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Post by rowmat on Oct 23, 2016 18:56:58 GMT -6
There are already two xlr inputs, one for mic and one for line. Only one output though. Ok my bad. I misread the post as one input that switched between either the mic or line transformers.
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Post by indiehouse on Oct 24, 2016 17:24:21 GMT -6
Scored an ebay deal on a pair of Soyuz su-011s. They arrived today and I did a bit of toying around with them, after I finished building another ez1073. Sounds good so far. I'll take them to the studio this week and shoot them out with our km184s and some borrowed km84s. Will post some files once we get it done. Km84s are a love of mine for bluegrass. You get the chance to shoot these out next to the KM84's?
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Post by bluegrassdan on Oct 24, 2016 18:04:02 GMT -6
I am shooting them out even as I type. Two files done and about to do a mono test.
I shall return with files in a few moments.
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Post by bluegrassdan on Oct 24, 2016 19:58:23 GMT -6
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Post by tasteliketape on Oct 24, 2016 20:06:38 GMT -6
Man I just listened to gold rush on my I phone and the Soyuz was definitely nice , BUT the km84 just had a (depth?) warmth hell I don't know but I'm now looking for one
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Post by bluegrassdan on Oct 24, 2016 20:13:34 GMT -6
Man I just listened to gold rush on my I phone and the Soyuz was definitely nice , BUT the km84 just had a (depth?) warmth hell I don't know but I'm now looking for one I dunno. I'm sitting here in front of Adam monitors in my treated room and really expected to hear a bigger difference between the two. Of course, that's why I'm posting, to get everyone's opinions.
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Post by tasteliketape on Oct 24, 2016 20:46:00 GMT -6
Ok I retract my statement when I listened on my Eve monitors there really close . Maybe I can hear a little bit of transformers in the km84 , then a hair of tube in the Soyuz ,but don't know if I could pick them out in a blind test . I'd be happy with either one . By the way nice playing
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Post by drbill on Oct 24, 2016 20:47:38 GMT -6
Man I just listened to gold rush on my I phone and the Soyuz was definitely nice , BUT the km84 just had a (depth?) warmth hell I don't know but I'm now looking for one Ditto. The KM84 killed it. The Soyuz is nice, and I could see using one in an ensemble based production, but for a solo instrument like the above, the KM84 has more depth, body, mojo - no doubt for me..... And that's listening on my laptop. If I could download the files (link wouldn't let me) I'd listen to them in the studio where I could easily (and more quickly) switch back and forth.... Doubt it would change my mind though. I'm a KM84 lover though.... The Soyuz has some seriously big shoes to try and fill.... Better still are KM86's for me, but 84's are a staple here.
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Post by bluegrassdan on Oct 24, 2016 20:58:28 GMT -6
Man I just listened to gold rush on my I phone and the Soyuz was definitely nice , BUT the km84 just had a (depth?) warmth hell I don't know but I'm now looking for one Ditto. The KM84 killed it. The Soyuz is nice, and I could see using one in an ensemble based production, but for a solo instrument like the above, the KM84 has more depth, body, mojo - no doubt for me..... And that's listening on my laptop. If I could download the files (link wouldn't let me) I'd listen to them in the studio where I could easily (and more quickly) switch back and forth.... Doubt it would change my mind though. I'm a KM84 lover though.... The Soyuz has some seriously big shoes to try and fill.... Better still are KM86's for me, but 84's are a staple here. Here are the files: www.dropbox.com/sh/b8oadtnviuyecvj/AADaHDza4Z6F8EYluA1wOfGDa?dl=0
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Post by bluegrassdan on Oct 24, 2016 21:01:16 GMT -6
I'm a KM84 fan too, but sitting here using them and the Soyuz, I am not disappointed a bit. There's more in common between the two than not.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 24, 2016 21:32:58 GMT -6
bluegrass dan said, "There's more in common between the two than not".
Exactly ! The K84 is generally accepted as the king of SDC's, (correct me if I'm wrong), so what's really cool is that we now have a viable choice that's not lesser than, just slightly different than. And, it's brand spankin' new.
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Post by bluegrassdan on Oct 24, 2016 21:42:30 GMT -6
The 84 seems a bit punchier and perhaps better note separation whereas the Soyuz is a bit softer in the transients. But it's VERY subtle to me. Could see the Soyuz being far more useful in the studio than KM184, which accentuates pick noise like crazy. Sounds like the top end is smoother than Peluso P28s as well.
I dig it. AND I want some KM84s!
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Post by tasteliketape on Oct 24, 2016 21:44:55 GMT -6
The 84 seems a bit punchier and perhaps better note separation whereas the Soyuz is a bit softer in the transients. But it's VERY subtle to me. Could see the Soyuz being far more useful in the studio than KM184, which accentuates pick noise like crazy. Sounds like the top end is smoother than Peluso P28s as well. I dig it. AND I want some KM84s! I totally agree I think you nailed the description
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Post by drbill on Oct 24, 2016 21:59:51 GMT -6
Ditto. The KM84 killed it. The Soyuz is nice, and I could see using one in an ensemble based production, but for a solo instrument like the above, the KM84 has more depth, body, mojo - no doubt for me..... And that's listening on my laptop. If I could download the files (link wouldn't let me) I'd listen to them in the studio where I could easily (and more quickly) switch back and forth.... Doubt it would change my mind though. I'm a KM84 lover though.... The Soyuz has some seriously big shoes to try and fill.... Better still are KM86's for me, but 84's are a staple here. Here are the files: www.dropbox.com/sh/b8oadtnviuyecvj/AADaHDza4Z6F8EYluA1wOfGDa?dl=0Thanks Dan! BTW, awesome playing!!! My thoughts stay the same. The best way I can put this is that the KM84 files sound more "Neumann-ish". More vintage, more low mid-mojo. The Soyuz is a little clearer and modern sounding.
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Post by drbill on Oct 24, 2016 22:01:56 GMT -6
There's more in common between the two than not. I thrive on subtlties, and am after EXACTLY the "differences" between the two. What the KM84 does is what I want. Again, in a busy mix, the 11 might be better, but to me, not even close in this comparison. (Gold Rush) BTW, I know the 11 is not a "clone", but if it was a clone, I'd personally say "fail". Still, an awesome mic, and certainly useable. Congrats. Also, if this was a "comparison" between KM84, KM184 and SU11 with the goal being a "KM84" sound, I'd give the KM84 a 10 (cause it's a 84, come on... LOL) and the 184 a 4.5 and the soyuz a 7.5. So....closer to an 84 than a 184 for whatever that's worth.
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Post by sopwith on Oct 25, 2016 4:37:00 GMT -6
First of all, excellent playing Dan.
I prefer the 84s, natch. Aside from the gorgeous, round body on the 84...the Soyuz, while quite nice, seem to have a bit of grit in the high mids and low highs, noticeable on the attacks, and when you're changing hand positions. It's almost like - sibilance? A bit of harshness. Really nice chime to them though.
Just can't argue with the 84s. Hearing an acoustic guitar through an 84 is like watching a film shot at 24 frames per second; after decades of conditioning, we're so used to it, nothing else is quite as "right".
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Post by Ward on Oct 25, 2016 8:07:17 GMT -6
bluegrass dan said, " There's more in common between the two than not". Exactly ! The K84 is generally accepted as the king of SDC's, (correct me if I'm wrong), so what's really cool is that we now have a viable choice that's not lesser than, just slightly different than. And, it's brand spankin' new. If you want something new that has incredible similarity, we already have Gefell... which is the last remnants of the real Neumann company, lineage, and heritage anyhow. Johnkenn already stated that the difference between his KM84 and M300 was negligible at best.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 25, 2016 8:32:56 GMT -6
That's cool, thanks Ward. I looked at the SOS review, and they said it's similar to the KM-184, only a little darker. Cost around $750. Well, that's a lot less than $1,100 for the Soyuz, and it makes even more sense when buying a pair. SOS compared it to the KM-184, which is quite similar to the 84, but thinner in the low end. I'd take the Geffell over the KM184 from listening to the sound files.
Forgetting budget for a minute, we'd have to look at the sound itself, and the Soyuz has this very pleasant warmth, but some could prefer a plainer, more "accurate" sound, and they'd have a fair point too.
Me, I'd still like to have the Soyuz over the Gefell, but sure wouldn't argue about someone owning the Gefell, it sounds great.
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Post by drbill on Oct 25, 2016 9:07:20 GMT -6
The Oktava MC012 is a great inexpensive option as well - especially if you get the M Joly $99 mod to it. Almost indistinguishable in certain circumstances to an 84.
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Post by 79sg on Oct 25, 2016 9:14:10 GMT -6
The Oktava MC012 is a great inexpensive option as well - especially if you get the M Joly $99 mod to it. Almost indistinguishable in certain circumstances to an 84. I have one I've been meaning to send off to him. Guess it's time to do it. I bought this mic from GC probably around 1998 (?) for $99
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Post by drbill on Oct 25, 2016 10:18:24 GMT -6
The Oktava MC012 is a great inexpensive option as well - especially if you get the M Joly $99 mod to it. Almost indistinguishable in certain circumstances to an 84. I have one I've been meaning to send off to him. Guess it's time to do it. I bought this mic from GC probably around 1998 (?) for $99 Here's a clip. There are 12 or 13 intercuts between a MJ modded 012 and KM84. If you can hear the cuts you're a better listener than either myself or the guitarist - neither of us could consistently and accurately hear more than a couple..... www.mindseyeprod.com/wp_mic_clips/KM84_Clone_Clips/AcGtr1-Intercuts-84-MJ012.wav
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 25, 2016 10:27:41 GMT -6
Great posts here guys. Well done drbill!
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Post by 79sg on Oct 25, 2016 11:19:37 GMT -6
I have one I've been meaning to send off to him. Guess it's time to do it. I bought this mic from GC probably around 1998 (?) for $99 Here's a clip. There are 12 or 13 intercuts between a MJ modded 012 and KM84. If you can hear the cuts you're a better listener than either myself or the guitarist - neither of us could consistently and accurately hear more than a couple..... www.mindseyeprod.com/wp_mic_clips/KM84_Clone_Clips/AcGtr1-Intercuts-84-MJ012.wavThanks for sharing drbill! Looks like I'll be heading over to his website today and put in my order for the mod. Seems like it will be $119 well spent.
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Post by drbill on Oct 25, 2016 11:35:40 GMT -6
Thanks for sharing drbill! Looks like I'll be heading over to his website today and put in my order for the mod. Seems like it will be $119 well spent. Cool. Def worth the money. It's not an exact clone for an 84, but certainly worth the money it costs. It's slightly more modern sounding (though not as modern as the 11 here) with a little more open top end and bigger low bass. On the right guitar, with the right placement it's very very close.
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