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Post by sozocaps on Feb 12, 2017 19:11:06 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 12, 2017 19:25:21 GMT -6
They have it up at ua forum there is first and second part: people wondered about the test methodology and why they didn't put each company's top of the line box against each other ?
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Post by sozocaps on Feb 12, 2017 20:10:22 GMT -6
I thought no difference in the UAD's AD...
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 12, 2017 20:16:09 GMT -6
True, but how do you hear it without going DA? So since they are comparing the complete box that's ad and da:right ?
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Post by sozocaps on Feb 12, 2017 20:19:44 GMT -6
True, but how do you hear it without going DA? So since they are comparing the complete box that's ad and da:right ? Ahh true... was it tracked and played back though.... |
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Post by iamasound on Feb 13, 2017 6:24:49 GMT -6
What kind of fun would it be to market to the consumer without a creative marketing strategy? Advertisers need to eat too, don't they? If everything were shown in the light of equal footing and honest balanced truth be told there would be no more need for lawyers or ad exectives. Now, what kind of world would that be, I ask you!  |
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 13, 2017 6:30:42 GMT -6
True, but how do you hear it without going DA? So since they are comparing the complete box that's ad and da:right ? Ahh true... was it tracked and played back though.... yes but apparently you are listening to each box discreetly so personally I was just curious then why not use the bf 16 with the best DA and the symph mkii ?
I don't think they explain how that natural variation was controlled for in what we are listening to.
I f they had run all the AD back through a common DA, that would be a consistent test of the AD ?
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Post by javamad on Feb 13, 2017 7:45:41 GMT -6
I wonder did they only get three people to listen to it ... or was it just that they selected three to show in the video .. a bit like 9 out of 10 cats prefer cat food X *
(* where owners expressed a preference)
But anyway, I'm not going to like these results 'cos I have just bought a second Apollo 8 :-) If I was going to be critical though I would say that having only 1 single Thunderbolt port on a device that is supposed to be central to a home studio is just silly ... I have my 2 Apollo's, a Satellite (got it free with the second Apollo), an external hard drive for audio files AND a thunderbolt to LAN connector giving me internet all connected via daisy-chaining thunderbolt cables. By only having one port they are telling me to put the interface at the end of the chain?
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Post by Guitar on Feb 14, 2017 15:11:21 GMT -6
All I can tell you is I am in love with my Clarett, and it's clearly head and shoulders above my mk I silver Apollo.
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 14, 2017 15:59:01 GMT -6
Wish they offered without pres
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 14, 2017 18:57:02 GMT -6
All I can tell you is I am in love with my Clarett, and it's clearly head and shoulders above my mk I silver Apollo. I would hope so as their design decisions are like over 5 years apart  I mostly don't care about these kinds of comparisons any more simply because there are so many really good interfaces out there, pick the one you like and do good recordings |
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Post by Guitar on Feb 14, 2017 19:11:26 GMT -6
All I can tell you is I am in love with my Clarett, and it's clearly head and shoulders above my mk I silver Apollo. I would hope so as their design decisions are like over 5 years apart I mostly don't care about these kinds of comparisons any more simply because there are so many really good interfaces out there, pick the one you like and do good recordings It's sort of like a video game when you step into a different room and get a 'level up'. That's what it felt like to me. Oh, a nice new room I am in. Coat of arms on the wall, nice deer horns and all that. Might as well have a pint of good beer at this point. Think about the next music with a bowtie on. |
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Post by popmann on Feb 14, 2017 23:04:12 GMT -6
Well, these are the same level of audio tech. My issues with UA and Apogee are that they're overpriced--thus in a limited budget home studio, they represent money that could be spent on something that matters to the sound. There's nothing in that $999 Focusrite that should limit your ability to make a really nice recording. You're spending $2500 on the others for the UAD DSP/cue.....and the Apogee soft limit and such....not irrelevant at all to workflow, but if you think you're getting better sound by paying that(and not using the DSP to enhance), you're simply not. The Focusrite HAS TRS line inputs, Johnkenn . So, you can ignore the preamps and still use all the inputs at fixed line level, pretty sure. I mean--I don't have one...I've not plugged in and made sure that the line inputs DO bypass all the preamp circuits....but, I would make the assumption that the dedicated line inputs bypass the filter/gain/phantom circuits. Otherwise, why have seperate jacks? |
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Feb 14, 2017 23:13:15 GMT -6
After upgrading from a MOTU Traveler to an Apogee Symphony MK1, I'm going to disagree with you. As i'm sure kcatthedog would as well, along with cowboycoalminer. Perhaps you should actually put one in your studio and give 'er a listen against whatever you currently own before claiming that they don't sound better than a $999 interface. |
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Post by ragan on Feb 15, 2017 0:12:37 GMT -6
After doing some comparisons this week, I can confidently say most any commentary is useless if you haven't put the units in question side by side. It's the only way to have a clue what you're talking about, in my opinion.
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Feb 15, 2017 2:09:03 GMT -6
exactly!!!
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 15, 2017 4:55:18 GMT -6
You know there is on paper spec sound and your actual experience using a piece of gear, so far I have had about 10 interfaces going back to an mbox, digi, rme, 2 apollo, b2, 2192 and now the symphony mkii, so at least in cdn dollar almost a 5:1 range in costs ($1-5000 cdn), Their designs all varied so should their costs but they all sounded different too. I am happy to read informed opinions about stuff, but until you are throwing the switch in your studio, you are just not having the actual experience |
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 15, 2017 7:13:53 GMT -6
Well, these are the same level of audio tech. My issues with UA and Apogee are that they're overpriced--thus in a limited budget home studio, they represent money that could be spent on something that matters to the sound. There's nothing in that $999 Focusrite that should limit your ability to make a really nice recording. You're spending $2500 on the others for the UAD DSP/cue.....and the Apogee soft limit and such....not irrelevant at all to workflow, but if you think you're getting better sound by paying that(and not using the DSP to enhance), you're simply not. The Focusrite HAS TRS line inputs, Johnkenn . So, you can ignore the preamps and still use all the inputs at fixed line level, pretty sure. I mean--I don't have one...I've not plugged in and made sure that the line inputs DO bypass all the preamp circuits....but, I would make the assumption that the dedicated line inputs bypass the filter/gain/phantom circuits. Otherwise, why have seperate jacks? That wasn't my concern. I just assumed a mic pre free model would be cheaper. |
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Post by Guitar on Feb 15, 2017 7:20:54 GMT -6
Well, these are the same level of audio tech. My issues with UA and Apogee are that they're overpriced--thus in a limited budget home studio, they represent money that could be spent on something that matters to the sound. There's nothing in that $999 Focusrite that should limit your ability to make a really nice recording. You're spending $2500 on the others for the UAD DSP/cue.....and the Apogee soft limit and such....not irrelevant at all to workflow, but if you think you're getting better sound by paying that(and not using the DSP to enhance), you're simply not. The Focusrite HAS TRS line inputs, Johnkenn . So, you can ignore the preamps and still use all the inputs at fixed line level, pretty sure. I mean--I don't have one...I've not plugged in and made sure that the line inputs DO bypass all the preamp circuits....but, I would make the assumption that the dedicated line inputs bypass the filter/gain/phantom circuits. Otherwise, why have seperate jacks? After I got my Clarett, the other ones you mentioned do strike me as overpriced. And this can be significant for low budgets like you said. The separate TRS inputs still go through the mic preamp. I don't know why they did that, but they did. The gain knob is still active and it's unity at about 9 o'clock or so on the dial. |
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Post by sozocaps on Feb 15, 2017 10:19:18 GMT -6
Well, these are the same level of audio tech. My issues with UA and Apogee are that they're overpriced--thus in a limited budget home studio, they represent money that could be spent on something that matters to the sound. There's nothing in that $999 Focusrite that should limit your ability to make a really nice recording. You're spending $2500 on the others for the UAD DSP/cue.....and the Apogee soft limit and such....not irrelevant at all to workflow, but if you think you're getting better sound by paying that(and not using the DSP to enhance), you're simply not. The Focusrite HAS TRS line inputs, Johnkenn . So, you can ignore the preamps and still use all the inputs at fixed line level, pretty sure. I mean--I don't have one...I've not plugged in and made sure that the line inputs DO bypass all the preamp circuits....but, I would make the assumption that the dedicated line inputs bypass the filter/gain/phantom circuits. Otherwise, why have seperate jacks? After I got my Clarett, the other ones you mentioned do strike me as overpriced. And this can be significant for low budgets like you said. The separate TRS inputs still go through the mic preamp. I don't know why they did that, but they did. The gain knob is still active and it's unity at about 9 o'clock or so on the dial. It's actually a good thing it goes through the preamp because it will be a superior analog section then a cheap opamp before the A/D and probably why the ones with the preamps sound so go. |
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Post by Guitar on Feb 15, 2017 10:59:40 GMT -6
After I got my Clarett, the other ones you mentioned do strike me as overpriced. And this can be significant for low budgets like you said. The separate TRS inputs still go through the mic preamp. I don't know why they did that, but they did. The gain knob is still active and it's unity at about 9 o'clock or so on the dial. It's actually a good thing it goes through the preamp because it will be a superior analog section then a cheap opamp before the A/D and probably why the ones with the preamps sound so go. That's a good point. I'm certainly not losing any tone from double-preamping with the Clarett. It's kind of nice to have that second level trim also. |
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Post by popmann on Feb 15, 2017 14:23:16 GMT -6
After upgrading from a MOTU Traveler to an Apogee Symphony MK1, I'm going to disagree with you. As i'm sure kcatthedog would as well, along with cowboycoalminer . Perhaps you should actually put one in your studio and give 'er a listen against whatever you currently own before claiming that they don't sound better than a $999 interface. I going to have to say you don't disagree with me. You WANT to, obviously....but, what you're saying isn't actually in technical opposition. Let me restate what you said removing audio gear from the discussion: "My first car was a Yaris. Then I got an AcuraTL....Honda makes so much better cars than Toyota." All re: a discussion of a YouTube comparison of the Camry and Accord models. On a related note, I have a friend--most UNpicky musician I've ever met--and I say that knowing he can AFFORD basically what the hell ever he wants. Uses CRAP gear-recording, guitars, bass, keyboards, VIs---everything....says "he's always made whatever I had sound ok"...as some excuse--anyway, everyone knows someone with this attitude about recording or music gear. He bought a Traveller, which I've never used nor even heard FWIW....and says "that thing sounds terrible--I returned it!"....holy shit--I mean THIS guy, I can't emphasize enough how "not picky" he is-bordering on truly tin eared....and yet HE found it "terrible sounding". I had a good chuckle at that. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 15, 2017 14:43:34 GMT -6
Well, now the Symphony MkI IS a $999 interface I might pick one up. |
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Feb 15, 2017 15:12:16 GMT -6
Don't speak for me, popmann. You're not in my studio listening thru my gear. There is an audible difference in quality between the symphony and the sub-$1000 interfaces. Lots of people hear it, it's not our fault that you haven't heard it. But you can't claim to know what you're talking about if you haven't had one in your room.
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 15, 2017 16:46:04 GMT -6
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