were cool cats too. They were very open about the difficulties making a plug-in would entail. I'm still not clear, is the sound quality the same on the "lite" version, just less features, or does the pro version sound better? I plan to get the basic version on Tuesday when some checks arrive. My dog was seriously ill this week and it cost me $500 to get it handled, so there's nothing extra left for fun new gear things this week. Hate that. I'd just try them at this point. In my experience just loading up the non-pro and the pro with the exact same preset, there's a very noticeable difference. Just as there's a very noticeable difference between the regular mode and the cpu-lite mode on the pro. Both versions of SH will glue with the source. It may be more or less obvious depending on the source material, session sample rate, the other plugs you're running, etc. Oh really!? Maybe that explains why I didn't particularly go for it at first - considering I demo'd the non-pro first.
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Post by drbill on May 6, 2017 13:28:34 GMT -6
I have no horse in this race. No slate, no cheap or expensive version of this plug. I will say one thing about the REAL M7 though. I have never heard any other verb that you can run an entire mix through during mastering, and have it EXCITE the band, and make everything sound more "alive" and "vibrant" like the M7 does. Try this with Studio A. Lengthen the reverb time to a little over a second. Run an entire mix through it, blend to taste and see it it makes you stand up and start jumping up and down. I've done this with entire band mixes and had the musicians screaming to redo all the mastering and add reverb to ALL their finished mixes. It actually blew my mind - the sound difference in the mixes I mean....
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Post by indiehouse on May 6, 2017 13:53:54 GMT -6
I just downloaded the Pro demo and had a go with it. I much prefer R4. Downloading the additional presets now to see if that changes anything. Also, the fan on my 2012 mac mini just went into overdrive. Never really had that happen before. This plug must be taxing my cpu in ways that my other plugs don't. Meh, not sure it's worth getting my CPU all hot and bothered.
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Post by mrholmes on May 6, 2017 15:06:12 GMT -6
I have no horse in this race. No slate, no cheap or expensive version of this plug. I will say one thing about the REAL M7 though. I have never heard any other verb that you can run an entire mix through during mastering, and have it EXCITE the band, and make everything sound more "alive" and "vibrant" like the M7 does. Try this with Studio A. Lengthen the reverb time to a little over a second. Run an entire mix through it, blend to taste and see it it makes you stand up and start jumping up and down. I've done this with entire band mixes and had the musicians screaming to redo all the mastering and add reverb to ALL their finished mixes. It actually blew my mind - the sound difference in the mixes I mean.... Damn it Bill... I saw Casey doing this on YT with a Jazz Band and my mouth stood open for a while. I was afraid to do it with the plug in but now I did try. My mouth stood open as well, maybe not as long as in the Promo Video. But one thing just jumped at me. The positions of the mix elements stay or even get more clear, the base range is not washed out what ever I dial in. Now I have to buy this plug in.... Its maybe not as detailed as the real hardware but it does some very nice things which other verbs don't do. Does buying gear ever stops?
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Post by viciousbliss on May 6, 2017 15:37:01 GMT -6
I have no horse in this race. No slate, no cheap or expensive version of this plug. I will say one thing about the REAL M7 though. I have never heard any other verb that you can run an entire mix through during mastering, and have it EXCITE the band, and make everything sound more "alive" and "vibrant" like the M7 does. Try this with Studio A. Lengthen the reverb time to a little over a second. Run an entire mix through it, blend to taste and see it it makes you stand up and start jumping up and down. I've done this with entire band mixes and had the musicians screaming to redo all the mastering and add reverb to ALL their finished mixes. It actually blew my mind - the sound difference in the mixes I mean.... I'm going to try that, thanks for the idea. So far I've mainly been using Saint Gerold on the master fader. Thought I would try it after hearing about the aforementioned thing Casey did with the Jazz band. Edit: Tried it and it does indeed enhance things very well.
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Post by drbill on May 6, 2017 18:10:09 GMT -6
mrholmes said: Now I have to buy this plug in.... nah, buy an M7 - not the plug-in. Come on man!!!!! Absolutely worth it. Trust me on this. You don't want to have to apologize 3X's do you??? LOL Seriously though, I'm glad it's working for you. But, don't EVER EVER try a real M7. I made that mistake. Luckily, 8 years or so takes away the sting...
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Post by mrholmes on May 6, 2017 20:04:06 GMT -6
mrholmes said: Now I have to buy this plug in.... nah, buy an M7 - not the plug-in. Come on man!!!!! Absolutely worth it. Trust me on this. You don't want to have to apologize 3X's do you??? LOL Seriously though, I'm glad it's working for you. But, don't EVER EVER try a real M7. I made that mistake. Luckily, 8 years or so takes away the sting... The plug in will be the bridge to the real M7. No seriously, for 47£ you cant go wrong with the plug in. There is no reason to worry, try it if you have some spare time I bet you like it. If I have to put my verbs from the most real sounding to the most fx alike.... 7th H. Slate Verb Suite VVV Yamaha Reverb 500 Lexicon PCM UAD EMT 250 / 140 Midiverbs I and II
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Post by Martin John Butler on May 7, 2017 9:18:45 GMT -6
mrholmes, have you ever used the Relab XL480? I found it better than everything else. I haven't tried the 7th Heaven or the newer Exponential reverbs, so I can't speak to that. I know Slate has made a deal to offer the Relab somehow, but I doubt it's exactly the same.
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