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Post by jin167 on Sept 28, 2016 7:21:04 GMT -6
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Post by ChaseUTB on Sept 28, 2016 7:40:03 GMT -6
Gorgeous looking and I'm sure it's gorgeous sounding to boot. I wish I could see/ hear this new preamp by itself as well as the new Super diode bridge compressor ( pre eq/ post eq in this shelford channel) !
They priced themself right out of the market at $3.5k IMO. At $2k they could not build these quick enough. At $2.5k, they would enter the channel strip market still as a lower priced high quality, full featured unit and have no issues selling these. $3500 though, I don't see many takers when other companies ( Great river, Aurora Audio, AML ) offer more for that amount of $$$
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 28, 2016 7:45:38 GMT -6
It's definitely pretty, but wiz didn't you say you didn't like the EQ?
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Post by ericn on Sept 28, 2016 7:56:05 GMT -6
Gorgeous looking and I'm sure it's gorgeous sounding to boot. I wish I could see/ hear this new preamp by itself as well as the new Super diode bridge compressor ( pre eq/ post eq in this shelford channel) ! They priced themself right out of the market at $3.5k IMO. At $2k they could not build these quick enough. At $2.5k, they would enter the channel strip market still as a lower priced high quality, full featured unit and have no issues selling these. $3500 though, I don't see many takers when other companies ( Great river, Aurora Audio, AML ) offer more for that amount of $$$ Yeah but it says Rupert Neve! Add in the price of all those big Ads and your golden!
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 28, 2016 8:25:08 GMT -6
Neve is the Ralph Lauren of pro audio.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Sept 28, 2016 8:31:29 GMT -6
Neve is the Ralph Lauren of pro audio. *Louis Vuitton
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Post by kilroyrock on Sept 28, 2016 9:02:21 GMT -6
Look at that blend knob on the compressor. Talk about hardware emulating software! I'm no historian, but it's something I'm happy is being included in modern hardware builds, as they are not expecting people to be running through consoles to blend using multiple channels. But yeah, 3500. Oof.
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Post by ericn on Sept 28, 2016 9:17:33 GMT -6
Neve is the Ralph Lauren of pro audio. Nah Ralph's the American who thinks he's British and Rupert's the Harley ridding Brit living in Small town TX! So who's the Armani ? Versace or Dolce and Gabbana of Audio ? Is API the Brooks Bros and Jeff Steiger the Tom Ford?
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 28, 2016 9:18:52 GMT -6
Who is the Peavey of the fashion world?
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Post by jcoutu1 on Sept 28, 2016 9:30:57 GMT -6
Who is the Peavey of the fashion world? Wal Mart.
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Post by jamesa on Sept 28, 2016 9:54:21 GMT -6
It looks like the Aurora GTQC and the Portico II Channel had a baby. A very expensive baby.
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Post by ericn on Sept 28, 2016 10:07:38 GMT -6
Who is the Peavey of the fashion world? Depends Everybody shits on them and nobody admits they use them!
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Post by kcatthedog on Sept 28, 2016 10:19:01 GMT -6
Can't say I dig the price either but I guess they think a neve pre, eq and comp each for a grand ?
with taxes landed this would be well over 5 grand cdn
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Post by 79sg on Sept 28, 2016 10:21:50 GMT -6
Don't worry, one day someone will take their design, build and sell if to you for substantially less (no corners cut I'm sure) however you'll wait a year to hopefully get it.
In the meantime, it looks like a great piece of gear and yes it is expensive, most of the good stuff is. My RND Portico ii Master Bus Processor was expensive too but worth every hard earned dollar, to me.
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Post by joseph on Sept 28, 2016 11:21:27 GMT -6
It's definitely pretty, but wiz didn't you say you didn't like the EQ? Assuming that the eq in 5052 Shelford is basically same as this and 551 (sans silk) Wiz tried, I think it's probably disappointing if you expect it to sound like a 1073/84, namely the euphonic high shelf. I pretty much only really like the 8khz shelf on the Shelford as useful midband alternative and to take edge off things. Rest gets job done, but nothing special. But then I don't like the GML highs much either. It doesn't sound like an old neve design, although the midband is most neve-like, but still great alternative non-sterile eq for mid and low shaping, room mics and program material without phase shift (unlike old neves, which shift phase as soon as you engage them), love the bell and variable hpf. Preamp is very low noise, sounds good.
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Post by wiz on Sept 28, 2016 15:15:31 GMT -6
It's definitely pretty, but wiz didn't you say you didn't like the EQ? Hi Johnkennyes, I owned the 551 and I didn't like it at all. In fact, I just saw this thing come in via email, and just looked at it and watched the video. The every first thing I looked at was the EQ. Its different than the 551. No idea whether I would like it better. I dunno.. this thing is 3495USD its gonna run really high here in OZ gonna have to be 6500AUD.. which is insane money. If I had that sort of money, I would buy something else. Thats 1073 and LA2A/1176 money almost. cheers Wiz
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Post by joseph on Sept 28, 2016 15:49:54 GMT -6
It's definitely pretty, but wiz didn't you say you didn't like the EQ? Hi Johnkenn yes, I owned the 551 and I didn't like it at all. In fact, I just saw this thing come in via email, and just looked at it and watched the video. The every first thing I looked at was the EQ. Its different than the 551. No idea whether I would like it better. I dunno.. this thing is 3495USD its gonna run really high here in OZ gonna have to be 6500AUD.. which is insane money. If I had that sort of money, I would buy something else. Thats 1073 and LA2A/1176 money almost. cheers Wiz You're right the mid points are different. I rather like 6khz on the 5052, has the most harmonic color, especially with red silk engaged, and band interaction with 8khz cut can be useful, very different from interaction on an older neve design. I'm guessing the highs on this are basically same as 551/Shelford i.e. underwhelming. I have 2 BAE 1073Ds and they are definitely more euphonic sounding for both mids and highs, absolutely awesome sounding on vocals and overheads for example, but sometimes they shift the source too much, make it pop out or sit differently when I don't want it to (half the time this is exactly what I'm looking for, like on snare). This sitting shift is especially noticeable on bass drum and bass guitar, the popping out with snare. Same deal on vocal, as soon as you engage eq on 1073 type, it tightens up the sound. This is not true of the Shelford. So it's good for pushing mids without altering character of mic capture as much. The bell option on the Shelford low end is also way tighter than a 1073 low shelf. Reminds me of GML. Pretty great for electronic stuff. For me this is horses for courses. I find the rupert neve stuff is more colorful than SSL and curves grip more than 550a's. I'm curious is to how the great river eq2nv compares, never tried that. Yeah, I would look at the Chandler Microphone Cassette too for less money, but guessing a pair of these would slightly more flexible for bus duties with the compressor section.
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Post by wiz on Sept 28, 2016 15:56:24 GMT -6
Hi Johnkenn yes, I owned the 551 and I didn't like it at all. In fact, I just saw this thing come in via email, and just looked at it and watched the video. The every first thing I looked at was the EQ. Its different than the 551. No idea whether I would like it better. I dunno.. this thing is 3495USD its gonna run really high here in OZ gonna have to be 6500AUD.. which is insane money. If I had that sort of money, I would buy something else. Thats 1073 and LA2A/1176 money almost. cheers Wiz You're right the mid points are different. I rather like 6khz on the 5052, has the most harmonic color, especially with red silk engaged, and band interaction with 8khz cut can be useful, very different from interaction on an older neve design. I'm guessing the highs on this are basically same as 551/Shelford i.e. underwhelming. I have 2 BAE 1073Ds and they are definitely more euphonic sounding for both mids and highs, absolutely awesome sounding on vocals and overheads for example, but sometimes they shift the source too much, make it pop out or sit differently when I don't want it to (half the time this is exactly what I'm looking for, like on snare). This sitting shift is especially noticeable on bass drum and bass guitar, the popping out with snare. Same deal on vocal, as soon as you engage eq on 1073 type, it tightens up the sound. This is not true of the Shelford. So it's good for pushing mids without altering character of mic capture as much. The bell option on the Shelford low end is also way tighter than a 1073 low shelf. Reminds me of GML. Pretty great for electronic stuff. For me this is horses for courses. I find the rupert neve stuff is more colorful than SSL and curves grip more than 550a's. I'm curious is to how the great river eq2nv compares, never tried that. Yeah, I would look at the Chandler Microphone Cassette too for less money, but guessing a pair of these would slightly more flexible for bus duties with the compressor section. You reminded me of something, IIRC the specs on the 551 were +- 1dB, and they used every bit of it... so much that I wrote to them asking if there was a problem... with the EQ set flat, and switched in, the difference in sound from switching the flat EQ out was so drastic that I thought it might be broken. Now with that kind of swing, I just thought that it was unacceptable. Let alone, I extremely disliked the high end. I have often looked at the 1073D .. I own the 1073DMP and use it as my main vocal preamp paired with a U87. cheers Wiz
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Post by joseph on Sept 28, 2016 16:15:11 GMT -6
You're right the mid points are different. I rather like 6khz on the 5052, has the most harmonic color, especially with red silk engaged, and band interaction with 8khz cut can be useful, very different from interaction on an older neve design. I'm guessing the highs on this are basically same as 551/Shelford i.e. underwhelming. I have 2 BAE 1073Ds and they are definitely more euphonic sounding for both mids and highs, absolutely awesome sounding on vocals and overheads for example, but sometimes they shift the source too much, make it pop out or sit differently when I don't want it to (half the time this is exactly what I'm looking for, like on snare). This sitting shift is especially noticeable on bass drum and bass guitar, the popping out with snare. Same deal on vocal, as soon as you engage eq on 1073 type, it tightens up the sound. This is not true of the Shelford. So it's good for pushing mids without altering character of mic capture as much. The bell option on the Shelford low end is also way tighter than a 1073 low shelf. Reminds me of GML. Pretty great for electronic stuff. For me this is horses for courses. I find the rupert neve stuff is more colorful than SSL and curves grip more than 550a's. I'm curious is to how the great river eq2nv compares, never tried that. Yeah, I would look at the Chandler Microphone Cassette too for less money, but guessing a pair of these would slightly more flexible for bus duties with the compressor section. You reminded me of something, IIRC the specs on the 551 were +- 1dB, and they used every bit of it... so much that I wrote to them asking if there was a problem... with the EQ set flat, and switched in, the difference in sound from switching the flat EQ out was so drastic that I thought it might be broken. Now with that kind of swing, I just thought that it was unacceptable. Let alone, I extremely disliked the high end. I have often looked at the 1073D .. I own the 1073DMP and use it as my main vocal preamp paired with a U87. cheers Wiz That is weird, the only time I notice the 5052s when you engage eq is the inductor ringing when combined with 1176 and high makeup gain. Under most circumstances sound is pretty much unchanged, certainly way less so than my other eqs. I wonder if the 551 is a little different then. I figured it was basically the same without silk and less beefy transformer and power supply. In any case, would definitely consider the high end of shelford more sterile than 1073/84. I got the 1073Ds as a less crazy expensive way to get into the 1084 type shelf options. I love 16khz to open up U87 and 10khz on drum bus/ribbons, sometimes snare. Also when eqing low end sources, if you engage the high band at 10khz with no actual boost or cut, it sounds different and often better than at 12khz with no boost or cut, or high band simply off. I like the 10khz engaged interaction better for Kick drum, something about the mid-shift. Therefore, I give a big thumbs up to the 1073D.
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 28, 2016 17:01:53 GMT -6
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Post by wiz on Sept 28, 2016 17:16:41 GMT -6
I am actually holding off buying/building because of that thing 8) cheers Wiz
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Post by pope on Sept 28, 2016 17:20:29 GMT -6
Funny thing is that if it was housed in a 3U rack, many people would justify the high price…
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Post by kilroyrock on Sept 29, 2016 5:44:41 GMT -6
Neve is the Ralph Lauren of pro audio. Nah Ralph's the American who thinks he's British and Rupert's the Harley ridding Brit living in Small town TX! So who's the Armani ? Versace or Dolce and Gabbana of Audio ? Is API the Brooks Bros and Jeff Steiger the Tom Ford? Shadow Hills takes that Armani role
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Post by hadaja on Sept 29, 2016 6:33:38 GMT -6
So hows this different to the portico II channel strip?
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Post by jin167 on Sept 29, 2016 7:02:03 GMT -6
So hows this different to the portico II channel strip? portico II with fewer features. VU meter. AND the color of the chassis (this is important. Makes the unit sound more VINTAGE *wink*).
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