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Post by BradM on May 22, 2017 11:27:03 GMT -6
jcoutu1 , can you describe what you like about B versus A? Just took another listen and agree with my assessment. B and C are the same. They sound a little more smooth on top to my ears. A could very easily sound better with a different source, but on this, I'm liking A. Who knows though, could be totally wrong. Did you listen to the "medley"? That clip is meant to eliminate the bias of "I think I hear differences because you told me the two clips are different". Brad
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Post by jcoutu1 on May 22, 2017 12:45:33 GMT -6
Just took another listen and agree with my assessment. B and C are the same. They sound a little more smooth on top to my ears. A could very easily sound better with a different source, but on this, I'm liking A. Who knows though, could be totally wrong. Did you listen to the "medley"? That clip is meant to eliminate the bias of "I think I hear differences because you told me the two clips are different". Brad I'm sticking my my assessment of A/B. I'm consistently choosing B because it's smoother to my ear. I tail off with the test at the end when my ears start getting cooked and get board.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 22, 2017 12:59:03 GMT -6
Did you listen to the "medley"? That clip is meant to eliminate the bias of "I think I hear differences because you told me the two clips are different". Brad I'm sticking my my assessment of A/B. I'm consistently choosing B because it's smoother to my ear. I tail off with the test at the end when my ears start getting cooked and get board. Now do that 12 more times
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Post by jcoutu1 on May 22, 2017 13:04:00 GMT -6
I'm sticking my my assessment of A/B. I'm consistently choosing B because it's smoother to my ear. I tail off with the test at the end when my ears start getting cooked and get board. Now do that 12 more times These are just my after lunch tests. Ran a bunch earlier too. Haha
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Post by Tommy Harron on May 22, 2017 13:11:55 GMT -6
I have no idea what preamp that C is, but I'm guessing that A is the 511 and B is the Chroma.
I can't distinguish the edit points in the medley.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 22, 2017 13:13:13 GMT -6
I don't mean to do a fly-by poop, but I never found the RND511 to sound anything like 1073 land.
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Post by BradM on May 22, 2017 13:19:23 GMT -6
I don't mean to do a fly-by poop, but I never found the RND511 to sound anything like 1073 land. You're right it doesn't. I'd wager that the RND511 is probably the best selling mic preamp on the market right now. But Chroma can sound like "1073 land", too. And that's why it's a rad piece of kit. Then there's the whole API side, too.... I'm making my case one piece at a time. Stay tuned. Brad
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Post by Tommy Harron on May 22, 2017 13:21:12 GMT -6
@johnkenn, what are your impressions of the samples?
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Post by Johnkenn on May 22, 2017 13:30:15 GMT -6
@johnkenn, what are your impressions of the samples? I haven't had a chance to listen yet.
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Post by ChaseUTB on May 22, 2017 19:21:53 GMT -6
Did you listen to the "medley"? That clip is meant to eliminate the bias of "I think I hear differences because you told me the two clips are different". Brad I'm sticking my my assessment of A/B. I'm consistently choosing B because it's smoother to my ear. I tail off with the test at the end when my ears start getting cooked and get board. Where do I get this? Love to use this
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Post by jcoutu1 on May 22, 2017 19:36:30 GMT -6
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Post by BradM on May 24, 2017 11:17:06 GMT -6
Thanks for that link, Jesse! Super useful. Does anyone else have any guesses before I reveal which files was which? Brad
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Post by BradM on May 25, 2017 16:28:42 GMT -6
Here's the results of the clips I posted:
A = RND 511 with Silk B = Chroma with Rogue-Tec Air C = Chroma with Rogue-Tec Air and 12 dB/oct HPF at 20 Hz (Cubase channel strip)
Brad
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Post by jcoutu1 on May 25, 2017 18:31:35 GMT -6
Here's the results of the clips I posted: A = RND 511 with Silk B = Chroma with Rogue-Tec Air C = Chroma with Rogue-Tec Air and 12 dB/oct HPF at 20 Hz (Cubase channel strip) Brad Guess my ears were working.
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Post by Guitar on May 25, 2017 19:57:06 GMT -6
Here's the results of the clips I posted: A = RND 511 with Silk B = Chroma with Rogue-Tec Air C = Chroma with Rogue-Tec Air and 12 dB/oct HPF at 20 Hz (Cubase channel strip) Brad Guess my ears were working. Guess mine aren't. LOL!
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Post by Tommy Harron on May 25, 2017 20:40:39 GMT -6
Here's the results of the clips I posted: A = RND 511 with Silk B = Chroma with Rogue-Tec Air C = Chroma with Rogue-Tec Air and 12 dB/oct HPF at 20 Hz (Cubase channel strip) Brad Nice! Sounds great! Thanks for doing this, Brad.
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Post by drbill on May 30, 2017 12:11:11 GMT -6
Why a great front end is not good enough…. (clips below) OR - How to make a sound file with less dynamic range sound like it has more dynamic range (punchier, louder) OR - Why you’re going to want to use Chroma (or else) on your killer sounding pre-recorded tracks during mixing as well as when you're tracking. So - yesterday I had to update a component in Chroma to production specs - after accomplishing the tweak I pulled up a quick session with some drums to drop Chroma into the signal path to check it out and make sure I didn’t mess up. :-) I had a drum kit I recorded here going into the Silver Bullet, so I bypassed the SB, turned off all the other drum mics except Kick (front head) and Snare (top mic) and put Chroma Proto1 on the Kick (UM70), and Chroma Proto2 on the snare (Shure 545). These drums were recorded a couple of years ago using vp28's on snare and AML 1073 on kick. Good stuff. I was happy when I tracked it, but now….IMO, it’s not quite what I needed in the mix. So - enter Chroma. What you hear below has been RMS matched. In actuality, the Chroma affected clip (2nd half of the audio clip) is down -1.0 dB in peak measurement, but RMS measurement is equal to the non affected clip. And yet..... When I tracked, these were tracked with no EQ, compression or anything else, and during this comparison there is no compression, no external eq, no verb, no effects of any kind. No nothing - just raw Chroma - with no color module inserted - on the 2nd half of the clip. Notice how the snare opens up, and how the lower octave of the kick blooms. Drums were cut somewhere around -15dBFS in Pro Tools, and Chroma inserted on the individual Bass/Snare tracks. I pushed Chroma gain up into the 1:00 territory to get the sound I was after, and then backed off the output to around 9:00 or so to match levels with the original source. Sub was engaged on the kick. Good times! Now, I opened up the rest of the mics and dropped the Silver Bullet back in on the rest of the kit. Big smiles. Wooohoooo! But that's a different story. Get ready to use those Chromas at least TWICE during your productions - during tracking and mixing both. I'm already trying to figure out how to make room in my crowded 500 racks. I have some good ideas there..... You can find the clip here. Scroll down to the clip labeled : Chroma Kick-Snare. store.louderthanliftoff.com/pages/chroma-sound-clipsMore clips coming soon!!
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Post by Tommy Harron on May 30, 2017 14:27:01 GMT -6
Very nice, drbill. Chroma did some nice tone shaping!
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Post by BradM on May 30, 2017 16:41:08 GMT -6
I notice less the tone-shaping, and more the presentation of dynamics. What strikes me in this clip is that in the second half (the Chroma processed half) it seems like the drummer is hitting harder. My head tells me it's louder. Bill assures me it's definitely not. I actually made Bill redo the clip because initially I thought his level matching was off. So apparently, you can achieve a sound at the same RMS, yet lower peak, that somehow feels like it's hitting you harder/louder. That's kind of weird and awesome at the same time.
Brad
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Post by Tommy Harron on Jun 3, 2017 11:05:19 GMT -6
Here we go. 4 Chromas ordered with 2 Mass Drivr and 2 Implode Colour modules. If they arrive before the 15th, I'll be using them for a lead vocal session for a folk/rock band. Feel free to use my referral link: r.sloyalty.com/r/vCtCIA2ywEHTI'll be keeping my eyes open for the "N" flavored Mass Drivr towards the end of the summer. And maybe another pair? Whew.
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Post by BradM on Jun 7, 2017 13:31:30 GMT -6
Thanks for the order, Tommy!
All - FET Filter and Mass Drivr Colour Modules are now shipping.
Brad
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Post by Tommy Harron on Jun 7, 2017 14:25:40 GMT -6
Thanks for the order, Tommy! All - FET Filter and Mass Drivr Colour Modules are now shipping. Brad Exciting! Who else ordered a Chroma? What Colour module did you choose?
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Post by drbill on Jun 7, 2017 18:17:21 GMT -6
I ordered two. With Mass Drivr's.
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Post by BradM on Jun 23, 2017 10:20:35 GMT -6
Hey guys, Quick status update. Production is moving along. PCB assembly is finishing up and my vendor is just awaiting for some transformers and switch caps to arrive. All the new Colour modules are ready to go. I put up a few new sound clips on the Chroma sound clip page for you all to check out. I have a Chroma vs. API 512 medley and some clips with Implode and FET Filter. Let me know what you think! Chroma vs. API 512 Medley - can you hear a difference?
Chroma Sound Clips Page - FET Filter and Implode clips
I don't know about you guys, but Chroma pretty much nails the sound of the API and the RND 511 in those clips. I'm not one to hype things, but hearing is believing... Brad
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Post by BradM on Jul 12, 2017 16:01:06 GMT -6
Check your emails, dudes!
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