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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2017 22:07:47 GMT -6
I'd also like to point out that most ribbons, even many relatively inexpensive ones*, don't have this problem. Agree. Took a long time for the penny to drop for me. ( no dentures yet tho') |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Mar 16, 2017 22:11:24 GMT -6
I was checking out which mics a few of my favorite artists used in their recordings and was surprised to find that Mark Knopfler uses an SM57 and a U67. I don't know if that's what he uses all the time, but he has used them for sure. I would have guessed he'd use something like a KM84 if he wanted something to add to a U67's tone..
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2017 22:26:12 GMT -6
There's a few mods available for the 57, was thinking of attacking mine. The most drastic is the guy from Airwindows who chops it up and covers the diaphragm cover with aluminium tape!
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Post by johneppstein on Mar 16, 2017 23:14:22 GMT -6
John, I knew they were nearly identical, but in my experience, they don't sound exactly the same. I figured that some small aspect makes them a little different, and for whatever reason, I've been happy with the 58 for miking cabinets. I don't have a 57 at the moment, so my memory could be off too. Have you tried them side by side and found them to sound exactly the same? SM57 and SM58's DO NOT sound the same . Even with the ball top off . SM57 has more bite , brighter and sibilance . SM58 is smoother . I don;t know what that small aspect that makes them different . But I can't get an SM57 to work on vocals for me . It sounds good , but too pointy and sibilant . SM58 , perfect vocal mic , no issues . I've tried everything even had the SM58 balltop put on the SM57 . This guy talks about the differences . (Damn, no facep[alm smilie....) Scumbum, this IS a joke,. isn't it? How in HEAVEN'S NAME could anybody determine anything about sound quality based on that video? Please tell me you're kidding? Please? Mackie 1202 VLZ mixer? Really? Referring to the factory advertizing printout for frequency response graphs?* Oh, MAN, Pull the other one, it has got bells on! Oy-a vey iz mir! (Damn! No facepalm smiley!) Ya wanna buy a bridge? * - as most of you probably know by now, I have been fortunate enough to have had the opportunity to compare real pen graph readouts of individual real Shure mics to the printed PR spec sheet. It's kinda like saying that a polar bear resembles a man... |
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Post by johneppstein on Mar 16, 2017 23:18:34 GMT -6
I was checking out which mics a few of my favorite artists used in their recordings and was surprised to find that Mark Knopfler uses an SM57 and a U67. I don't know if that's what he uses all the time, but he has used them for sure. I would have guessed he'd use something like a KM84 if he wanted something to add to a U67's tone.. Naw, not really. Why would he want another smooth, even condenser? No, he wants the Shure for its general rastiness. I understand perfectly. Don't know if I'd do the same, but I won't say I wouldn't. If I only had a good 67...... |
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Post by johneppstein on Mar 16, 2017 23:24:39 GMT -6
Meanwhile, back at the Butler ranch, I can't find my SM58. I think I used it for a few songs at a local Yoga event with my wife last November, but it's been a while, so I'm not sure. Man, that's annoying. I usually take extra care with small items at performances, having lost too many over the years. tsk,tsk..... That's why I have 4 of them, even if I don't like them very much. (At least they're not Betas....<shudder>.....) |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Mar 17, 2017 7:45:33 GMT -6
johneppstein said, "If I only had a good 67......"
All I can say is.... " " " " " " ! :-)
Ragan's really pleased with his TLM 67 Max Mod U67. I've heard some of his tracks done with it and have to say it sounds right. Still, I don't have $2500 extra for a mic right now, but would think hard on getting that same mic if I start looking again.
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Post by mrholmes on Mar 17, 2017 14:20:00 GMT -6
double post
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Post by mrholmes on Mar 17, 2017 14:20:43 GMT -6
Neumann writes that cheap microphones contain most often electret-condenser-capsules. They prefer true condenser capsules. They wrote that both technologies can sound superb. How can I check which capsule technology is used?  |
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Post by svart on Mar 17, 2017 15:01:43 GMT -6
Neumann writes that cheap microphones contain most often electret-condenser-capsules. They prefer true condenser capsules. They wrote that both technologies can sound superb. How can I check which capsule technology is used? The only real way to know is to view the capsule and see what type it is. Electrets almost always have some kind of screen or housing around the membrane material.. However, not all do. Audio Technica has a couple capsule designs that are electret-like, but do not have housings. Electrets:  or:   |
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Post by johneppstein on Mar 17, 2017 17:50:32 GMT -6
johneppstein said, "If I only had a good 67......"
All I can say is.... " " " " " " ! :-) Ragan's really pleased with his TLM 67 Max Mod U67. I've heard some of his tracks done with it and have to say it sounds right. Still, I don't have $2500 extra for a mic right now, but would think hard on getting that same mic if I start looking again. Yeah. Sadly my finances have been totally trashed by the jerk in control of my money, so I can't even think about buying anything. Hell, I can't even think of buying a decent dinner that might come closer to conforming to the new "suggestions" I got from my doctor today. |
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Post by johneppstein on Mar 17, 2017 17:59:06 GMT -6
Neumann writes that cheap microphones contain most often electret-condenser-capsules. They prefer true condenser capsules. They wrote that both technologies can sound superb. How can I check which capsule technology is used? Look at the schematic. Electrets don't require a polarizing voltage on the capsule, it's pre-"imprinted". Which is why they don't generally require phantom. (Which isn't a test, as there are many cheap condensers that use an electret capsule with no battery, especially in low-rent DIY circles.) Incidentally, Neumann's "information" is pretty obsolete these days, as it pre-dates the flood of cheap Chinese condensers, most of which seem to be knock-offs of Neumanns and AKGs. |
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Post by scumbum on Mar 18, 2017 9:47:18 GMT -6
Neumann writes that cheap microphones contain most often electret-condenser-capsules. They prefer true condenser capsules. They wrote that both technologies can sound superb. How can I check which capsule technology is used? ,-ksm27,-ksm44 "The KSM32 is an electret design. The KSM44 and KSM27 are an external polarized design ("true condenser"). Well-designed electrets no longer have limited life spans like the original electrets from the 1970s. " The Shure KSM32 sounds great . Problem is electret mics slowly die over time . |
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Post by johneppstein on Mar 18, 2017 15:10:59 GMT -6
Neumann writes that cheap microphones contain most often electret-condenser-capsules. They prefer true condenser capsules. They wrote that both technologies can sound superb. How can I check which capsule technology is used? ,-ksm27,-ksm44 "The KSM32 is an electret design. The KSM44 and KSM27 are an external polarized design ("true condenser"). Well-designed electrets no longer have limited life spans like the original electrets from the 1970s. " The Shure KSM32 sounds great . Problem is electret mics slowly die over time . A friend of mine had an old Sony ECM-377 he wanted me to look at. He was wondering if it was one of the sought-after classic Sonys. The shock mount was broken - all the rubber biscuits had rotted - and it had very, very, VERY low output. I did a little research and it turned out that it was one of Sony's original electrets and the capsules lose their charge after awhile and there's no available fix. Oh, well, it was a nice, solid mic, er, desk ornament. I did cut a couple of biscuits for the shock mount out of Sorbothane for him to maybe ameliorate the disappointment a bit. So now he has a virtually nonfunctional mic that will screw onto a stand..... |
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