Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2017 18:15:52 GMT -6
I've experienced exactly what you're describing Johneppstein, and I'm trying to figure out how not to make that happen if I release a new album. I think you're doing the right thing with you're Youtube vids. It gets people's interest. Some bands seem to be able to use all this in their favour.
|
|
|
Post by Bob Olhsson on Jan 26, 2017 18:31:28 GMT -6
Capitol was an indi until 1955 when they were acquired by EMI and the Tower was built. Monument was another important indie.
An important bit of history to understand is that according to Wall Street in the mid '50s records, movies and radio were all supposed to be replaced by television. In response the majors dropped every artist they didn't think would be a TV star. A lot of people quit the majors and started indi labels and distributorships. Fans started dedicated record stores. Dot, Elektra, Motown and Atlantic all started that way. Chess and Roulette were started by club owners.
|
|
|
Post by Martin John Butler on Jan 26, 2017 22:02:17 GMT -6
Good to know, thanks John. My point was that anyone can make a "record" now. Even though many great record companies were independent, those are real labels, had promotional teams, studios, writers, arrangers, house musicians, etc. They were designed to make money, and they worked hard at promoting their artists. You usually had to have some serious talent to be able to withstand that kind of pressure and the company of so many great writers and players. In studios like Motown, artists worked like they were stars under a movie contract, they worked tirelessly to perfect themselves, rehearsed vocals, dancing, stage presentation, public speaking, etc.
All I've been saying is there's tons more drek now, because almost anyone can get their work on iTunes, CD Baby, Youtube, etc. I don't see how can anyone dispute that?
|
|
|
Post by jakeharris on Jan 26, 2017 23:00:51 GMT -6
In terms of volume, you could say the same about every time a new and cheaper medium was introduced. Don't forget the home studio has been around for 40-years, and you've never needed an engineering degree or a particularly professional result to release a shitty record. (link is a PDF)
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2017 5:26:17 GMT -6
All I've been saying is there's tons more drek now, because almost anyone can get their work on iTunes, CD Baby, Youtube, etc. I don't see how can anyone dispute that? Drek is subjective. No one is disputing that there is tons of music available.But people normally buy / stream more than one type of music, from more than 1 artist. If you're music is head and shoulders above all this "drek", then surely it should stand out more - to use a compression analogy it should lift your music above the noise floor. All these "drek" producers should be working in your favour. A rule of business - if one or two attempts at something don't work, you need to re-evaluate and change. Do something different, re-invent yourself. You cannot use this a reason not to have your own success if you really want it that bad. I've seen people way more talented than I am get nowhere, and I've also known people have number 1 records and still earn jack. But I also know people that have carved a decent living from music. On a personal note I make music for fun (winter hobby, summer is motorbike racing) , and earn money another way.
|
|
|
Post by lcr on Jan 27, 2017 7:22:04 GMT -6
Capitol was an indi until 1955 when they were acquired by EMI and the Tower was built. Monument was another important indie. An important bit of history to understand is that according to Wall Street in the mid '50s records, movies and radio were all supposed to be replaced by television. In response the majors dropped every artist they didn't think would be a TV star. A lot of people quit the majors and started indi labels and distributorships. Fans started dedicated record stores. Dot, Elektra, Motown and Atlantic all started that way. Chess and Roulette were started by club owners. This sounds like a fantastic movie theme, and something I wasn't aware of.
|
|
|
Post by Vincent R. on Jan 27, 2017 7:56:27 GMT -6
I started my career as a studio vocalist and have been in and out of studios my whole career. I've sang through $200 microphones and $15,000 microphones, through consoles and tape machines, and straight into protools. I love the sound of real gear, but have made some amazing recordings with just emulations. The power is in the hands of the engineer/producer. I even prefer the atmosohere in small closet studios, rather than the big house places.
What I have loved about emulations, be they from Slate (I'm an everything bundle subscriber), Wavs, or UAD (Apollo owner), is that using emulations has helped me make purchase decisions on the real gear in my studio. Figuring out what aesthetic works for the kind of music I make, then making purchase decisions based on that. It's worked for me so far.
I bought the VMS to compliment the tribute microphones I have in my studio. I found the emulations work really well and get really close. I think the same argument can be made for tribute mics like Advanced Audio or Peluso as can be made for the VMS. If you can get 90% of the way there with the emulation or clone, and be able to make your music on a budget, then I am all for it. It doesn't mean I don't want to pick up a real Telefunken 251 or U67 down the line, but I can still make great music with what I have, and use emulations to fill in what I don't. Everyone has a way of doing things that works for them. None of us is wrong or right. The music will always speak for itself. Smart engineering is often more important than the gear.
IMHO
|
|
|
Post by Bob Olhsson on Jan 27, 2017 8:54:11 GMT -6
Capitol was an indi until 1955 when they were acquired by EMI and the Tower was built. Monument was another important indie. An important bit of history to understand is that according to Wall Street in the mid '50s records, movies and radio were all supposed to be replaced by television. In response the majors dropped every artist they didn't think would be a TV star. A lot of people quit the majors and started indi labels and distributorships. Fans started dedicated record stores. Dot, Elektra, Motown and Atlantic all started that way. Chess and Roulette were started by club owners. This sounds like a fantastic movie theme, and something I wasn't aware of. It would make a great movie. The majors have always been tripping over their manhood and never been responsible for any innovation when you look closely. Big corporations have the same problems as big government. The underlying problem is "big!"
|
|
|
Post by lcr on Jan 28, 2017 12:29:53 GMT -6
This sounds like a fantastic movie theme, and something I wasn't aware of. It would make a great movie. The majors have always been tripping over their manhood and never been responsible for any innovation when you look closely. Big corporations have the same problems as big government. The underlying problem is "big!" I think you just came up with another great movie theme!
|
|
|
Post by Bob Olhsson on Jan 28, 2017 13:35:04 GMT -6
The best thing about working at Motown has not been my 40+ #1 singles. It has been the hits and Grammys of the people who assisted me and the utterly amazing conversations I've had with industry people since I left in 1972.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2017 5:01:17 GMT -6
So err, is the Slate VRS actually any good? I mean sorry to go off topic and start talking about the product, but it would be cool to see if there's any feedback anywhere.
|
|
|
Post by jcoutu1 on Jan 31, 2017 9:31:05 GMT -6
So err, is the Slate VRS actually any good? I mean sorry to go off topic and start talking about the product, but it would be cool to see if there's any feedback anywhere. We don't even have a spec / feature sheet yet. Who knows...
|
|
|
Post by Johnkenn on Jan 31, 2017 10:06:46 GMT -6
Don't think it's in the wild yet, right?
|
|
|
Post by ragan on Jan 31, 2017 10:23:03 GMT -6
Yeah it's not out yet. I don't even know if it's close to out yet. Slate has a track record of early announcement/long wait. Sometimes by the time it's out, the faceplate and/or general configuration are totally different (a la VMS).
Note: I am not slagging him for it, just stating facts. As they grow, maybe that kind of thing will diminish and it'll be a smoother rollout. But given we haven't even seen specs or a rear panel shot yet, I don't know how soon I'd expect this thing out.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2017 10:41:59 GMT -6
Don't think it's in the wild yet, right? Q2 2017 it's "slated" for, although Steven has a habbit of dishing out promo unit's so I was wondering if someone far more special than me might have seen it in live action??
|
|
|
Post by iamasound on Feb 1, 2017 11:13:06 GMT -6
So all I intend to do is level the playing field and remove the "class system" in audio tools, so that more people can have access to the crayons in the box that were once out of their reach. Read more: realgearonline.com/thread/6580/digital-announces-virtual-recording-studio?page=4#ixzz4XRMhticTThey're actually not the same crayons by "virtue" of their being virtual representations. That is a great and important distinction so that we all deal in truth and agree on common definitions.
|
|
|
Post by Guitar on Feb 1, 2017 15:14:21 GMT -6
I haven't been able to read this 7 page thread yet, but I did watch the video.
I just want to send a message of empathy to Steven Slate for going up against a major industry with a very small company. I always like to root for the little guy.
I have never been too excited about the Slate Sound, but I appreciate what he's trying to do.
|
|
ericn
Temp
Balance Engineer
Posts: 14,961
|
Post by ericn on Feb 1, 2017 19:18:12 GMT -6
I haven't been able to read this 7 page thread yet, but I did watch the video. I just want to send a message of empathy to Steven Slate for going up against a major industry with a very small company. I always like to root for the little guy. I have never been too excited about the Slate Sound, but I appreciate what he's trying to do. While Pro Audio has a handful of large companies they dominate live and install far more than they do our world, I know many who would say MR Slate, while not being at the point of cashing out and trying to resereserect Newsweek, Slate is no longer one of the little guys. Remember Slate is also selling subscriptions direct, a very nice constant revenue stream.
|
|
|
Post by Vincent R. on Feb 5, 2017 13:40:03 GMT -6
Steven, What I'd like to know is if you're planning any 1U rack mountable preamp only pieces. I have a great setup with no need to upgrade to you VRS. I am also a VMS owner and everything bundle user. My biggest complaint about the VMS is the preamp being a table top unit and not a half 1U rackable unit. I'm planning on picking up a couple of the ML-2s and would love a 4 preamp 1U unit that is rackable. I'm also curious if you'll sell the ML-1 separately from the preamp set currently available. Thanks, Vincent
|
|
|
Post by Vincent R. on Apr 20, 2017 21:36:08 GMT -6
You know what irks me about Slate products? They make these big announcements and then there is complete silence. You never know when what they announced will actually be released. I say this as someone whose first plugin purchases were Slate plugins, who is an everything bundle user, a VMS owner, with 2 ML-2's on order.
|
|
|
Post by jcoutu1 on Apr 21, 2017 7:09:23 GMT -6
You know what irks me about Slate products? They make these big announcements and then there is complete silence. You never know when what they announced will actually be released. I say this as someone whose first plugin purchases were Slate plugins, who is an everything bundle user, a VMS owner, with 2 ML-2's on order. +10000000 FG-Stress anyone? This was about to drop on Black Friday when I got the everything bundle.
|
|
|
Post by Martin John Butler on Apr 21, 2017 8:32:00 GMT -6
Thinks that's bad, the FG-X Mk II was promised, get ready, 4 years ago. I haven't used my FG-X for years, it just makes things too edgy when pushed, and other company's bus compressors have gone well beyond what the FG-X does in the interim.
|
|
|
Post by ragan on Apr 21, 2017 8:34:48 GMT -6
You know what irks me about Slate products? They make these big announcements and then there is complete silence. You never know when what they announced will actually be released. I say this as someone whose first plugin purchases were Slate plugins, who is an everything bundle user, a VMS owner, with 2 ML-2's on order. +10000000 FG-Stress anyone? This was about to drop on Black Friday when I got the everything bundle. Heheh. He shot that "FG-Swiss" announcement out right before Dave Derr was releasing his AROUSOR, in a classic Slate "coming soon!!!" email blast, then got a bunch of flack for that obvious move and suddenly it's an officially licensed Distressor emu called "FG-Stress". The only Slate emu (I think?) that's officially licensed. Wonder what happened behind the scenes there.
|
|
|
Post by jcoutu1 on Apr 21, 2017 8:49:30 GMT -6
+10000000 FG-Stress anyone? This was about to drop on Black Friday when I got the everything bundle. Heheh. He shot that "FG-Swiss" announcement out right before Dave Derr was releasing his AROUSOR, in a classic Slate "coming soon!!!" email blast, then got a bunch of flack for that obvious move and suddenly it's an officially licensed Distressor emu called "FG-Stress". The only Slate emu (I think?) that's officially licensed. Wonder what happened behind the scenes there. Total load of garbage. Officially licensed and who knows when it'll arrive.
|
|
|
Post by kcatthedog on Apr 21, 2017 8:52:32 GMT -6
not interested in vapor ware ( soft or hard) at all. It only matters when it is released.
|
|