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Post by kevinkace on May 6, 2016 15:33:50 GMT -6
I bought a pair of DIYRE Colours a couple years ago and I'm finally getting to building them (I know I know), but I'll need a rack! I plan to fill the additional slots with DIY mic pres.
I was originally planning on building a CAPI VPR (and some CAPI mic pres as well), but now wondering if I should tame my appetite and just pickup a Lindell 510.
Thoughts or experience with the 2 mentioned (or other) units?
Thanks!
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Post by stratboy on May 6, 2016 15:51:12 GMT -6
I have the Lindell 506, and it has been great. That said, you might want to look at the Fredenstein as an alternative to the 510.
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Post by unit7 on May 6, 2016 15:54:36 GMT -6
I bought a pair of DIYRE Colours a couple years ago and I'm finally getting to building them (I know I know), but I'll need a rack! I plan to fill the additional slots with DIY mic pres. I was originally planning on building a CAPI VPR (and some CAPI mic pres as well), but now wondering if I should tame my appetite and just pickup a Lindell 510. Thoughts or experience with the 2 mentioned (or other) units? Thanks! Welcome to the forum! I think the general consensus is that the CAPI PSU has the overkill that many prefer. Price wise the big gain comes if you'll need two racks and go for a PSU that powers two racks (22 slots totally) |
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Post by ericn on May 6, 2016 15:56:51 GMT -6
Welcome to RGO, The CAPI is hard to beat!
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Post by Johnkenn on May 6, 2016 16:32:01 GMT -6
Yeah. I think the capi is the much better quality...just depends if you want to spend your time building it. I haven't heard the greatest reviews of the Lindell modules.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 6, 2016 16:32:14 GMT -6
Welcome, btw!
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Post by Randge on May 6, 2016 16:57:48 GMT -6
You can bank on the Capi being of high quality. I can't say about the Lindell, as I have never touched one. I am always hyper conscious of excess heat with 500 modules, so go with a more expensive rack that dissipates heat well.
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Post by rowmat on May 6, 2016 17:26:08 GMT -6
I purchased a CAPI VPR and dual PSU over a year ago and it's been rock solid.
I gave up waiting for the Lindell 10 slot rack to ship.
Recently I bought a second CAPI VPR rack which will also run off the existing supplies 2nd output.
I also prefer racks that use external power supplies.
Racks fitted with internal supplies invariably suffer more PSU noise than racks using external PSU's.
If you can solder I would go for the CAPI.
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Post by mdmitch2 on May 6, 2016 20:25:50 GMT -6
I purchased a CAPI VPR and dual PSU over a year ago and it's been rock solid. I gave up waiting for the Lindell 10 slot rack to ship. Recently I bought a second CAPI VPR rack which will also run off the existing supplies 2nd output. I also prefer racks that use external power supplies. Racks fitted with internal supplies invariably suffer more PSU noise than racks using external PSU's. If you can solder I would go for the CAPI. +1 on basically all of this. |
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Post by ericn on May 6, 2016 20:49:59 GMT -6
Jeff's PSU is probably the best of the lot, Unless your buts enough to used a trimmed down console PSU, now who would do that?
The soldering of a rack is repetitive as hell, but you have the option of say hardwiring the rack to a patchbay!
Lindell is a Bargain, but the PSU is the polar opposite of Jeff's !
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Post by gouge on May 6, 2016 20:56:59 GMT -6
Going to shout out for the jlm rack. I have 4 different brands in use but the jlm is on the shopping list, it's engineered extremely well and has a cover that goes over the front. I spoke with Joe a while back and he was talking about extra filtering to individual modules. The aussie dollar is also great for overseas buyers.
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Post by tonycamphd on May 6, 2016 21:16:02 GMT -6
welcome to the forum, when it comes to great gear, 100 times out of 100, it starts with a great power supply, Jeff's 51x box has a killer beefy linear power supply with up to 500ma per slot(if i remember correctly?), the lindel has a cheap as it gets switching power supply, their lofty adverts brag it makes 400mv per slot, but fail to mention that the 400mv is provided by a noisy $2 Chinese switching supply that has no business in anything pro audio, but i'm sure it's great..... for me to poop on! 8) seriously though, you get what you pay for, if you intend on capturing high end, professional sound quality, anything lindel shouldn't even be a consideration IMO. check this out... www.gearslutz.com/board/low-end-theory/915317-hum-lindell-506-a.html |
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Post by Quint on May 6, 2016 21:59:08 GMT -6
welcome to the forum, when it comes to great gear, 100 times out of 100, it starts with a great power supply, Jeff's 51x box has a killer beefy linear power supply with up to 500ma per slot(if i remember correctly?), the lindel has a cheap as it gets switching power supply, their lofty adverts brag it makes 400mv per slot, but fail to mention that the 400mv is provided by a noisy $2 Chinese switching supply that has no business in anything pro audio, but i'm sure it's great..... for me to poop on! 8) seriously though, you get what you pay for, if you intend on capturing high end, professional sound quality, anything lindel shouldn't even be a consideration IMO. check this out... www.gearslutz.com/board/low-end-theory/915317-hum-lindell-506-a.htmlI don't own any Lindell gear but this has been my impression of his stuff as well. You get what you pay for. By the time you upgrade the transformers and opamps in his stuff, you could have just built a kick ass CAPI unit and owned something you'll never get rid of. Ever. The same applies to Lindell's budget racks, even more so for racks compared to individual 500 series units. Considering how many (as many as 11 units) reside in a rack, that's a LOT of signal paths to trust to a less than ideal psu, particularly if all the slots are used at the same time. |
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Post by drbill on May 6, 2016 22:38:47 GMT -6
CAPI all the way. Zero doubts on that. The PS is very robust, but I'm insane about those kinds of things, and will ultimately mod a large format console power supply to power my CAPI racks (44 spaces). Get the CAPI and don't look back.
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Post by gouge on May 6, 2016 23:19:18 GMT -6
welcome to the forum, when it comes to great gear, 100 times out of 100, it starts with a great power supply, Jeff's 51x box has a killer beefy linear power supply with up to 500ma per slot(if i remember correctly?), the lindel has a cheap as it gets switching power supply, their lofty adverts brag it makes 400mv per slot, but fail to mention that the 400mv is provided by a noisy $2 Chinese switching supply that has no business in anything pro audio, but i'm sure it's great..... for me to poop on! 8) seriously though, you get what you pay for, if you intend on capturing high end, professional sound quality, anything lindel shouldn't even be a consideration IMO. check this out... www.gearslutz.com/board/low-end-theory/915317-hum-lindell-506-a.htmlI don't own any Lindell gear but this has been my impression of his stuff as well. You get what you pay for. By the time you upgrade the transformers and opamps in his stuff, you could have just built a kick ass CAPI unit and owned something you'll never get rid of. Ever. The same applies to Lindell's budget racks, even more so for racks compared to individual 500 series units. Considering how many (as many as 11 units) reside in a rack, that's a LOT of signal paths to trust to a less than ideal psu, particularly if all the slots are used at the same time. I own a Lindell 500 eq. I took it out of the rack. 2 things that I thought were a bit meh, First was a push switch that when tapped would throw the knob across the room and second was the tone sounded amateurish. |
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Post by rowmat on May 6, 2016 23:54:26 GMT -6
Going to shout out for the jlm rack. I have 4 different brands in use but the jlm is on the shopping list, it's engineered extremely well and has a cover that goes over the front. I spoke with Joe a while back and he was talking about extra filtering to individual modules. The aussie dollar is also great for overseas buyers. I don't own a JLM 500 series rack but I do have some LA500A's and BA500's and they're great. The few times I have rung JLM Joe has personally answered the telephone and a two minute enquiry has turned into a 20 minute conversation. Joe knows his stuff! |
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Post by stratboy on May 7, 2016 9:25:50 GMT -6
I'm going to refine my initial endorsement a bit.
I bought my 506 and two 6x preamps when they came out. I had been watching 500 series for years but couldn't justfy the cost to get into it. The 506 made it easy. Kind of like the Mackie 1604, the Lindell product broke through the price barrier and opened up the 500 market to a lot more people.
I haven't experienced the noisy PSU Tony talks about, but you do get what you pay for. My 506 came with a bad slot, and one of the 6x had a gain problem. Tobias Lindell and Rad Distribution were great, fixed everything, no charge. Since then, all the units have worked fine.
When I rebuilt my studio, I now had enough 500 processors to move to a ten space rack. So I did my research and bought a Fredenstein bento 10. Heavy duty unit, reasonable price. I would build a Capi, except I am limiting myself to 10 spaces (it's a zen thing), so the Capi price advantage for two racks doesn't really kick in for me.
I think if the OP wants to try 500 for low budget, a 506 is fine. Middle range on quality and price, try a Bento, top of the line, Capi.
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Post by tonycamphd on May 7, 2016 10:00:50 GMT -6
I'm going to refine my initial endorsement a bit. I bought my 506 and two 6x preamps when they came out. I had been watching 500 series for years but couldn't justfy the cost to get into it. The 506 made it easy. Kind of like the Mackie 1604, the Lindell produce broke through the price barrier and opened up the 500 market to a lot more people. I haven't experienced the noisy PSU Tony talks about, but you do get what you pay for. My 506 came with a bad slot, and one of the 6x had a gain problem. Tobias Lindell and Rad Distribution were great, fixed everything, no charge. Since then, all the units have worked fine. When I rebuilt my studio, I now had enough 500 processors to move to a ten space rack. So I did my research and bought a Fredenstein bento 10. Heavy duty unit, reasonable price. I would build a Capi, except I am limiting myself to 10 spaces (it's a zen thing), so the Capi price advantage for two racks doesn't really kick in for me. I think if the OP wants to try 500 for low budget, a 506 is fine. Middle range on quality and price, try a Bento, top of the line, Capi. I'm seriously glad it's working out for you SB, i made an immediate decision to not participate on the switching supply alone, those can be useful, but it takes serious effort by a qualified designer to make them up to snuff, as far as "Tony talks about", i got the info from here.... www.gearslutz.com/board/low-end-theory/915317-hum-lindell-506-a.htmlbtw, for a double post, just go up to the top right and hit the gear wheel, it should offer you a "delete post" option 8) |
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Post by mulmany on May 7, 2016 10:20:23 GMT -6
Not to push, but I have a radial powerstrip for sale in the classifieds. that will get your colors up and space for a pre.
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Post by stratboy on May 7, 2016 11:36:59 GMT -6
I'm going to refine my initial endorsement a bit. I bought my 506 and two 6x preamps when they came out. I had been watching 500 series for years but couldn't justfy the cost to get into it. The 506 made it easy. Kind of like the Mackie 1604, the Lindell produce broke through the price barrier and opened up the 500 market to a lot more people. I haven't experienced the noisy PSU Tony talks about, but you do get what you pay for. My 506 came with a bad slot, and one of the 6x had a gain problem. Tobias Lindell and Rad Distribution were great, fixed everything, no charge. Since then, all the units have worked fine. When I rebuilt my studio, I now had enough 500 processors to move to a ten space rack. So I did my research and bought a Fredenstein bento 10. Heavy duty unit, reasonable price. I would build a Capi, except I am limiting myself to 10 spaces (it's a zen thing), so the Capi price advantage for two racks doesn't really kick in for me. I think if the OP wants to try 500 for low budget, a 506 is fine. Middle range on quality and price, try a Bento, top of the line, Capi. I'm seriously glad it's working out for you SB, i made an immediate decision to not participate on the switching supply alone, those can be useful, but it takes serious effort by a qualified designer to make them up to snuff, as far as "Tony talks about", i got the info from here.... www.gearslutz.com/board/low-end-theory/915317-hum-lindell-506-a.htmlbtw, for a double post, just go up to the top right and hit the gear wheel, it should offer you a "delete post" option 8) Thanks for the help with the double post problem, Tony! |
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Post by kevinkace on May 8, 2016 19:00:36 GMT -6
Wow, thanks for the warm welcome and the thorough replies!
Now I just have to few free weeks in the calendar for the CAPI!
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Post by stribor1 on May 9, 2016 3:44:49 GMT -6
If you are in the US CAPI is the way to go, for us in Europe the price tag is to high due to shipping and import duties. There are ocationally some European kits available at GroupDIY but the price was around the 800€ mark for 10 slots which is to high for DIY IMO. I went with the Fredenstein Bento 10 for 555€ at Thomann.de, works great I have all 10 slots filled no issues since I bought it 2 years ago.
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Post by kilroyrock on May 9, 2016 5:36:58 GMT -6
My 399.99 lindell 510 ships today... Now I'm scared...
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Post by jcoutu1 on May 9, 2016 5:51:18 GMT -6
My 399.99 lindell 510 ships today... Now I'm scared... I have a 6 space Lindell that's been running smooth for months with 4 modules on it. Just got a couple more modules in to fill it up, but haven't tested full yet. |
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Post by gouge on May 9, 2016 6:11:06 GMT -6
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