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Post by tonycamphd on May 9, 2016 6:14:55 GMT -6
I believe Volker at GDIY is Capi's European counterpart when it comes to 51x boxes?,.... jsteiger ?
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Post by kilroyrock on May 9, 2016 6:25:01 GMT -6
It seems from going to the links, the biggest issue with cheaper racks is shielding not being added around the power supply, which may produce hum with higher voltages running through the units (cranked mic pre's)?
The plus for the CAPI rack is the 24v rails for don classics and other 51x modules, the dual use power supply as well?
How many 24v modules are there other than the Neve clones?
so for S's and G's, we're looking at 20 bucks more to shield that power supply from the modules, much like how many of us have probably shielded the inside of a Stratocaster from those nasty single coil hums.
I'd say for my next rack I may get a 24v capi rack - or maybe somebody could figure out a mod/kit to make a 16v rack a 24v rack, and then you've got the best of both worlds?
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Post by tonycamphd on May 9, 2016 6:38:12 GMT -6
A cheap switching psu will never compete with a linear psu for moving audio, ull have to do a lot more than just shielding to get it there... if at all(see hypex power amps) The dual psu by CAPI can run 22 16v units, if more users/manufacturers knew the sound quality advantages of running higher V(headroom etc), the 51x boxes would be hard to keep stocked IMO
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Post by kilroyrock on May 9, 2016 8:24:01 GMT -6
I'm guessing my A designs 500HR 2 space is also a switching, so it'll be the same as I already have? I'll check my RND 511 between the two and see if there's a difference on the slots.
I've also had no issues with the A designs, I got the rack and a 511 together for 600 bucks a while back, which got me into the game of spending even more of the money I don't have..
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Post by EmRR on May 9, 2016 8:36:30 GMT -6
Many of those Meanwell switching supplies are fine off the shelf, delivering lower THD than a more expensive linear.
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Post by kilroyrock on May 9, 2016 8:40:34 GMT -6
Many of those Meanwell switching supplies are fine off the shelf, delivering lower THD than a more expensive linear. Which of the boxes have meanwell switching supplies?
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Post by Quint on May 9, 2016 9:18:14 GMT -6
I almost got one of those but found a good deal on a used BAE 11-space rack and Chandler psu.
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Post by tonycamphd on May 9, 2016 9:23:16 GMT -6
Many of those Meanwell switching supplies are fine off the shelf, delivering lower THD than a more expensive linear. I'm pretty sure Dan Deurloo sells some switching supplies, but he put together significant filtering arrays to clean them up to reach high Q, there are a host of different things that happen in those chattery supplies, mostly way over my head, here's a link to a "series for geeks" of the issues a guy had with high frequency stuff, not exactly an apples to apples, but it shows problems inherent to switching supply's, interesting none the less...., i'm mostly ignorant to the nutz and boltz assembly of these designs, but I wonder if the lindell is 1/2 wave rectified or full? My memory of high grade audio is tied to seeing full wave rectified linear PSU's, my memory of low grade audio is usually coupled to seeing a switching supply, YMMV
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Post by EmRR on May 9, 2016 9:47:01 GMT -6
Many of those Meanwell switching supplies are fine off the shelf, delivering lower THD than a more expensive linear. Which of the boxes have meanwell switching supplies? General comment defending switchers, no idea if any use them. You can measure lower THD with some switchers than you can with a linear supply, I've heard it from a few guys making commercial product. Blanket statements do not apply. You get what you pay for in mechanical construction.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 10, 2016 9:17:33 GMT -6
My 399.99 lindell 510 ships today... Now I'm scared... Hey - if it works...onward and upward.
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Post by stratboy on May 12, 2016 6:19:27 GMT -6
I believe that, except in rare circumstances, a high quality module in a low price rack is still going to sound like a high quality piece of gear. You are going to love the sound of a chandler pre just as much in a Lindell as in a Capi, and either way, it's going to cost you less to assemble a nice set of processors than the equivalent rack mount units. I say, welcome to the wonderful world of 500 series and thank you to the manufacturer who figured out how to price the rack so you could get there.
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Post by stratboy on May 12, 2016 6:33:03 GMT -6
Next, build some Capi modules. You will increase the price to value equation even more!
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Post by kilroyrock on May 12, 2016 7:40:55 GMT -6
I got my 510 rack last night. This thing is HEAVY - shipping weight was 18 lbs. 1/4" metal enclosure? big heavy rack ears.. even if I have to replace the guts of the power supply, because that's all this is, the rack itself is gorgeous. Just sold a moog slim phatty for some capi pre money
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Post by Quint on May 13, 2016 18:41:07 GMT -6
I believe that, except in rare circumstances, a high quality module in a low price rack is still going to sound like a high quality piece of gear. You are going to love the sound of a chandler pre just as much in a Lindell as in a Capi, and either way, it's going to cost you less to assemble a nice set of processors than the equivalent rack mount units. I say, welcome to the wonderful world of 500 series and thank you to the manufacturer who figured out how to price the rack so you could get there. But will that same logic apply if you're running 10 (or 11) of them at the same time? I think that's the true test.
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Post by ericn on May 13, 2016 18:56:38 GMT -6
I believe that, except in rare circumstances, a high quality module in a low price rack is still going to sound like a high quality piece of gear. You are going to love the sound of a chandler pre just as much in a Lindell as in a Capi, and either way, it's going to cost you less to assemble a nice set of processors than the equivalent rack mount units. I say, welcome to the wonderful world of 500 series and thank you to the manufacturer who figured out how to price the rack so you could get there. Good power is good power and makes a difference, more so with a bunch of modules!
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Post by stratboy on May 13, 2016 19:12:11 GMT -6
I believe that, except in rare circumstances, a high quality module in a low price rack is still going to sound like a high quality piece of gear. You are going to love the sound of a chandler pre just as much in a Lindell as in a Capi, and either way, it's going to cost you less to assemble a nice set of processors than the equivalent rack mount units. I say, welcome to the wonderful world of 500 series and thank you to the manufacturer who figured out how to price the rack so you could get there. But will that same logic apply if you're running 10 (or 11) of them at the same time? I think that's the true test. Good point. All I can say is, I ran my 506 fully loaded, with a Lindell 6x pre, a vintage API 525 comp, an IGS S-type buss comp, and an Elysia xFilter EQ and all the modules sounded the way they should, IMO. What I keep trying to get at is: the Lindell product got me into 500. I don't own any Capi (yet) because I don't have time right now to build kits, but I totally respect jsteiger and all the knowledgeable guys here who are fans. That said, it is really splitting a very, very fine hair to worry about some of the concerns that have been raised here, when the real benefit is to get into 500. I never could have assembled the kind of 2-buss chain I did, for the money I paid, without overcoming that initial price hurdle. It may not be as obvious now, but at the time, the rack choices out there made the initial investment steep to get into 500. Now, Lindell has several competitors at the same price point, so maybe I am flogging a dead argument. I am not a fanboy, but Tobias Lindell and his distributor treated me well, the product worked fine, I made a CD, it sounds good. I will shut up now.
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Post by ericn on May 13, 2016 19:23:33 GMT -6
But will that same logic apply if you're running 10 (or 11) of them at the same time? I think that's the true test. Good point. All I can say is, I ran my 506 fully loaded, with a Lindell 6x pre, a vintage API 525 comp, an IGS S-type buss comp, and an Elysia xFilter EQ and all the modules sounded the way they should, IMO. What I keep trying to get at is: the Lindell product got me into 500. I don't own any Capi (yet) because I don't have time right now to build kits, but I totally respect jsteiger and all the knowledgeable guys here who are fans. That said, it is really splitting a very, very fine hair to worry about some of the concerns that have been raised here, when the real benefit is to get into 500. I never could have assembled the kind of 2-buss chain I did, for the money I paid, without overcoming that initial price hurdle. It may not be as obvious now, but at the time, the rack choices out there made the initial investment steep to get into 500. Now, Lindell has several competitors at the same price point, so maybe I am flogging a dead argument. I am not a fanboy, but Tobias Lindell and his distributor treated me well, the product worked fine, I made a CD, it sounds good. I will shut up now. I will grant you that and say the PSU in my original 4 space Aphex the original Lunchbox is far from robust and it never sounded bad, but when pushed hard my CAPI rack with DDA console PSU has more head room!
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Post by Quint on May 13, 2016 19:26:36 GMT -6
Good point. All I can say is, I ran my 506 fully loaded, with a Lindell 6x pre, a vintage API 525 comp, an IGS S-type buss comp, and an Elysia xFilter EQ and all the modules sounded the way they should, IMO. What I keep trying to get at is: the Lindell product got me into 500. I don't own any Capi (yet) because I don't have time right now to build kits, but I totally respect jsteiger and all the knowledgeable guys here who are fans. That said, it is really splitting a very, very fine hair to worry about some of the concerns that have been raised here, when the real benefit is to get into 500. I never could have assembled the kind of 2-buss chain I did, for the money I paid, without overcoming that initial price hurdle. It may not be as obvious now, but at the time, the rack choices out there made the initial investment steep to get into 500. Now, Lindell has several competitors at the same price point, so maybe I am flogging a dead argument. I am not a fanboy, but Tobias Lindell and his distributor treated me well, the product worked fine, I made a CD, it sounds good. I will shut up now. I will grant you that and say the PSU in my original 4 space Aphex the original Lunchbox is far from robust and it never sounded bad, but when pushed hard my CAPI rack with DDA console PSU has more head room! And there in lies the rub. Headroom. I'll take excess headroom everytime.
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Post by stratboy on May 13, 2016 19:38:36 GMT -6
Good point. All I can say is, I ran my 506 fully loaded, with a Lindell 6x pre, a vintage API 525 comp, an IGS S-type buss comp, and an Elysia xFilter EQ and all the modules sounded the way they should, IMO. What I keep trying to get at is: the Lindell product got me into 500. I don't own any Capi (yet) because I don't have time right now to build kits, but I totally respect jsteiger and all the knowledgeable guys here who are fans. That said, it is really splitting a very, very fine hair to worry about some of the concerns that have been raised here, when the real benefit is to get into 500. I never could have assembled the kind of 2-buss chain I did, for the money I paid, without overcoming that initial price hurdle. It may not be as obvious now, but at the time, the rack choices out there made the initial investment steep to get into 500. Now, Lindell has several competitors at the same price point, so maybe I am flogging a dead argument. I am not a fanboy, but Tobias Lindell and his distributor treated me well, the product worked fine, I made a CD, it sounds good. I will shut up now. I will grant you that and say the PSU in my original 4 space Aphex the original Lunchbox is far from robust and it never sounded bad, but when pushed hard my CAPI rack with DDA console PSU has more head room! I love it! There's no doubt that for the very best performance, you have to back up your signal chain with really strong power. With that rig, you have eliminated any possibility for doubt, ericn! Back when people used pencils a lot, a machinist friend of mine replaced the burnt out motor on his electric pencil sharpener with a kitchen mixer motor. It looked like Frankenstein on his bench, but that thing had torque for days. Never any doubt you were going to get a sharp point when you stuck a pencil in that sucker! Same philosophy, I think. In pro audio (and especially live sound) overkill is a good thing.
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Post by ericn on May 13, 2016 19:44:17 GMT -6
Well after Switching the DDA to a big old MIDAS XL PSU the DDA supply was just sitting there!
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Post by ericn on May 13, 2016 19:44:33 GMT -6
Well after Switching the DDA to a big old MIDAS XL PSU the DDA supply was just sitting there!
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Post by stratboy on May 13, 2016 19:46:59 GMT -6
I will grant you that and say the PSU in my original 4 space Aphex the original Lunchbox is far from robust and it never sounded bad, but when pushed hard my CAPI rack with DDA console PSU has more head room! And there in lies the rub. Headroom. I'll take excess headroom everytime. Yeah, me too. I do remember a time in my progression, not so long ago, when having a quality 2-buss meant more to me than a couple dB of headroom. Tradeoffs, ya know?
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Post by stratboy on May 13, 2016 19:49:30 GMT -6
Well after Switching the DDA to a big old MIDAS XL PSU the DDA supply was just sitting there! I'd say you put it to very good use! Looks like you ran into the same double post problem I had earlier in this thread. Tony had some good advice for me back there! 8)
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