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Post by donr on Mar 10, 2017 8:12:19 GMT -6
Good tip on leaving the room and listening through the doorway.
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Post by swurveman on Mar 10, 2017 8:36:56 GMT -6
Here's mine:
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Post by ericn on Mar 10, 2017 8:40:02 GMT -6
I've always tried to explain it like water and sponges. If you're in (for example, not idea by any means) a 10x10x10 (1000 cubic ft.) room and you have 800 cubic feet (8' high) of water, you'll likely drown eventually. If you're in a 10x20x10 (2000 cubic ft.), the water will only be 4' high and you'll be moist and uncomfortable. The sound energy (mostly low end, as the low end is far more energy than the high) is the water - Broadband / bass traps are the sponges. If you have enough sponges to soak up a good amount of that water, you're in good shape in the larger room. The problem is that the small room doesn't have enough room for the sponges. *That said* -- Nearfields = less energy = less sponges. But a sacrifice of range and sheer power. Personal note -- While this room was being constructed, I had to spend a couple absolutely terrifying months in a 10x11x8' room (with a dozen 2'x2'x4" traps and a bunch of worthless foam corners in the front). At (somewhere around 110Hz), there was a 7-8dB peak and a 35-ish dB null point less than one foot away from each other, front to back, basically right where my head was. I can't even tell you what it took to do decent quality work in that room. I'm not a fan of "multi-monitors" -- Find a set that works and go - don't try to hit a moving target (the small speakers in here are totally client-side. I never turn them on unless a client wants to hear on a "little" system). But in that room, I had a set of -- Geez (sorry, I type as I think...) -- Uh... Diamond 8.2 uh - WHARFEDALE!!! Wharfedale Diamond 8.2's. GREAT little speakers -- Not "nearfields" per se, but small, wannabe big speakers. Those things saved my a$$ more times than I can count. My mains at the time were B&W 800 series Matrix 802's (the predecessor to the Nautilus 802's that came in a month before my room was done). There's a photo somewhere... Those are the Wharfies "overhead" Heh - More interesting photo of the desk before the current one came in -- EQ Magazine - long before I actually deserved to grace those pages. The desk was a hack-job on a $200 Office Max desk (as long as the thread is about desks) and a (Mid Atlantic?) rack that I cut to a pair of 30/60/90's - it was actually quite effective... But anyway - The Wharfedales, in that postition, had a totally different peak and null point in relation to my head (it was about 8" forward of the rail due to the height). So I could flip to those and sort of interpret what was going on at 110. Which I did. A lot. Blah, blah, blah, I'm getting long here -- It was a reasonably effective band-aid for a broken leg. It wasn't accurate, nor consistent at differing volumes or different points in space. It was a friggin' audio nightmare on a scale I hope to never have to experience again. There are rooms that just plain suck -- That was one of them. I literally didn't have enough space for all the trapping that it would take to make it reasonably decent. I get the occasional "hey come help me with this mix" thing from friends and people that am willing to help.. Invariably it's a tiny "bonus room" with KRK speakers or other low-end monitors with plenty of top-end hype and boomy muddy bottom... But what I've found that helps considerably is to leave the room and listen out in the hallway or something. It gives you a more balanced picture of what the audio sounds like *in general*, without the strange nodes floating right around your head. It's not the best for getting the image right, but it certainly helps with overall balance that you can't get from a node-filled room. This also get up and out of the sweet spot ! I don't know how many mixers just don't work of axis! And learn your room, even in well treated rooms you can find a phenomenon that in live is know as " power alley" a build up chest thump 150-200hz in one area step out and all of it disappears ! Sit back out of the nearfield sprawl out on the couch dose it still hold up ? Are there phase issues if my head is turned? How's it sound on the crappy speakers built into a TV?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2017 9:27:04 GMT -6
great tips guys thanks! ps I'll let you steal my idea of using my bike jackets to add to the room treatment
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Post by ericn on Mar 10, 2017 9:49:56 GMT -6
great tips guys thanks! ps I'll let you steal my idea of using my bike jackets to add to the room treatment My favorite room treatment is no longer with us, Gus was 150lbs Great Peraniease / Golden Retrevier mix, he had a coat that was more like hair in length like a foot. We said he was a golden wooly mammoth mix, best mobile bass trap ever! Biggest lap dog who was the mellow quite alpha dog of the entire Neighborhood!
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Post by Guitar on Mar 10, 2017 12:13:59 GMT -6
Here's my little hole in the wall. I just installed the DIY cube speakers and I'm really excited about them right now. Same piece of wood was used to make the top of the desk. Underneath the speaker stack are a couple of Mouser catalogs with burlap sewn around them, very effective and cheap monitor decouplers.
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Post by donr on Mar 10, 2017 12:40:25 GMT -6
Here's the last setup that passed audio before tearing down for the acoustic treatment build. The MacBookPro is behind the Raven with the lid closed. I'll do a thread of the build when it's done. Can't be more ITB than this!
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Post by Guitar on Mar 10, 2017 13:02:24 GMT -6
Here's the last setup that passed audio before tearing down for the acoustic treatment build. The MacBookPro is behind the Raven with the lid closed. I'll do a thread of the build when it's done. Can't be more ITB than this! I love the view!
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Post by Guitar on Mar 10, 2017 14:23:31 GMT -6
Here's mine: Your choice of outboard gear in the facing racks is just so perfectly selected. I'm hoping to achieve something along those lines. Eventually.
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Post by swurveman on Mar 10, 2017 17:29:59 GMT -6
Here's mine: Your choice of outboard gear in the facing racks is just so perfectly selected. I'm hoping to achieve something along those lines. Eventually. Thank you. Some people can have compression in racks far away, but I'd rather have it all within easy reach. I've thought about selling the Bricasti for years, but glad I didn't. I'm beginning to bounce a lot more reverb. The GML 8200 is indispensable for me. I use it almost exclusively on the mix bus. I still don't do a lot of signal processing while I track. Not having a wall between my tracking area and my mix desk makes me hesitant to commit, even though with my patch bay I am all set up to do it.
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Post by lcr on Mar 10, 2017 18:46:58 GMT -6
standing in the hallway outside the room and listening, Great advice.
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Post by gar381 on Mar 10, 2017 18:48:04 GMT -6
I'm Just an old school old fart !! Gary
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Post by Guitar on Mar 10, 2017 19:00:21 GMT -6
Hey gar381 !!!! I love that desk, can't believe you made it yourself!
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Post by Ward on Mar 11, 2017 12:11:37 GMT -6
Here's the last setup that passed audio before tearing down for the acoustic treatment build. The MacBookPro is behind the Raven with the lid closed. I'll do a thread of the build when it's done. Can't be more ITB than this! View AttachmentView AttachmentYou don't get that view at your previous 'other' residence! (mom sold hers too, by the way) Looks majestic and so peaceful, a great creative place!
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Post by mikec on Mar 11, 2017 12:44:29 GMT -6
I really like the Sterling Modular desks and my wife loves it since all of the cables are hidden. It pretty much gives me all I need and everything is within easy reach. I bought this one several years ago but it looks like the prices have gone up significantly since I purchased mine.
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Post by porkyman on Mar 11, 2017 12:56:33 GMT -6
Here's my little hole in the wall. I just installed the DIY cube speakers and I'm really excited about them right now. Same piece of wood was used to make the top of the desk. Underneath the speaker stack are a couple of Mouser catalogs with burlap sewn around them, very effective and cheap monitor decouplers. You must not have any earthquakes stacking your monitors like that. I'm afraid to put mine on 80lb stands.
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Post by Guitar on Mar 11, 2017 13:01:38 GMT -6
You must not have any earthquakes stacking your monitors like that. I'm afraid to put mine on 80lb stands. No earthquakes. The speakers all have flat square surfaces, so it's more stable than it looks. You'd have to really shove into them to knock 'em down. Thankfully they're well out of harm's way. Maybe it would be smarter to stack them biggest to smallest from the bottom up but I wanted them in this position. I guess it does look a little scary, so knock on wood. I don't stack my SKB type racks very high any more, because one fateful day, the top rack did come face down with all kinds of gear in it. Only broke one knob on a cheap compressor, but also taught me a lesson.
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Post by john on Mar 11, 2017 13:26:19 GMT -6
An OTB flow for the last 3 years. One of my Warm eqs is in the shop and the bottom 4U were being reserved for the Dizengoff eqs. The other side of my brain has been drafting a purge that would make it a more hybrid situation with 2 heavy-duty channel strips, a few nice fx and a simple mix bus enhancer. Maybe begin that change at the end of this year. The Argosy Halo looks like a good fit for my future plans. Anyone using one?
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Post by ChaseUTB on Mar 11, 2017 13:31:17 GMT -6
i32.photobucket.com/albums/d13/caryavs/Mobile%20Uploads/C45131C6-8574-4F9F-B34F-C548F4BAEF7D_zpspgvg9wru.jpgJust a plastic table. I purchased plans to build a desk and was getting the material together when I got injured and that out everything on hold. So ya just a plastic folding table which is prob bad for flutter echoes and comb filtering, it's what I got so I love it and use it everyday. Trying to make a bracket that suspends the WA76 over the Apollo. Not that the Apollo gets hot, just want to have room between them. Not pictured is the sa4000 which goes under the Apollo
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Post by ericn on Mar 11, 2017 14:02:11 GMT -6
An OTB flow for the last 3 years. One of my Warm eqs is in the shop and the bottom 4U were being reserved for the Dizengoff eqs. The other side of my brain has been drafting a purge that would make it a more hybrid situation with 2 heavy-duty channel strips, a few nice fx and a simple mix bus enhancer. Maybe begin that change at the end of this year. The Argosy Halo looks like a good fit for my future plans. Anyone using one? I can't emphasize this enough don't waste the $$ on Argosy! Find a local cabinet builder sit down show him what you really want, you will save money, get something designed for you that probably is better built as well!
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Post by spock on Mar 11, 2017 22:23:55 GMT -6
I really like the Sterling Modular desks and my wife loves it since all of the cables are hidden. It pretty much gives me all I need and everything is within easy reach. I bought this one several years ago but it looks like the prices have gone up significantly since I purchased mine. View AttachmentLove the rack on the right!
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 11, 2017 23:12:21 GMT -6
I really like the Sterling Modular desks and my wife loves it since all of the cables are hidden. It pretty much gives me all I need and everything is within easy reach. I bought this one several years ago but it looks like the prices have gone up significantly since I purchased mine. View AttachmentOnce you get some gear in there, you should be golden.
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Post by johneppstein on Mar 11, 2017 23:16:57 GMT -6
Good tip on leaving the room and listening through the doorway. Yeah. I've actually been doing that for some years - for a long time I thought it was just me...
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Post by Quint on Mar 12, 2017 0:02:25 GMT -6
Here's the last setup that passed audio before tearing down for the acoustic treatment build. The MacBookPro is behind the Raven with the lid closed. I'll do a thread of the build when it's done. Can't be more ITB than this! View AttachmentView AttachmentDaylight is always nice.
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Post by M57 on Mar 12, 2017 6:28:07 GMT -6
Just thought I'd post a pic or two of my desk in, which I've had for close to 20 years now (it's still in production), and share some of the pros and cons. Pros:
The top shelf is continuous and that makes it functionally very flexible, allowing for any combination of monitors/screens/whatever.
The whole thing is on wheels, which comes in handy. I find that I move things around depending on the nature of the session. It moves easily yet is solid when in place.
Recessed racks on the bottom are well protected - I've never kicked a piece of gear by accident.
Angle mounted gear may look cool, but I feel like the horizontal mounting of the top racks is more healthy for gear - less dust - protection from spills, etc.. (uhm.. notice the bottle and glass) If I was working OTB, I might not like that feature as much, but I use most of that gear pretty much for tracking.
The curved design looks goodCons: You can't put a large board on it, but if I wanted to I could easily put my X-touch on it. 3U rack space on the desk is about one less U than I would prefer, though I suppose it could be perfect for 500 series, right? Recessed Racks on the bottom are not super visible
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